Game Thread: New York Rangers(2) vs. Philadelphia Flyers(3) | ECQF

[Maverick426h]

I'm not at all blaming this game on Emery because he did luckily hold us in it for awhile, but we need Mason back asap or we're in trouble. The Rangers are like sharks smelling blood in the water when they see Emery in that net and rightfully so. He looks shaky as hell out there. It's terrible to watch.

Unless Emery finds his form, we start scoring 4-5 goals a game on Lundqvist or Mason returns healthy, we're going to have a difficult time winning any games.

 

[dspice07]

I'm not at all blaming this game on Emery because he did luckily hold us in it for awhile, but we need Mason back asap or we're in trouble. The Rangers are like sharks smelling blood in the water when they see Emery in that net and rightfully so. He looks shaky as hell out there. It's terrible to watch.

Unless Emery finds his form, we start scoring 4-5 goals a game on Lundqvist or Mason returns healthy, we're going to have a difficult time winning any games.

every shot seemed shaky, the rebounds just way too juicy

 

[Maverick426h]

every shot seemed shaky, the rebounds just way too juicy

I remember a particular shot attempt where he practically slid out of the net and he was so far off the angle that he must've left half of the net wide open on the other side. The shot was either blocked or wide, but still, that sort of shit should never happen to a starting goalie in the playoffs. It's embarrassing.

Right now, even Mason at 70-80% of normal is better than Emery at 100%. If we have to start him again, we'll probably pay for it next time.

 

[dspice07]

I remember a particular shot attempt where he practically slid out of the net and he was so far off the angle that he must've left half of the net wide open on the other side. The shot was either blocked or wide, but still, that sort of shit should never happen to a starting goalie in the playoffs. It's embarrassing.

Right now, even Mason at 70-80% of normal is better than Emery at 100%. If we have to start him again, we'll probably pay for it next time.

I remember the shot exactly, it his off of a Flyers leg and went to the corner but more than half the net was open to Emery's right side.

 

[stealth]

I remember the shot exactly, it his off of a Flyers leg and went to the corner but more than half the net was open to Emery's right side.

Emery always has been overrated, even if he has a ring, the number one problem that always has been for him is that he thinks he is a bad-ass even with his own teammates....no matter what team he is on. Obviously it hurts his play which in turn hurts his team

 

[Maverick426h]

Well, if we can get Mason healthy and back for game two, I do like our chances moving forward, but we're going to need to grind them a lot harder. Finish every check, get traffic in front, drive the net and get the ugly goals.

 

[stealth]

Well, if we can get Mason healthy and back for game two, I do like our chances moving forward, but we're going to need to grind them a lot harder. Finish every check, get traffic in front, drive the net and get the ugly goals.

Mason has potential to be a bad-ass, no doubt. The system doesnt benefit him or the skilled players Voracek and Giroux. Simmonds is good but he is looking for the call too much and if he relied on skill more than the physical game hw would be more of an asset to the the Flyers.

With AV coaching the Rangers he coaches from the strength of individual players knowing it helps the team. Berube is coaching way too physical and that historically has been Philly (From the Shero days)

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Mason has potential to be a bad-ass, no doubt. The system doesnt benefit him or the skilled players Voracek and Giroux. Simmonds is good but he is looking for the call too much and if he relied on skill more than the physical game hw would be more of an asset to the the Flyers.

With AV coaching the Rangers he coaches from the strength of individual players knowing it helps the team. Berube is coaching way too physical and that historically has been Philly (From the Shero days)

Perhaps Berube's decision to go all out dump & chase isn't optimal for the type of team he has. Granted it did seem to do a good job on McDonagh, it also bogged down the Flyers' offense. Maybe he needs to develop a strategy that plays to the strength of his team.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Mason has potential to be a bad-ass, no doubt. The system doesnt benefit him or the skilled players Voracek and Giroux. Simmonds is good but he is looking for the call too much and if he relied on skill more than the physical game hw would be more of an asset to the the Flyers.

