My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[DJ Fieri]

DJ has a 56 inch vertical and he never misses a 3

Um, maybe a 4-5 inch vertical. Mainly an outside shooter when I'm not passing the ball.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I wasn’t insinuating anything like that, but now I’m skeptical with the 5-11.

5-10 3/4 is closer to 5-11 than 5-10.

I rounded up.

 

[tlance]

Um, maybe a 4-5 inch vertical. Mainly an outside shooter when I'm not passing the ball.

Are you saying my opinion might not be correct?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Are you saying my opinion might not be correct?

Might not be. Correct.

I would have loved to been that kind of freakish athlete but sadly I wasn't. I was alright because of the hard work I put in and knowing my limitations and not trying to do too much.

But, 56 inch vertical? Not even in my fucking dreams.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I would be skeptical based on his diet alone.

And just for the record........I haven't always eaten like this.

Gotten soft in my old(er) age. Enjoying the good life....

 

[DJ Fieri]

Just had 4 Otis Spunkmeyer double chocolate cookies I heated up in the oven....

Probably perfect timing for this post.

 

[Wamu]

Just had 4 Otis Spunkmeyer double chocolate cookies I heated up in the oven....

Probably perfect timing for this post.

Only four?

 

[tlance]

Might not be. Correct.

I would have loved to been that kind of freakish athlete but sadly I wasn't. I was alright because of the hard work I put in and knowing my limitations and not trying to do too much.

But, 56 inch vertical? Not even in my fucking dreams.

I must have gotten confused.

56 inch or 5-6 inch?

Easy mistake to make

 

[Think McFly Think]

And just for the record........I haven't always eaten like this.

Gotten soft in my old(er) age. Enjoying the good life....

Like I said wasn’t knocking you at all, most of the time when you post what you’re having I usually think “damn that sounds good”

 

[Think McFly Think]

5-6 inch?

Zach Randolph ups.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Like I said wasn’t knocking you at all, most of the time when you post what you’re having I usually think “damn that sounds good”

I know.....LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I must have gotten confused.

56 inch or 5-6 inch?

Easy mistake to make

LMAO.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Only four?

They were some small ass cookies when I took them out of the freezer.....Bought them from wife's sister's nieces kids......school fundraiser.

Forgot we had them till I looked in the deep freezer earlier....

 

[Wamu]

They were some small ass cookies when I took them out of the freezer.....Bought them from wife's sister's nieces kids......school fundraiser.

Forgot we had them till I looked in the deep freezer earlier....

Helping out school fundraising is always a good thing.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Helping out school fundraising is always a good thing.

It's for the chil'ren and not those delicious cookies.....that's what I tell myself every time I eat them.

 

[trojanfan12]

It's for the chil'ren and not those delicious cookies.....that's what I tell myself every time I eat them.

Pretty sure when you're doing it for the kids...it cancels out the calories.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Pretty sure when you're doing it for the kids...it cancels out the calories.

This is brilliant, gotta remember this one.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

You give yourself too much credit.



By the time MJ and the Bulls started winning titles...the Showtime Lakers, Bird Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons runs were all over. MJ and his Bulls couldn't beat them in their primes. The talent was spread further around the league...the competition he faced in both the East and the finals was stronger than what Lebron has faced.

Ftr, I had Magic and MJ as a sort of 1a/1b in the GOAT convo for years and refused to move Lebron higher than 4th (had Kareem ahead of him too)...but Lebron has surpassed all 3 at this point. Hell, the man is 75 years old and still playing at an all star level. lol

All-NBA players in the East during the Bulls six title runs: 36, excluding Jordan or any teammate.

All-NBA players in the East during LeBron's 8 consecutive Finals trips: 25, excluding LeBron or any teammate.

50 win teams Bulls defeated in six title runs within their own conference: 10 out of 18 (54%)
Finals included: 16 of 24 (67%)

50 win teams Heat/Cavs defeated in their own conference from 2011-18: 11 out of 24 (46%)
Finals included: 14 of 32 (43%)

So fewer Finals runs for Jordan, yet more 50-win teams beaten while also having more All-NBA players within his own conference.

The losses to Dallas in 2011 and San Antonio in 2014 are the ultimate competition excuse killers for LeBron. Dallas was a geriatric jump-shooting team with one Top 10 player. San Antonio was a geriatric jump-shooting team with zero star players. In both cases, LeBron had a super team in his prime.

 

[Wamu]

All-NBA players in the East during the Bulls six title runs: 36, excluding Jordan or any teammate.

All-NBA players in the East during LeBron's 8 consecutive Finals trips: 25, excluding LeBron or any teammate.

50 win teams Bulls defeated in six title runs within their own conference: 10 out of 18 (54%)
Finals included: 16 of 24 (67%)

50 win teams Heat/Cavs defeated in their own conference from 2011-18: 11 out of 24 (46%)
Finals included: 14 of 32 (43%)

So fewer Finals runs for Jordan, yet more 50-win teams beaten while also facing more All-NBA players within his own conference.

The losses to Dallas in 2011 and San Antonio in 2014 are the ultimate competition excuse killers for LeBron. Dallas was a geriatric jump-shooting team with one Top 10 player. San Antonio was a geriatric jump-shooting team with zero star players. In both cases, LeBron had a super team in his prime.

If this has already been mentioned my bad. Number of hall of famers MJ and LeBron played against in the Finals.

Jordan- Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Drexler, Barkley, Payton, Stockton & Malone

LeBron- Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Leonard (Kawhi's not there yet but he'll be in), Dirk, Kidd, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Steph, Klay, Dray, KD, J. Butler


Says a lot about LeBron's unmatched career that the only player he's ever compared to is His Airness.

 

[tlance]

All-NBA players in the East during the Bulls six title runs: 36, excluding Jordan or any teammate.

All-NBA players in the East during LeBron's 8 consecutive Finals trips: 25, excluding LeBron or any teammate.

50 win teams Bulls defeated in six title runs within their own conference: 10 out of 18 (54%)
Finals included: 16 of 24 (67%)

50 win teams Heat/Cavs defeated in their own conference from 2011-18: 11 out of 24 (46%)
Finals included: 14 of 32 (43%)

So fewer Finals runs for Jordan, yet more 50-win teams beaten while also having more All-NBA players within his own conference.

The losses to Dallas in 2011 and San Antonio in 2014 are the ultimate competition excuse killers for LeBron. Dallas was a geriatric jump-shooting team with one Top 10 player. San Antonio was a geriatric jump-shooting team with zero star players. In both cases, LeBron had a super team in his prime.

You data is wrong

All finals opponents for LeBron were 50 win teams except the Thunder.

And that was the lockout year. So the league only played 66 games. Winning 47 out of 66 is easily better than 50 win pace.

So try again.

Not even going to look at the rest with such an obvious mistake in your numbers.