Michigan bit with the Alabama and OSU career ending injury bug

[TrustMeIamRight]

Only point you proved is that you're clueless. Does your retardrant include Bama 2007 recruit Chris Lett. A player who was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes before he ever made it to campus.and never got to play a down yet got a medical scholarship?

Bino. Stick to rainbows.

 

[Bamabino]

Bino. Stick to rainbows.

I SHO' will ThrustMe. Rainbow is, as rainbow does.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I SHO' will ThrustMe. Rainbow is, as rainbow does.

Nick Saban Tries and Fails To Defend Oversigning at Alabama

If u can read, feel free. Or maybe your parents can reads it to you.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I SHO' will ThrustMe. Rainbow is, as rainbow does.

FYI. Still not funny. Props for trying though.

 

[Bamabino]

Nick Saban Tries and Fails To Defend Oversigning at Alabama

If u can read, feel free. Or maybe your parents can reads it to you.

Wrong again ThrustMe.Yet another bullshit article. Once again, who are these 12 players?

 

[Bamabino]

<crickets>

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Wrong again ThrustMe.Yet another bullshit article. Once again, who are these 12 players?

Haha. Bullshit articles. Players misquoted by the WSJ. Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Conclusion - Nick Saban is a horrible person, Jim Harbaugh is awesome.

 

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Maybe you should keep up with the entire conversation. This only started as they said Harbaugh was being shady and bending rules. I made the statement that every coach at a top program will push the boundaries of the rules and every coach is cut throat and shady -- OSU fans argued Meyer was a disciplinarian and doesn't need to do that type of stuff. Saban fans said he doesn't need to do that type of stuff, even when it was pointed out they named a recruiting rule after Saban, they think he did nothing wrong. Career ending injuries -- all justified and not bending rules.
I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of it all and watch them come up with new excuses.

I've kept up. People were making fun of Jimbo for sleeping with 17-18 year old boys, climbing tree's, offering jobs to parents/coaches, etc. In a desperate attempt to justify his recruiting methods, you tried to compare it to practices of two coach's who have won multiple national championships, with multiple teams.

Speaking of Saban having recruiting rules named after him...... Fulmer has a sticky on the Hoop

 

[socaljim242]

Here are the facts:

1. You don't have to give a kid a medical scholarship to kick them off the team. Scholarships have to be renewed every year.

2. The Shula years were notably marked for having seasons ruined by injury. Every fucking year it happened. We'd lose players almost every game it seemed like. He still gets shit to this day for having Prothro in the Florida game when he was injured.

3. Alabama currently has a S&C program that is considered one of the best in the country, if not the best. That was not the case prior to 2008.

4. Alabama does currently have the best sports medical program in the country when it comes to injury recovery and prevention. We rarely suffer injuries anymore, and when we do suffer them - the kids are coming back in record times. Many times these are injuries that in the past would have been career enders.

5. We still lose kids to injury, but they are still good enough after they recover to play for lower level teams. Dee Hart is a good example of that at Colorado St. Kid was 5 star RB coming out of highschool, but kept having injuries. Due to his injuries he was passed up on the depth chart, so he ended up transferring to Colorado St. As I already mentioned - how well a kid comes back from injury is a relative to the team.

But you can keep claiming whatever you want. I'll debunk your bullshit and then just quit responding to you completely like I did before until you make yet another thread about it, or until the mods get tired of your shit and start moving them to the Michigan board where they belong.

Yeah you do. How else do you put it when a kid who hasn't finished his eligibility suddenly is no longer on the roster? I've never seen "scholarship not renewed" and that's it. You have to give some sort of a reason. Lets not be naive. Medical hardship 90% of time time means a kid who most likely wasn't recruited by the current coach ,wont play, probably has never played, is using up a spot that the coaches have determined can be used better . Usually the most ruthless coaches are the more successful and they are given a pass the first couple years at a new program. It is what it is. Like bama fan pointed out if the team wasn't as good the player would probably be kept on the roster.It's the dirty part of college football that goes on that nobody wants to hear about .

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I've kept up. People were making fun of Jimbo for sleeping with 17-18 year old boys, climbing tree's, offering jobs to parents/coaches, etc. In a desperate attempt to justify his recruiting methods, you tried to compare it to practices of two coach's who have won multiple national championships, with multiple teams.

Speaking of Saban having recruiting rules named after him...... Fulmer has a sticky on the Hoop

It has nothing to do with recruiting antics. We've had that discussion too, as Saban has danced on command for a recruit, landed a helicopter on a high school field, dabbed with a recruit, etc.

This discussion started when they said Harbaugh's sattelite camps, etc were shady and he was pushing the boundary of the rules.

I pointed out multiple ways how Meyer and Saban have not only bent rules but bent them to the point a new rule was named after Saban.

It isnt like Meyer invented the wheel with medical hardships. He is following Saban's blue print from when he took over Bama. The reason the injuries cut down drastically after the first 3-4 years. The players on the team are now players they recruited. The fact their fan bases are justifying it by saying Bama players get injured more or OSU players saying it is just a coincidence that Tressel had 4 in 10 years, yet Meyer has given out 13 in 3 years -- is absolutely hilarious.

The depth on these teams are gained by top recruiting classes and getting rid of recruits who don't pan out. I guess it is only a secret to Bama and OSU fans.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah you do. How else do you put it when a kid who hasn't finished his eligibility suddenly is no longer on the roster? I've never seen "scholarship not renewed" and that's it. You have to give some sort of a reason. Lets not be naive. Medical hardship 90% of time time means a kid who most likely wasn't recruited by the current coach ,wont play, probably has never played, is using up a spot that the coaches have determined can be used better . Usually the most ruthless coaches are the more successful and they are given a pass the first couple years at a new program. It is what it is. Like bama fan pointed out if the team wasn't as good the player would probably be kept on the roster.It's the dirty part of college football that goes on that nobody wants to hear about .

