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[Shanemansj13]

He is most certainly not as good as Allen.

But my bet is that he gets more than Allen because he will sign a year later.

The market is already set and it has been since Dak/Patty signed

 

[tlance]

The market is already set and it has been since Dak/Patty signed

We shall see.

 

[Shanemansj13]

A question that I think about a lot is, does Allen succeed in Baker’s situation?

4 OC’s and 3 HC’s in 4 years. Benched at first and one of the best rookie years for a QB ever. 2nd year struggles under a new HC. 3rd year another new HC and no offseason. Allen had the same HC his whole career, I don’t he develops the same without the great support he’s had for all these years. Baker is now finally stable with a HC/OC. He must feel like a big weight is lifted off his shoulders. That’s why Baker went #1. I dont think Allen succeed’s under that pressure and failed support system IMO. That’s just how easy a QB can be out of the league in several years but I gotta give it to Baker for sticking through it. Baker deserves that contract just as much as these other two QB’s, maybe he gets a bit less than Allen but I doubt it.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

A question that I think about a lot is, does Allen succeed in Baker’s situation?

4 OC’s and 3 HC’s in 4 years. Benched at first and one of the best rookie years for a QB ever. 2nd year struggles under a new HC. 3rd year another new HC and no offseason. Allen had the same HC his whole career, I don’t he develops the same without the great support he’s had for all these years. Baker is now finally stable with a HC/OC. He must feel like a big weight is lifted off his shoulders. That’s why Baker went #1. I dont think Allen succeed’s under that pressure and failed support system IMO. That’s just how easy a QB can be out of the league in several years but I gotta give it to Baker for sticking through it. Baker deserves that contract just as much as these other two QB’s, maybe he gets a bit less than Allen but I doubt it.

Baker made it through possibly the most dysfunctional first two years a qb could possibly have in terms of staff overhaul and then the worst coach in nfl history.

I don't know if he's ever a top 5 elite type qb but in this system he doesn't have to be

 

[fightinfunbags]

Just my opinion, but I don’t think he will. He is certainly not as good as Allen.

He’s not but that doesn’t matter. He’ll use the Allen deal to negotiate something higher. It’s how the game is played. That’s why when you shake it all out, the QB position presents both the most value on contracts and the least value on contracts. Guys like Mahomes and Allen will make a tiny fraction more but the gap in talent is larger than what the next tier gets paid like Prescott and Mayfield.

 

[Black Adam]

He’s not but that doesn’t matter. He’ll use the Allen deal to negotiate something higher. It’s how the game is played. That’s why when you shake it all out, the QB position presents both the most value on contracts and the least value on contracts. Guys like Mahomes and Allen will make a tiny fraction more but the gap in talent is larger than what the next tier gets paid like Prescott and Mayfield.

yeah, this was pretty much my line of thinking yesterday...

guess we'll see, though...

 

[Shanemansj13]

He’s not but that doesn’t matter. He’ll use the Allen deal to negotiate something higher. It’s how the game is played. That’s why when you shake it all out, the QB position presents both the most value on contracts and the least value on contracts. Guys like Mahomes and Allen will make a tiny fraction more but the gap in talent is larger than what the next tier gets paid like Prescott and Mayfield.

Dak got paid (eventually). Patty got paid, as expected. Allen got paid. Baker and Lamar will get paid. Looking at Allen's deal it isn't as great as people think though (at least until the full details come out)....

It’s essentially a 3 year 100m deal.

The Bills have an out in 2025.

2026 - 2027, which count for $81m of the deal are essentially fake years. The deal is perfect for a restructure at the end of the contract and I expect Baker to be similar. I'm sure he isn't complaining but Mahomes is light years better (for obvious reasons). Haven't looked at Dak's contract.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Dak got paid (eventually). Patty got paid, as expected. Allen got paid. Baker and Lamar will get paid. Looking at Allen's deal it isn't as great as people think though (at least until the full details come out)....

It’s essentially a 3 year 100m deal.

The Bills have an out in 2025.

2026 - 2027, which count for $81m of the deal are essentially fake years. The deal is perfect for a restructure at the end of the contract and I expect Baker to be similar. I'm sure he isn't complaining but Mahomes is light years better (for obvious reasons). Haven't looked at Dak's contract.

The only dollars that matter are the guaranteed dollars and that seems to $151 million from what I’ve read.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[tlance]

That is wrong.

 

[DJ Fieri]

@trojanfan12 , @ChiefsLakers67 and a few others here know what I am preaching about. @mick7-1961, @tlance, @Gman, @gobucks0409 and some more.

 

[Black Adam]

@trojanfan12 , @ChiefsLakers67 and a few others here know what I am preaching about. @mick7-1961, @tlance, @Gman, @gobucks0409 and some more.

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sorry, man. wouldn't have a clue...

 

[DJ Fieri]

@trojanfan12 have you tried Popcorners? They are really good and healthier than tater chips.....

1-White cheddar is the best
2-Sea salt
3-Kettle corn

 

[trojanfan12]

@trojanfan12 have you tried Popcorners? They are really good and healthier than tater chips.....

1-White cheddar is the best
2-Sea salt
3-Kettle corn

Haven't heard of them. I'll have to keep an eye out.

 

[dtgold88]

mayfield will not get what Allen got, nor should he.

totally agree...unless he should and does.

 

[dtgold88]

i ain't so sure. i think this is EXACTLY what Mayfield had in mind. let's be real, franchise QB's don't grow on trees. i think he WILL get more than Allen, ESPECIALLY when you throw in his draft status...

If he does not sign and has a really good season he'll likely get as much or more than Allen (not because better but signed later). If he doesn't he wont IMO.

 

[dtgold88]

Just my opinion, but I don’t think he will. He is certainly not as good as Allen.

certainly not as good? I mean, Baker was better as a rookie. Neither all that good year 2 (Allen better). Both really good year 3 (Allen better again). Allen same coach, same system all 3 years. Baker new coach, new system all 3 years (the last with disjointed offseason).
Might he be better or even a lot better? sure...but might not.

 

[dtgold88]

He is most certainly not as good as Allen.

But my bet is that he gets more than Allen because he will sign a year later.

I mean, another opinion based as fact? Shocked, I tell you.

Maybe at least see what Baker does in his first season with same coach/system first? No excuses this year.....not that he made them last year even with good reason.

 

[dtgold88]

We shall see.

If he has another really good season what are you thinking he will get? Should get?

 

[dtgold88]

A question that I think about a lot is, does Allen succeed in Baker’s situation?

4 OC’s and 3 HC’s in 4 years. Benched at first and one of the best rookie years for a QB ever. 2nd year struggles under a new HC. 3rd year another new HC and no offseason. Allen had the same HC his whole career, I don’t he develops the same without the great support he’s had for all these years. Baker is now finally stable with a HC/OC. He must feel like a big weight is lifted off his shoulders. That’s why Baker went #1. I dont think Allen succeed’s under that pressure and failed support system IMO. That’s just how easy a QB can be out of the league in several years but I gotta give it to Baker for sticking through it. Baker deserves that contract just as much as these other two QB’s, maybe he gets a bit less than Allen but I doubt it.

While I don't agree with the notion a franchise can ruin a QB (which Browns were often accused of even though not true) I do believe he might not have the same success depending which team he goes to. Elite of elite are probably good no matter where. But not sure how good anyone would have been under Freddie. Would you argue Baker has been better every year than expected going back to his OU days?

Honestly, while I'm glad to have Baker instead it wont surprise me if Darnold has at least a solid season away from Gase/Jets.