With AV coaching the Rangers he coaches from the strength of individual players knowing it helps the team. Berube is coaching way too physical and that historically has been Philly (From the Shero days)

So 29 goals, 60-ish points and 15 power play goals isn't a decent asset to the team? You have to be kidding me with that

 

[Cobiemonster]

Perhaps Berube's decision to go all out dump & chase isn't optimal for the type of team he has. Granted it did seem to do a good job on McDonagh, it also bogged down the Flyers' offense. Maybe he needs to develop a strategy that plays to the strength of his team.

How did it bog down the Flyers offense? They did exactly what they should have been doing all game, and they quit doing it after that, it's not as if it bogged down the offense, they just flat out stopped playing and quit being aggressive, had nothing to do with getting tired, they didn't even get physical enough in the game for that to be the case

It's about being committed for a full game, if you can't be committed you can't win, simple as that

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

How did it bog down the Flyers offense? They did exactly what they should have been doing all game, and they quit doing it after that, it's not as if it bogged down the offense, they just flat out stopped playing and quit being aggressive, had nothing to do with getting tired, they didn't even get physical enough in the game for that to be the case

It's about being committed for a full game, if you can't be committed you can't win, simple as that

Other than MacDonald's goal, what did the Flyers do offensively? Even before Akeson's penalty the shots & scoring chances heavily favored the Rangers. Whatever game plan the Flyers were employing it only helped them to hang with the Rangers, not likely to have helped them to defeat the Rangers.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I guess it depends all on whether you think Glaude Giroux is better along the backboards fighting for loose pucks or if you think he's better working the slot (taking shots & setting up teammates). I personally think he's more effective doing the latter while dumping & chasing makes him do the former.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Other than MacDonald's goal, what did the Flyers do offensively? Even before Akeson's penalty the shots & scoring chances heavily favored the Rangers. Whatever game plan the Flyers were employing it only helped them to hang with the Rangers, not likely to have helped them to defeat the Rangers.

The Flyers sat back and quit being aggressive - what made them aggressive was plays like the one that led to their goal - they stopped doing that and that's why they lost, they didn't commit enough to it - you didn't see them be aggressive and hit the d-men after that, did you?

Trust me, I know - if they had kept playing like they did on that goal, the rest of the game, they could have gotten the game into OT at the very least - when you only have 15 shots on goal, that means you're not aggressive enough - Flyers didn't do the things the rest of the way that had helped them score that goal in the first period

 

[Cobiemonster]

I guess it depends all on whether you think Glaude Giroux is better along the backboards fighting for loose pucks or if you think he's better working the slot (taking shots & setting up teammates). I personally think he's more effective doing the latter while dumping & chasing makes him do the former.

Well if the guys around him would be more aggressive around the boards, it would help his game a little bit - although he needed to be much more aggressive as well

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

The Flyers sat back and quit being aggressive - what made them aggressive was plays like the one that led to their goal - they stopped doing that and that's why they lost, they didn't commit enough to it - you didn't see them be aggressive and hit the d-men after that, did you?

Trust me, I know - if they had kept playing like they did on that goal, the rest of the game, they could have gotten the game into OT at the very least - when you only have 15 shots on goal, that means you're not aggressive enough - Flyers didn't do the things the rest of the way that had helped them score that goal in the first period

Is dumping & chasing really their style of play tho (especially Giroux's)? Hard to be aggressive when you're playing outside of your comfort zone.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Well if the guys around him would be more aggressive around the boards, it would help his game a little bit - although he needed to be much more aggressive as well

I think you wear yourself out when you're asked to dump the puck deep into the other team's zone, race to the puck & fight for it along the boards with the likes of McDonagh & Girardi, and then retrieve the puck to setup teammates. I don't think what Berube is asking of Giroux is at all optimal. If Giroux has possession of the puck he should carry it in.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Is dumping & chasing really their style of play tho (especially Giroux's)? Hard to be aggressive when you're playing outside of your comfort zone.

