NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[fightinfunbags]

Guardians are making the playoffs for the 5th time in 9 years. They have the 2nd best overall record in the American League over the last 10 years after the Yankees.

They dealt Lindor and got Gimenez and Rosario- good deal.

They dealt Clevinger and got Quintrell and Naylor and Hedges- good deal.

They dealt Kluber and got Clase - good deal.

What is the overall goal of competing in the playoffs in any sport? When was the last time Cleveland accomplished that goal?

 

[dtgold88]

its just funny.

When guys get too expensive they deal them and more often then not- really teh vast majority of the time- the Guardians get the better end of the deal.

The only really great player that they could not sign because of financial restrictions that they dealt away was Sabathia if you ask me- and at least they got a multi-time all star in Brantley for him.

I cannot think of many of these deals they lost. Really none come to mind. Truth be told, even if we had the money to spend I have no issue not wanting to pay a pitcher a megadeal as how often to those deals work out. Really cannot even blame them for not wanting to pay Lindor what he wanted.......and, of course, that deal looks like it worked out for us, as well. Not that I don't like Lindor, but I really wont mind if the Mets win it all for Carrasco. Hard not to like that guy.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Cannot imagine many gave this team a chance to even be .500 this year before the season (I didn't). Looked like the usual Dolan offseason and penny pinching ways. Clearly the FO was right to just let the kids play to see what they could do and many did not disappoint. They will be young, cheap fixtures in the lineup for a long time.

To do what they've done on a $60 million payroll compared to, say, the Cardinals' $140 mil payroll (with a division that is as weak or weaker) is pretty damn impressive IMO. Sure, could say that's the problem with ownership but, again, they were right to see what the youngsters could do as opposed to signing some overpaid, regressing guys on 1 year deals (or longer).....and, yes, not how I saw it before the season as I was ripping Dolan as I usually do.

There is no division weaker than the AL Central. Why do you keep saying this when this point has been defeated by myself and others numerous times? The Brewers are better than all the other teams in the AL Central. Give them an AL schedule where they catch some 76 games against abject slop with only 18-19 games against the only division in the AL that is any good and they likely win 90 games as well.

 

[dtgold88]

What is the overall goal of competing in the playoffs in any sport? When was the last time Cleveland accomplished that goal?

to win a title. 1948. Don't you have Google access?

 

[dtgold88]

There is no division weaker than the AL Central. Why do you keep saying this when this point has been defeated by myself and others numerous times? The Brewers are better than all the other teams in the AL Central. Give them an AL schedule where they catch some 76 games against abject slop with only 18-19 games against the only division in the AL that is any good and they likely win 90 games as well.

Yet somehow the AL Central has an overall better record than the NL Central. No one has defeated the argument even once let alone numerous times. I'm hoping you are aware each division will be .500 against each other. If you do understand that, and the AL Central has an overall better record, that means the AL Central has a better record OUTSIDE their division than the NL Central.

FYI, the WSox and Twins were actually looking OK until the Tribe ripped their hearts out this month and they gave up.

 

[Wamu]

This might be the worst example of complete over the top homerism ever on this site.

thread- minnesota rules the world of football

comment # 268

"And Football wouldn't but what it is if not for Minnesota"

fredsdeadfriend said that.



@dtgold88

Minnesota football >>>> Ohio State


@trojanfan12

Minnesota >>>> USC

@Heatles84

Minnesota >>>> The U

@fightinfunbags

Minnesota >>> > N.D.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Is a team with a payroll $100 mil+ more than theirs but not any better being aided by the market?

are you pre-crying in case Philly has to watch the Tribe in the playoffs? at least they would do so in a real market.

So sad. The Phillies have nothing to do with this conversation.

 

[dtgold88]

Outside of the poster who made the post being a Phillies fan what does that have to do with the substance of the post? The Phillies are the losingest franchise in the history of North American sports. They even have two WS titles since the Indians last WS championship during the Truman administration.

Should point out the Cavs have not had much success overall in the NBA yet have a title barely half a decade ago. Not the Truman Adm. but your last goes back to first Reagan Adm. correct? In such a great sports town?

 

[fightinfunbags]

That is only due to the owner and even in the 90's he paid players but overall it's an owner issue not willing to spend. It will take another couple years but once he has less control or is on his way out that will fix most of the problem. Still a small market team and until or if baseball sets a floor and a ceiling that issue will not get fixed. Replacing the owner would be a start for the franchise though.

Seems to be the same issue in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City, Detroit, Minnesota, etc…

 

[trojanfan12]

Cannot imagine many gave this team a chance to even be .500 this year before the season (I didn't). Looked like the usual Dolan offseason and penny pinching ways. Clearly the FO was right to just let the kids play to see what they could do and many did not disappoint. They will be young, cheap fixtures in the lineup for a long time.

