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[fightinfunbags]

if I have to choose between you and pro football focus- I will probably choose pro football focus, lol.

3. CLEVELAND BROWNS​

CB: Denzel Ward
CB: Greg Newsome II
NCB: Greedy Williams
S: John Johnson III
S: Grant Delpit

This unit not only has proven studs in Ward and Johnson, but also three ascending top-50 draft picks who have all played two or fewer NFL seasons. What this unit could be is scary to think about, as we already saw quality play from Newsome, Williams and Delpit down the stretch in 2021.

2022 NFL Defensive Secondary Rankings, by Unit​

RANK	TEAM	SCORE
1	Green Bay Packers	97
2	Buffalo Bills	94
3	Los Angeles Chargers	83
4	Cleveland Browns	83

NFL Secondary Rankings 2022-23: Bills the Class of the NFL

With so many talented quarterbacks and wide receivers in the NFL, secondary play is essential to defensive success. These rankings were challenging to compile

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#8: Cleveland Browns​

Starters: CB Denzel Ward, CB Greedy Williams, NB Greg Newsome II, FS John Johnson III, SS Grant Delpit

Key Additions: CB Martin Emerson

Key Departures: CB Troy Hill

Last season, Cleveland ranked first in PFF’s team coverage metric, and opposing quarterbacks had just a 71.8 passer rating when throwing at the Browns’ outside cornerbacks. Denzel Ward agreed to a well-deserved five-year, $100.5 million extension with $71.5 million guaranteed, making him the second-highest-paid cornerback in the league. Greedy Williams has been solid in coverage, while Greg Newsome II played excellent football in his rookie season. The level of success of those two made the Browns confident enough to move on from Troy Hill this offseason. John Johnson III wasn’t as good in his first season with the Browns as he was in his breakout contract year in LA, but he and Grant Delpit form a solid safety tandem. The level of success of those two made the Browns confident enough to move on from Troy Hill this offseason. Overall, this should be one of the better secondaries in the NFL once again.


@fightinfunbags take the L.......lol.

NFL Secondary Rankings 2023

FTN's Dan Fornek ranks all 32 NFL secondaries heading into the 2023 NFL season.

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4. Cleveland Browns

Like the teams ahead of them, the Cleveland defense features a lockdown CB1 (Denzel Ward) and solid complementary pieces around it. Ward generated 14 total forced incompletions and pass breakups and three interceptions last season in 534 snaps. 2021 rookie Greg Newsome and second-year corner Greedy Williams each tied for the team lead in forced incompletions (9)





Out of the first 4 that I saw---- they have the Browns secondary tied for 3rd, 4th, 4th, and 8th

but in closed practices the backups didnt do well in 7 on 7 for 3 days against the EAgles. SUPPOSEDLY....... LOL.

like I said- TAKE THE L and move on.

Ranking the NFL's secondaries

A few key secondary pieces are on new teams as training camps open. A few franchises strengthened already strong DB groups with draft or free agency additions. Here is how the NFL's secondaries stack up.

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2. Cleveland Browns

Featuring additions from both the John Dorsey and Andrew Berry regimes, the Browns boast a true CB1 (Denzel Ward) and depth around him. Cleveland has first-round corner Greg Newsome capable of playing outside and in the slot and ex-second-rounder Greedy Williams in the mix as well. The team can also throw a premier three-safety look that features John Johnson, Grant Delpit, and Ronnie Harrison. Delpit should have another level to reach after he missed his 2020 rookie year, and Johnson has shown more than what he put on tape last year. If only this team rostered a quarterback not ticketed for a multi-month suspension.

Top 10 NFL Defensive Secondary Rankings for 2022, by Positional Unit

Top 10 NFL Defensive Secondary Rankings for 2022, by Positional Unit!...

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6. Cleveland Browns​

Although some of the talent in Cleveland’s secondary is unproven, it is full of potential. The unit may reach a higher level if Greedy Williams can improve his performance or if Martin Emerson emerges.

Did you know that PFF doesn’t even have access to the All 22? How the fuck do you judge and grade secondary play when you don’t have the All 22?!?!?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Wife is browning the meat.....

Nachos for dinner!!!!!!!!!

 

[DJ Fieri]

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Did you know that PFF doesn’t even have access to the All 22? How the fuck do you judge and grade secondary play when you don’t have the All 22?!?!?

#Wiggyhuntinghogs is a troll.

 

[fightinfunbags]

#Wiggyhuntinghogs is a troll.

