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You mean you should deflect and change the subject because we are talking about baseball. You at least have the good sense to know that you don’t have a leg to stand on there and that’s why you pivoted to the Cavs.

So tell me this…which current Guardian was born in Ohio and is a transformational talent that will end his career as one of the top 5 baseball players to ever play the sport? When will he leave Cleveland to win a championship elsewhere and then come back to his home town to bring a title to the Guardians?
we are talking about our teams. You are trying to make fun of a team that happens to be doing really well TODAY by pivoting to the history of the team. Oh, the irony.

No idea to your questions. Can you tell me why it matters?
 

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The Phillies have no impact on the payroll in Cleveland and their inability to sign players once they’ve earned a payday.
They do not but it's a baseball discussion and we are comparing teams in this discussion. Divisions, too.

Jose Ramirez says hi, BTW.

Even saying that, if you think I'd stick up for the Dolans and their model overall that wont happen. Glad he's on his way out.
 

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I laugh at your style. I mean, you are attempting to go after one of the best stories in baseball because they far exceeded expectations but might not win the WS (and team hasn't for a while). In addition to your foolish NL vs. AL central "argument". Not sure what to call that "style". Factually incorrect?
What’s factually incorrect? The AL Central is the worst division in baseball. The Guardians are the tallest midget. How can something be “the best story in baseball” when no one outside of Guardians fans care? Do you know how disappointed networks would be if the Guardians make a run in the playoffs? No one will watch.
 

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we are talking about our teams. You are trying to make fun of a team that happens to be doing really well TODAY by pivoting to the history of the team. Oh, the irony.

No idea to your questions. Can you tell me why it matters?
I’m not making fun of anybody. I’m calling a spade a spade, Karen. The manager isn’t in right now. Please leave your contact info and when the manager arrives I’ll have him call you so you can formally issue your complaint about someone allegedly making fun of your baseball team.
 

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“Better end of the deal” - what you tell yourself when you haven’t won a World Series since 1948. I’m sorry. Isn’t winning a championship the goal of sports competition?
I usually would say our team got the "better end of a deal" when they...well.....get the better end of the deal.

Recently got all star Clase in a deal for Kluber. Would you say got better end? How about Quantrill, Naylor and Hedges for Clevinger? as well as Arias and Owen Miller. Better end so far?

Nothing left from the Bauer deal but at this point not sure the Reds got the better end.

could go back further with many more deals where we fleeced other teams if you'd like more. Can you think of many where the Tribe lost the deal?
 

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I usually would say our team got the "better end of a deal" when they...well.....get the better end of the deal.

Recently got all star Clase in a deal for Kluber. Would you say got better end? How about Quantrill, Naylor and Hedges for Clevinger? as well as Arias and Owen Miller. Better end so far?

Nothing left from the Bauer deal but at this point not sure the Reds got the better end.

could go back further with many more deals where we fleeced other teams if you'd like more. Can you think of many where the Tribe lost the deal?
Better end of the deal gets tempered when the primary objective is winning a championship and that doesn’t happen with this model. People like you focus on these small little marginal victories because real victories don’t exist.
 

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What’s factually incorrect? The AL Central is the worst division in baseball. The Guardians are the tallest midget. How can something be “the best story in baseball” when no one outside of Guardians fans care? Do you know how disappointed networks would be if the Guardians make a run in the playoffs? No one will watch.
If one division has a better record OUTSIDE their division than another division wouldn't it stand to reason the division with the worse record is not better?

That's cool and all, but Tito, Kwan and Ramirez could all be top 3 in MOTY, ROTY and MVP. Seriously, are you just trying to make yourself feel better in case your team in the great market slips up and stays home?
 

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What’s factually incorrect? The AL Central is the worst division in baseball. The Guardians are the tallest midget. -->How can something be “the best story in baseball”<-- when no one outside of Guardians fans care? Do you know how disappointed networks would be if the Guardians make a run in the playoffs? No one will watch.

