NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[shopson67]

Check your sarcasm meter. I think it’s on the fritz. Dtgold has said multiple times that I and others have an anti-Cleveland agenda so now I’m just embracing it. Later today I’m starting my crusade against popcorn balls and Pierogies.

Can you widen your scope to include Cinci? Skyline chili is a travesty and should be killed with fire.

Oh, and don't picket the Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse until this winter, I have tickets for Pumpkins & Jane's in October lol.

 

[Wamu]

 

[WiggyRuss]

this opinion is pretty wild.....you want to know the wildest part to me?

So......you would think that the judge - Sue Robinson- is the one who determines what actually is sexual assault.

Not true.

The NFL does not have a definition of what sexual assault is in their rule book. In the proceeding- the NFL offers a definition of sexual assault. Sue Robinson says in her opinion she thinks that their definition is too broad (she says something about scope)- but she is bound to adhere to what their definition is- that was never set down in writing before the hearing.

So- basically- the NFL has no definition of sexual assault. Is trying to prove it occured- so they get to make up their own definition of what it is for this specific hearing- Sue Robinson says its a bad definition- but she is bound to adhere to it.

Its like a student making up his own calculus test 5 minutes before test time and putting every single questions as 2+2= ?

just crazy.

 

[WiggyRuss]

if you are the prosecutor trying to prove sexual assault- and you get to make up your own definition on the fly of what sexual assault is and the judge has to follow it even if the judge thinks its nota correct definition- what the heck is gonna happen? lol.......

 

[dtgold88]

this opinion is pretty wild.....you want to know the wildest part to me?

So......you would think that the judge - Sue Robinson- is the one who determines what actually is sexual assault.

Not true.

The NFL does not have a definition of what sexual assault is in their rule book. In the proceeding- the NFL offers a definition of sexual assault. Sue Robinson says in her opinion she thinks that their definition is too broad (she says something about scope)- but she is bound to adhere to what their definition is- that was never set down in writing before the hearing.

So- basically- the NFL has no definition of sexual assault. Is trying to prove it occured- so they get to make up their own definition of what it is for this specific hearing- Sue Robinson says its a bad definition- but she is bound to adhere to it.

Its like a student making up his own calculus test 5 minutes before test time and putting every single questions as 2+2= ?

just crazy.

Curious where ya got this info.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You have my position flipped. Trevor Bauer should not have received another 2 year ban.

Sure that discipline was ridiculous but it seems like everyone in their mom thinks 6 is too low. You think 6 is fine?

 

[Shanemansj13]

He is going to get a record contract for a closer and it wasn’t going to be from them I guess.

Yeah my line of thinking too. He is gonna make crazy money, a contending team can pay for 60 games + playoffs for him or end up signing him long-term. Brewers get something for him at least.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Curious where ya got this info.

its right in the opnion.

its basically like saying--- hey want this judge to grade if I am fat or not--- but I get to make the paramters of what fat is and I think you are not fat unless you are over 300 lbs.

now the jduge might think you are a fatass at 280 lbs- but the judge is bound to use your defnition of fat.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Curious where ya got this info.

Deshaun Watson’s 6-game suspension: Read Sue L. Robinson’s 16-page ruling here

Former federal judge Sue L. Robinson

www.cleveland.com

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Policy is unilaterally imposed by the NFL and is intended to provide guidance on the NFL’s “expectations and standards of conduct.”3 According to the Policy, “[p]layers convicted of a crime or subject to a disposition of a criminal proceeding . . . are subject to discipline. But even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline. Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:” (1) “Actual or threatened physical violence against another person;” (2) “Assault and/or battery, including sexual assault;” (3) “Violent or threatening behavior toward another employee or a third party in any workplace setting;” (4) “Stalking, harassment, or similar forms of intimidation;” (5) “Illegal possession of a gun or other weapon;” (6) “Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;” (7) “Possession, use, or distribution o2 steroids or other performance enhancing substances;” (8) “Crimes involving cruelty to animals as defined by state or federal law;” (9) “Crimes of dishonesty such as blackmail, extortion, fraud, money laundering, or racketeering;” (10) “Theft related crimes;” (11) “Disorderly conduct;” (12) “Crimes against law enforcement;” (13) “Conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person;” and (14) “Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL.”4 None of these examples of prohibited conduct is explained or defined by the NFL in the Policy or the CBA. For those involving crimes defined by state or federal law, of course, there is no need to. For the remainder, the NFL is left to provide its own definition of the conduct