Browns 2021 results:
KC - 33 pts against - a real QB
Texans - 21 pts against - dogshit QB
Bears - 6 pts against - dogshit at QB
Vikings - 7 pts against - Kirk Cousins
Chargers - 47 pts against - a real QB
Cardinals - 37 pts against - a real QB
Denver - 14 pts against - dogshit at QB
Steelers - 15 pts against - a washed Big Ben
Bengals - 16 pts against - a real QB (best effort for the Browns defense all season)
Patriots - 45 pts against - a rookie that may be really good someday
Lions - 10 pts against - dogshit at QB
Ravens - 16 pts against - how do you feel about Lamar Jackson? Opinions will vary
Raiders - 16 pts against - how do you feel about Carr? Opinions will vary
Packers - 24 pts against - real QB
Steelers - 26 pts against - washed Big Ben
Bengals - 16 pts against - Burrow didn’t play.


That’s 31.5 pts a game vs the 5 QBs worth mentioning. If you want to add Lamar Jackson and Carr to the list it goes to 28 pts game.

Meh…

 

[bksballer89]

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Did you know that PFF doesn’t even have access to the All 22? How the fuck do you judge and grade secondary play when you don’t have the All 22?!?!?

Bucs above Saints is hilarious

 

[fightinfunbags]

Bucs above Saints is hilarious

People think they know but they don’t know. Even if these geeks who maxed out with the 135 pound team had access to the All 22 they don’t know the nuance of the coverage. In the NFL, a team may actually run double digit variations of something the know it alls would just call “cover 2” because they see two deep half safeties. But they sell that content to rubes and people crave the NFL coverage. They don’t even care if it’s quality.

 

[thunderc]

Browns a 3.5 pt favorite week 1 at Carolina? I may fly to Vegas if that number doesn’t change.

 

[bksballer89]

Browns a 3.5 pt favorite week 1 at Carolina? I may fly to Vegas if that number doesn’t change.

Already changed on fanduel.

They are now +1.5 dogs

 

[DJ Fieri]

Browns a 3.5 pt favorite week 1 at Carolina? I may fly to Vegas if that number doesn’t change.

Right?

Mayfield has won the job there and he is better than Brissett.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I'm good with he Corliss Valerian casting because he looks a so fucking cool with those white.dreads.....lol

But, it was so unnecessary.

All they needed to do is wait until Nettles pops up to give us a significant person of color.

What's the woke backlash about rings of power?

Did they go the diversity casting route as well?

I generally find this practice annoying.

But, there are certain actors that are worthy of gender/race changes.

Samuel L is so good as Nick Fury that they actually changed the character in the comics to look like him.

Giancarlo Esposito is one of the best actors of the last 2 decades.

Dude is being cast as Magneto in the X-Men reboot and even the toxic Dude-bro, anti-woke fanboys are all in on that shit.

Ditto for Jeffrey Wright as Commissioner Gordon.

But, they are exceptions for me.

Just doing that shit for the sake of avoiding the " This show is to white" cancel culture is fucking insulting, if its not a choice that's beneficial to the story.

I like the Corlys Velaryon casting!!! I think that was cool

 

[bksballer89]

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lordy.....

Yeah, I'm in....lol

Couple of things that stood out to me...

The Main characters all seem like an amalgamation of 2 different GOT characters.

Viserys is obviously Ned Stark/Robert Bar rat he on

Rhaenyra is Danny/Arya

Daemon -Oberon Martell/Stannis

Otto Hightower- Little Finger/Tywin Lanister

Alicent -Cersei/Sansa

Also, why am I getting romance vibes between Alice t and Rhaenyra?

I like a lot of your comparisons.

Now I have read fire and blood......

Rhaenyra is right on

I like the Otto Hightower comparisons

I like the Alicent comparison

Daemon def has Oberon- but a lot of Jaime Lannister as well.

Alicent is not who you need to worry about to have romantic vibes with Rhaenyra

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I'm good with he Corliss Valerian casting because he looks a so fucking cool with those white.dreads.....lol

But, it was so unnecessary.

All they needed to do is wait until Nettles pops up to give us a significant person of color.

What's the woke backlash about rings of power?

Did they go the diversity casting route as well?

I generally find this practice annoying.

But, there are certain actors that are worthy of gender/race changes.

Samuel L is so good as Nick Fury that they actually changed the character in the comics to look like him.

Giancarlo Esposito is one of the best actors of the last 2 decades.

Dude is being cast as Magneto in the X-Men reboot and even the toxic Dude-bro, anti-woke fanboys are all in on that shit.

Ditto for Jeffrey Wright as Commissioner Gordon.

But, they are exceptions for me.

Just doing that shit for the sake of avoiding the " This show is to white" cancel culture is fucking insulting, if its not a choice that's beneficial to the story.

For the most part I don't take issue with making the cast more diverse. I think Witcher was one that annoyed me because both main bad guys and both main love interests were changed very drastically from their appearance in the game but I love the actress they chose for Yennefer and they totally nailed Geralt and Ciri so it's a trade off.