Hey. Another college football fan who actually gets it. While humorous to listen to OSU and Bama fans make excuses for their coaches -- the reality is this. Player doesn't fit, team needs a roster spot, here is a scholarship to go away -- you have a "career ending injury" now, but you get a degree for your troubles.

Just a hint -- the two guys who "medically retired" from UM didn't have a career ending injury, but we now have two roster spots opened up. And two guys who weren't going to see the field now get a college degree. See how that works.

Quit being ignorant and open your eyes. Athletes don't get hurt more at your schools. Your coaches are just more willing to use a loop hole to open roster spots, as medical evaluations are subjective and no one can question them. That is why OSUNDAY can say Jamel Dean can't play football, but after a little bit he is practicing with Auburn.

 

[Across The Field]

Quit being ignorant and open your eyes. Athletes don't get hurt more at your schools. Your coaches are just more willing to use a loop hole to open roster spots, as medical evaluations are subjective and no one can question them. That is why OSUNDAY can say Jamel Dean can't play football, but after a little bit he is practicing with Auburn.

So, Urban gave the boot to a kid he recruited himself who hadn't even played a down at OSU, simply so he could replace him with a lower-rated kid at the last second?

 

[Wamu]

Finally, you say something that makes sense.

Only you would take that sarcastic comment seriously.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So, Urban gave the boot to a kid he recruited himself who hadn't even played a down at OSU, simply so he could replace him with a lower-rated kid at the last second?

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I used Dean as an example of how doctor's opinion are subjective, as the nations top sports doctor looked at the knee and said it was fine. Auburn's doctors looked at the knee and said he was fine.

That is why medical hardships can be given out by coaches, as the players have two options, accept it and get a free ride to finish their degree or post grad or pick up everything, transfer and start over. The closest the majority of the players given the medical hardships will get to the NFL is buying a ticket to a game, so taking the free education is a great deal.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So, Urban gave the boot to a kid he recruited himself who hadn't even played a down at OSU, simply so he could replace him with a lower-rated kid at the last second?

And with Dean -- you have no idea how high Meyer and his staff had him rated, nor where they had the player who replaced him rated.

UM pulled the scholarship of a 4 star OL and gave it to a 3 star OL. Where a player is ranked is a great starting point in recruiting for fans, but fitting a recruit into each program's individual system they run is where fans have no idea how the coaches view recruits.

 

[Across The Field]

I used Dean as an example of how doctor's opinion are subjective, as the nations top sports doctor looked at the knee and said it was fine. Auburn's doctors looked at the knee and said he was fine.

That is why medical hardships can be given out by coaches, as the players have two options, accept it and get a free ride to finish their degree or post grad or pick up everything, transfer and start over. The closest the majority of the players given the medical hardships will get to the NFL is buying a ticket to a game, so taking the free education is a great deal.

No you didn't, you used it as an example of Urban somehow taking advantage of some "loophole". You even used that exact word.

 

[Across The Field]

And with Dean -- you have no idea how high Meyer and his staff had him rated, nor where they had the player who replaced him rated.

UM pulled the scholarship of a 4 star OL and gave it to a 3 star OL. Where a player is ranked is a great starting point in recruiting for fans, but fitting a recruit into each program's individual system they run is where fans have no idea how the coaches view recruits.

If they didn't have him rated highly why would they invite him to enroll early? Why did they have minimal communication with the 3* they ended up signing until Dean was out? It doesn't make any kind of sense, dude. We've been through this. There are all sorts of problems with that theory.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If they didn't have him rated highly why would they invite him to enroll early? Why did they have minimal communication with the 3* they ended up signing until Dean was out? It doesn't make any kind of sense, dude. We've been through this. There are all sorts of problems with that theory.

The same reason Harbaugh had minimal contact with a 3 star OL who was signed with another school, yet he pulls the scholarship from a 4 star lineman and gives it to the 3 star lineman.

And inviting someone to enroll early has nothing to do with how highly rated you have them -- some players are able to graduate early from high school, others are not. Enrolling early allows coaches flexibility as they can back date recruits if spots are available, allowing them to sign extra players in a current class.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No you didn't, you used it as an example of Urban somehow taking advantage of some "loophole". You even used that exact word.

Yes -- medical hardships are being used by coaches as a loop hole to open up a roster spot. A doctor's exam is subjective, so OSU doctor's can say, a player like Dean can't play football going forward -- yet the nation's top sports doctor can look at him and say, there is nothing wrong with the knee (strengthen his quad muscles). Auburn doctors can pass him on his physical and he can start practicing with them.

This isn't a big secret. The fact Bama and OSU fans believe it is just a coincidence that Saban in 4 years gave out more medical hardships than the other 11 teams in the SEC combined is humorous. Just as it is that Meyer went one step further and handed out more than Saban (12 in 4 years) did in only his 1st 3 years at OSU (13 in 3 years) -- it is just a coincidence OSU handed out a grand total of 4 in the previous TEN YEARS.

Just a little hint. THEY WERE CLEARING PLAYERS OFF THE ROSTER THEY DIDN'T RECRUIT. You didn't suffer a horrendous string of career ending injuries. It is a loop hole. In Urban's case, he has to give out the hardships after the season ends to open up spots for the recruiting class. In Saban's case -- he signs his recruiting class and then worries about who he is going to "medically retire", transfer, flunk out, etc.