To do what they've done on a $60 million payroll compared to, say, the Cardinals' $140 mil payroll (with a division that is as weak or weaker) is pretty damn impressive IMO. Sure, could say that's the problem with ownership but, again, they were right to see what the youngsters could do as opposed to signing some overpaid, regressing guys on 1 year deals (or longer).....and, yes, not how I saw it before the season as I was ripping Dolan as I usually do.

It will be interesting to see how Dolan plays it. He appears to be setting up similar to the Dodgers.

Has some good young players on the big team and a solid farm system. He can try to use prospects to trade for key veterans and his low payroll for FA's to fill holes.

At least maybe he'll do like the Marlins, Blue Jays, etc. and go all in to try for a World Series run before blowing it up.

 

[dtgold88]

So sad. The Phillies have nothing to do with this conversation.

It's a baseball discussion and the Phillies play baseball.

 

[trojanfan12]

This might be the worst example of complete over the top homerism ever on this site.

thread- minnesota rules the world of football

comment # 268

"And Football wouldn't but what it is if not for Minnesota"

fredsdeadfriend said that.



@dtgold88

Minnesota football >>>> Ohio State


@trojanfan12

Minnesota >>>> USC

@Heatles84

Minnesota >>>> The U

@fightinfunbags

Minnesota >>> > N.D.

lol @deadheadfred

 

[dtgold88]

Seems to be the same issue in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City, Detroit, Minnesota, etc…

I'd say worse in Pittsburgh as their owner wont spend AND their team is usually terrible.

 

[fightinfunbags]

its just funny.

When guys get too expensive they deal them and more often then not- really teh vast majority of the time- the Guardians get the better end of the deal.

The only really great player that they could not sign because of financial restrictions that they dealt away was Sabathia if you ask me- and at least they got a multi-time all star in Brantley for him.

“Better end of the deal” - what you tell yourself when you haven’t won a World Series since 1948. I’m sorry. Isn’t winning a championship the goal of sports competition?

 

[fightinfunbags]

to win a title. 1948. Don't you have Google access?

Of course I do. I asked a question I already knew the answer to in order to substantiate the point. Are you upset with my style or are you lashing out at years of futility?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Should point out the Cavs have not had much success overall in the NBA yet have a title barely half a decade ago. Not the Truman Adm. but your last goes back to first Reagan Adm. correct? In such a great sports town?

You mean you should deflect and change the subject because we are talking about baseball. You at least have the good sense to know that you don’t have a leg to stand on there and that’s why you pivoted to the Cavs.

So tell me this…which current Guardian was born in Ohio and is a transformational talent that will end his career as one of the top 5 baseball players to ever play the sport? When will he leave Cleveland to win a championship elsewhere and then come back to his home town to bring a title to the Guardians?

 

[dtgold88]

It will be interesting to see how Dolan plays it. He appears to be setting up similar to the Dodgers.

Has some good young players on the big team and a solid farm system. He can try to use prospects to trade for key veterans and his low payroll for FA's to fill holes.

At least maybe he'll do like the Marlins, Blue Jays, etc. and go all in to try for a World Series run before blowing it up.

I'd usually hope for the latter but wouldn't want him to spend just to spend. Also don't see this FO ever going that route. Granted, with some of these guys it's only been 1 year or barely more than that, but not sure who I'd want to sit or lose to bring in a FA or expensive guy in trade.

Seems like the OF could be set with young, cheap to very cheap guys in Kwan, Straw and Gonzalez (also have Brennan who just got called up). Ramirez, Gimenez and Naylor seem to be set in the IF and think the latter 2 will be cheap a little longer and a long time before FA. Could use someone to platoon with Naylor as a 1B/DH combo but also have young guys they can fill in there. Or if they don't want to go with a young guy at DH can use the DH like they have been lately as a "day off" for other vets. Question is what to do with Rosario. Kind of hope he might be someone we pay as he fits really well.....but also have a number of top prospects at SS/2B.

McKenzie and Quantrill still young and cost effective. Bieber due for huge bucks but think that is after the 2024 season. Civale young, cheap and a solid #4. I think they might move on from Plesac but the guys who have replaced him this year have done well....especially lately.

Bullpen stacked with young and cheap/controllable pitchers (other than Shaw who'd be cheap but not young...and not really good other than a vet influence). Is true never know what BP guys will do year to year.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It's a baseball discussion and the Phillies play baseball.

The Phillies have no impact on the payroll in Cleveland and their inability to sign players once they’ve earned a payday.

 

[dtgold88]

Of course I do. I asked a question I already knew the answer to in order to substantiate the point. Are you upset with my style or are you lashing out at years of futility?

I laugh at your style. I mean, you are attempting to go after one of the best stories in baseball because they far exceeded expectations but might not win the WS (and team hasn't for a while). In addition to your foolish NL vs. AL central "argument". Not sure what to call that "style". Factually incorrect?

 

[Wamu]

“Better end of the deal” - what you tell yourself when you haven’t won a World Series since 1948. I’m sorry. Isn’t winning a championship the goal of sports competition?

Not when dumbass Dolan owns the team. That fella is a jinx.