They made history this season. From mlb-.com

Young Guardians make history with AL central title (9/25/22)

They are now the first team in AL/NL history to win a division or league title while seeing at least 16 rookies make their MLB debuts, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
 

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If one division has a better record OUTSIDE their division than another division wouldn't it stand to reason the division with the worse record is not better?

That's cool and all, but Tito, Kwan and Ramirez could all be top 3 in MOTY, ROTY and MVP. Seriously, are you just trying to make yourself feel better in case your team in the great market slips up and stays home?
My team has nothing to do with this conversation.
 

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They made history this season. From mlb-.com

Young Guardians make history with AL central title (9/25/22)

They are now the first team in AL/NL history to win a division or league title while seeing at least 16 rookies make their MLB debuts, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
Moral victories
 

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I’m not making fun of anybody. I’m calling a spade a spade, Karen. The manager isn’t in right now. Please leave your contact info and when the manager arrives I’ll have him call you so you can formally issue your complaint about someone allegedly making fun of your baseball team.
Karen? I mean, you are the one looking for reasons to be negative about something (or a team) that does not really deserve any negative comments. Yep......oh, the irony.

The manager comment I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I don't mind you complaining about my team. It's kind of amusing...especially the factually incorrect comments and coming after you crying about me predicting your bball team to finish 6th in the conference.
 

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Karen? I mean, you are the one looking for reasons to be negative about something (or a team) that does not really deserve any negative comments. Yep......oh, the irony.

The manager comment I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I don't mind you complaining about my team. It's kind of amusing...especially the factually incorrect comments and coming after you crying about me predicting your bball team to finish 6th in the conference.
I’m not complaining I’m pointing out that someone needs to win a division. That doesn’t make that team a great baseball team. It makes them the benefit of an opportunity that fell in their lap.
 

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Better end of the deal gets tempered when the primary objective is winning a championship and that doesn’t happen with this model. People like you focus on these small little marginal victories because real victories don’t exist.
Better end of the deal is the team who got the better end of a deal. Is this a conversation you think could go down after the season if Tribe does not win the WS?

Reporter - Do you regret trading Clase for Kluber and would you like to have him back?
Rangers - why would we, he didn't win a WS.

Ya gotta love this forum.
 

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I’m not complaining I’m pointing out that someone needs to win a division. That doesn’t make that team a great baseball team. It makes them the benefit of an opportunity that fell in their lap.
No doubt the division we were in helped. No one said otherwise. Though I did correctly point out as of now it is not the worst division in baseball.
 

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Better end of the deal is the team who got the better end of a deal. Is this a conversation you think could go down after the season if Tribe does not win the WS?

Reporter - Do you regret trading Clase for Kluber and would you like to have him back?
Rangers - why would we, he didn't win a WS.

Ya gotta love this forum.
My point is that fans usually focus on things like winning and losing in pursuit of a championship. When that isn’t available they pivot to the marginal. They celebrate steps that are supposed to lead to something greater. They celebrate these incremental little victories because there’s nothing else to celebrate.
 

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No doubt the division we were in helped. No one said otherwise. Though I did correctly point out as of now it is not the worst division in baseball.
No you did not.
 

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OK, but does not make your division comparison less factually incorrect.
No it does not. My team plays in the NL East. No one in their right mind would even bring up the NL East in a discussion of the worst divisions in baseball.
 

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My point is that fans usually focus on things like winning and losing in pursuit of a championship. When that isn’t available they pivot to the marginal. They celebrate steps that are supposed to lead to something greater. They celebrate these incremental little victories because there’s nothing else to celebrate.
That is the ultimate goal but you decided to discuss trades and for some reason cannot get youself to simply say the Tribe has been really good in these deals and come out on the better end of most.

me - Tribe comes out on top in most deals
you - no they don't
me - shows deals they came out on top
you - but they didn't win a title

I do hope you have help when you move the goal posts as they are heavy
 
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