But they haven't had any success in NY against the Rangers, you have to try different things and be committed when you try those things - one of the things they could do is spot G with some other guys, not permanently because then you give the impression that he can't do it against their top guys, but do it to give the Rangers a different look

And can you really deny that hitting McDonagh and being physical on that play led to the Flyers goal? It worked, you can't deny that and if you continue to play that way, you can win - players have to be able and willing to play different styles of play because there's going to be times when you need to alter your style in certain games in order to win

The Flyers got behind in so many of those games in MSG before that they had to be more aggressive early on and they were, but they got away from that and then that's how the Rangers got back in it - you have to be aggressive and force the Rangers to make dumb plays, the Flyers didn't do that as the game went on and you saw what happened

I just wish people would admit that how the Flyers got the one goal was how they should have been playing, whether it's their main style or not - players should be able to play different styles of play, that's how you become versatile - not every game is going to be the same, so you have mix it up sometimes, and the Flyers did that early but went away from it and became predictable again and the Rangers pounced

 

[Cobiemonster]

I think you wear yourself out when you're asked to dump the puck deep into the other team's zone, race to the puck & fight for it along the boards with the likes of McDonagh & Girardi, and then retrieve the puck to setup teammates. I don't think what Berube is asking of Giroux is at all optimal. If Giroux has possession of the puck he should carry it in.

Claude Giroux having possession of the puck and carrying it in against McDonagh and Girardi hasn't worked, so why not change it up? The linemates are at fault as well for not doing enough to help him - they have to work hard along the boards and give him a chance to have open space - that's why you dump the puck in behind them, so that you can get them to make a mistake and your board guys like Scott Hartnell can play along the boards and then give G an open chance because of McD/Girardi still being behind the net

The way they were doing it before, if G kept carrying it in against those guys, they'd eat it up quickly - you have to make adjustments

The same people who complain that the Flyers didn't make adjustments in previous games against the Rangers at MSG and wanted them to do so, now complain that the Flyers should have just stuck to their own game - can't have it both ways, sometimes you have to make adjustments - you can't always play your style no matter what people think - teams have game plans for what you're going to do and sometimes you have to adjust and give teams different looks so they have to think twice

I'm tired of answering and talking about the same crap - just want the Flyers to play much better and get a win in game 2 so this will go by the wayside

 

[dspice07]

Emery always has been overrated, even if he has a ring, the number one problem that always has been for him is that he thinks he is a bad-ass even with his own teammates....no matter what team he is on. Obviously it hurts his play which in turn hurts his team

Mason has potential to be a bad-ass, no doubt. The system doesnt benefit him or the skilled players Voracek and Giroux. Simmonds is good but he is looking for the call too much and if he relied on skill more than the physical game hw would be more of an asset to the the Flyers.

With AV coaching the Rangers he coaches from the strength of individual players knowing it helps the team. Berube is coaching way too physical and that historically has been Philly (From the Shero days)

hmm so I am just wondering here...do I want my goalie to be a "bad-ass" or not to be a "bad-ass". if he has potential to be a "bad-ass" i should probably like him....

i'm sorry i don't know what you are getting at in the first comment, he just played bad goal. i swear hockey fans in general refuse to move on. the flyers are still looked at as a dirty team with a broad street bully mentality when in fact they are just undisciplined. rinaldo's hit at the end of the year was the only incident this year. Ray Emery was a headcase almost 10 years ago, the Flyers organization doesnt put up with that kind of shit why would they bring him back to be a pain in the ass?

the second comment i don't know where to begin again other than the way that this league is I am surprised the Flyers don't beg for more calls. we are the only ones who don't, and definitely aren't getting any help. to get 1 penalty in that game is ridiculous, there should have been 3 calls on NY prior to the first penalty on Hall.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

And there should have 4 penalties on the Flyers before the high sticking major. What's your point? Calls were missed on both ends of the ice.