I've moreso found myself aggravated with having sexuality jammed down our throat with seemingly every show having an exceptional amount of homosexuality. I don't mind a gay character or two but when you take a show like Lovecraft which is already a very diverse show (true to the story of course) and then have every character of note but the main couple have gay tendencies or be outright gay it's like.... come on man. Everyone isn't gay. This isn't some neighborhood in SF we are depicting.

 

[WiggyRuss]

For the most part I don't take issue with making the cast more diverse. I think Witcher was one that annoyed me because both main bad guys and both main love interests were changed very drastically from their appearance in the game but I love the actress they chose for Yennefer and they totally nailed Geralt and Ciri so it's a trade off.

I've moreso found myself aggravated with having sexuality jammed down our throat with seemingly every show having an exceptional amount of homosexuality. I don't mind a gay character or two but when you take a show like Lovecraft which is already a very diverse show (true to the story of course) and then have every character of note but the main couple have gay tendencies or be outright gay it's like.... come on man. Everyone isn't gay. This isn't some neighborhood in SF we are depicting.

yah the Triss casting was brutal.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

yah the Triss casting was brutal.

She was the worst. Her character is also way underdeveloped. But overall I like the show. I just think they missed an opportunity to play on the whole love triangle aspect there. It's a huge part of the base story.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

For the most part I don't take issue with making the cast more diverse. I think Witcher was one that annoyed me because both main bad guys and both main love interests were changed very drastically from their appearance in the game but I love the actress they chose for Yennefer and they totally nailed Geralt and Ciri so it's a trade off.

I've moreso found myself aggravated with having sexuality jammed down our throat with seemingly every show having an exceptional amount of homosexuality. I don't mind a gay character or two but when you take a show like Lovecraft which is already a very diverse show (true to the story of course) and then have every character of note but the main couple have gay tendencies or be outright gay it's like.... come on man. Everyone isn't gay. This isn't some neighborhood in SF we are depicting.

Agree.

Its so ridiculous.

I get the need for representation.

But, let the shit be organic if its an original story and just stay true to the character if its based on a book or the comics.

Disney is a great example of getting it right and getting it needlesly wrong.

They did a fantastic job acknowledging Loki's bisexuality on his Disney plus show.

But, they fucked it all to hell in Light year and the Eternals.

One of the best portrayal's of a truly awesome Gay Character was on the show Banshee.

Job was a poc and flaaaaaaaaaming hot gay.

But, he was written and the actor played the part in such a way that you barely even recognize that he is a goddamn Asian Dude, dressed like a Geisha girl, or a contestant on Ru Paul's drag race in every single episode.

It was so organic and he was such a badass that he's usually everyone who watches the show's favorite character.

That's how you do mainstream gay. It enhanced his character, it wasn't just crammed In there for shits and giggles.

 

[WiggyRuss]

She was the worst. Her character is also way underdeveloped. But overall I like the show. I just think they missed an opportunity to play on the whole love triangle aspect there. It's a huge part of the base story.

totally.......

I agree though I do like teh show overall--- i actually liked the first season more than the 2nd- i thought the first season was great.

Yennefer was casted well- that actress is gorgeous too.

Did you play Witcher 3? Great great game.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Agree.

Its so ridiculous.

I get the need for representation.

But, let the shit be organic if its an original story and just stay true to the character if its based on a book or the comics.

Disney is a great example of getting it right and getting it needlesly wrong.

They did a fantastic job acknowledging Loki's bisexuality on his Disney plus show.

But, they fucked it all to hell in Light year and the Eternals.

One of the best portrayal's of a truly awesome Gay Character was on the show Banshee.

Job was a poc and flaaaaaaaaaming hot gay.

But, he was written and the actor played the part in such a way that you barely even recognize that he is a goddamn Asian Dude, dressed like a Geisha girl, or a contestant on Ru Paul's drag race in every single episode.

It was so organic and he was such a badass that he's usually everyone who watches the show's favorite character.

That's how you do mainstream gay. It enhanced his character, it wasn't just crammed In there for shits and giggles.

Watchman was an HBO show where they had a great diverse cast and dealt with a lot of issues in great ways.

I recently re-watched it while I was sick last week. SOOOO good.

 

[WiggyRuss]

She was the worst. Her character is also way underdeveloped. But overall I like the show. I just think they missed an opportunity to play on the whole love triangle aspect there. It's a huge part of the base story.

She basically turns on Ciri at the end of season 2 which makes ZERO sense.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Watchman was an HBO show where they had a great diverse cast and dealt with a lot of issues in great ways.

I recently re-watched it while I was sick last week. SOOOO good.

Watchmen was another great limited Series by HBO.

Regina King, Yahya, Jean Smart, Tim Nelson, Don Johnson, Louis Gossett Jr and the great Jeremy Irons....

Chef's kiss to those perfect castings.