As noted above, the conduct of “sexual assault” is not defined in the CBA, the Policy, or the Report. On behalf of the NFL, one of its investigators defined the term at the evidentiary hearing as the “unwanted sexual contact with another person.”15 The NFL contends that Mr. Watson committed sexual assault by allegedly “touching [his] penis to the women without their consent.”16 As it is the NFL’s prerogative to impose the Policy on its players, I am bound to accept the NFL’s definition of sexual assau

 

[dtgold88]

I read the Judge's decision.

Some parts are just crazy.

Basically- the NFL gets to define what bad conduct was and I cant disagree with them even though what they decide is bad conduct is giant in its scope and they try and change the parameters after the fact.

its a wild decison......basically says Watson was scummy- but the NFL is incompetent and trying to shove an uprecedented penalty down watsons throat for unviolent ocnduct.

Just saw it...you described it pretty well.

 

[thunderc]

Yankees got Montas from the A’s

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yankees got Montas from the A’s

The rich get richer. Going for the WS this year

 

[DJ Fieri]

 

[DJ Fieri]

He is going to get a record contract for a closer and it wasn’t going to be from them I guess.

Yeah....small market teams can't compete with the big boys.

 

[thunderc]

Yeah....small market teams can't compete with the big boys.

But they can still win, one of the few things I still like about baseball.

 

[DJ Fieri]

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You have my position flipped. Trevor Bauer should not have received another 2 year ban.

Bauer got set up in a way. That said he's into some crazy shit.

To each his own I guess but hopefully other players take notice and don't get suckered into anything like that. But dude..... kinda fucked up what he's into.

 

[trojanfan12]

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The problem with the weed suspension has nothing to do with Watson's suspension. The problem with the weed suspension is that it's stupid that the league suspends players for weed. Even then, let's not pretend Josh Gordon was suspended 25+ games for 1 offense. He was suspended 6 times and his last suspension was because he failed to complete the terms of his reinstatement agreement from a previous suspension.

So, even if marijuana suspensions are stupid...end of the day, Josh Gordons biggest problem has been Josh Gordon.

And gambling? Seriously? The number one rule in any pro sports league is players, coaches, etc. aren't allowed to bet on their leagues games. They all depend on people believing the games are legit. You're an NBA fan, how often do you see people saying the NBA is fixed? All because of Donaghy.

The only reason Ridley wasn't given a much, much longer suspension is because he didn't bet a lot and he didn't bet on his teams games.

Watson is creepy, a scumbag and needs help. But at the end of the day...he wasn't charged with a crime, let alone convicted and the NFL isn't going to have to wait for 30 civil suits to go through the courts.

Josh Gordon and Calvin Ridley's issues don't have the ''ick factor'' that Watson's issue does...but fair or not, right or wrong...the NFL can weather Watson's issue much more easily than it could people believing the games are fixed or that it has a rampant drug problem.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yankees got Montas from the A’s

the price was high but not as high as I expected.

I think the jewels of the package were 2 players- Medina and Waldichuck are both 50 FV prospects.

if anyone does not know- the MLB scouting rankings scale is on a 20-80 scale. 50 represents a major league average player.

just for some perspective--- before the season started - there was 1 70FV player in the minors- Adley Reutschman on the Orioles.

Prospects #2 through #15 were 65 or 60 FV

Prospects 16-32 were 55 FV

so there are only 32 prospects at hte beginning of the year that had an FV over 50........so 50 is a pretty damn good prospect.

in Fangraphs history they have only had 1 FV 80 player. Can anyone guess?