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[bksballer89]

So surprising to see tlance kicking ass in a fantasy football league lol

 

[averagejoe]

I'll jump in on the Kamara vs Ingram topic since I did draft Alvin 5th overall.
I'm not worried about Kamara's usage on MNF.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely.

My view is Kamara will still end up being the better back by season's end.
However I do expect some lean weeks.
After all, in 2017, Kamara did end up as the 4th-best RB. But Ingram was 6th!
In fact, if you look at last year's fantasy numbers, they both had decent (and forgettable) weeks throughout the season.
(Yeah, I save this stuff.)



The N'Orleans offense is strong enough to support both.
I still think Kamara ends up with more points.
Plus, Ingram turns 29 in a month, so I figure his age and mileage start to catch up with him.

 

[TREFF]

I'll jump in on the Kamara vs Ingram topic since I did draft Alvin 5th overall.
I'm not worried about Kamara's usage on MNF.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely.

My view is Kamara will still end up being the better back by season's end.
However I do expect some lean weeks.
After all, in 2017, Kamara did end up as the 4th-best RB. But Ingram was 6th!
In fact, if you look at last year's fantasy numbers, they both had decent (and forgettable) weeks throughout the season.
(Yeah, I save this stuff.)

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The N'Orleans offense is strong enough to support both.
I still think Kamara ends up with more points.
Plus, Ingram turns 29 in a month, so I figure his age and mileage start to catch up with him.

Truth


The biggest loser(s) of Ingram being reinserted, ROS, will most likely be Brees, and everyone not named Thomas. When you can do what they can do running the ball, especially with their generally shaky defense..the best thing for the team, is to run the ball as much as possible..like they did last year

 

[SteelersPride]

Truth


The biggest loser(s) of Ingram being reinserted, ROS, will most likely be Brees, and everyone not named Thomas. When you can do what they can do running the ball, especially with their generally shaky defense..the best thing for the team, is to run the ball as much as possible..like they did last year

brees is having an unreal year, and he was slinging it last night just fine

 

[SteelersPride]

I'll jump in on the Kamara vs Ingram topic since I did draft Alvin 5th overall.
I'm not worried about Kamara's usage on MNF.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely.

My view is Kamara will still end up being the better back by season's end.
However I do expect some lean weeks.
After all, in 2017, Kamara did end up as the 4th-best RB. But Ingram was 6th!
In fact, if you look at last year's fantasy numbers, they both had decent (and forgettable) weeks throughout the season.
(Yeah, I save this stuff.)

View attachment 188572

The N'Orleans offense is strong enough to support both.
I still think Kamara ends up with more points.
Plus, Ingram turns 29 in a month, so I figure his age and mileage start to catch up with him.

kamara outscore him period. Or outscores him from week 5 forwad

 

[averagejoe]

@TKOSpikes
Man, why do you make me think?

 

[Bandit]

I'll jump in on the Kamara vs Ingram topic since I did draft Alvin 5th overall.
I'm not worried about Kamara's usage on MNF.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely.

My view is Kamara will still end up being the better back by season's end.
However I do expect some lean weeks.
After all, in 2017, Kamara did end up as the 4th-best RB. But Ingram was 6th!
In fact, if you look at last year's fantasy numbers, they both had decent (and forgettable) weeks throughout the season.
(Yeah, I save this stuff.)

View attachment 188572

The N'Orleans offense is strong enough to support both.
I still think Kamara ends up with more points.
Plus, Ingram turns 29 in a month, so I figure his age and mileage start to catch up with him.

It's a crazy talented offense.

And one I assume Ingram will lead in carries the rest of the season. Kamara made him better last season. No reason for that to change now. Other than that BYU kid is clearly going to take touches from both, and Brees.

Kamara and Ingram will both have huge games and pedestrian ones. Wouldn't doubt that both get scratched at some point when they might normally grit thru. Because they have that luxury.

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I agree with all of this, but the difference is that last year Kamara was drafted in like the 13th round and he was a consensus top 8 pick this year. You don't mind the lean weeks when you drafted a guy in the 13th round but it's a tough pill to swallow when you drafted him in the first. If he ends up averaging the same amount of touches per game the rest of the season as he averaged last year, then he should have never been drafted in the first round. I think all of us that were willing to draft him in the first assumed that if he was great the first four weeks then even once Ingram came back the Saints would be stupid to take him off the field on a regular basis, but that's exactly what they did. There's no possible way that he could have possibly performed any better during the first four weeks and yet they still had no problem making him play second fiddle to Ingram. So I think what I'm saying is that if any of us that drafted him in the first round knew that the Saints were only going to let him have the same touches as last year we wouldn't have drafted him there because while it was great the first four weeks it's going to be a nightmare the rest of the season and not worthy of a first round pick. Once again though, I say all of this even though I have Ingram in two leagues and Kamara in only one, the whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Trudem]

Alright enough of this damn Alvin Kamara talk, let's see some standings.

WEEK 5 STANDINGS

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So the A league extended their points lead to 146.8 over the B league and there are only 2 teams with less than 500 points in the A league while there's 6 of them in the B league. Tlance won the battle over Sam this week, but Sam won the war as he took over the breakdown lead by just half a game over Tlance and by 1 1/2 games over Steelers. All three 4-1 teams in the A league are in the Aramis division.

In the B league I would say that parity should be the name of the league. 11 of the 12 teams are either 3-2 or 2-3 and the only guy not playing with the rest of us is Trudem who is 5-0, has a perfect power rating, and already has a three game lead in his division. What an asshole!! Pretty impressive that nobody is worse than one game under .500 after five weeks. Trudem now has a 7 game lead over EHB for the breakdown title as EHB had an off week. Just a quick note here, Bandit was 11-0 in breakdown and I just wanted to mention it. LOL.

Oh yes and on a different note, just so you guys can see how crazy the scoring has been this year, I'm going to post the same chart from week 5 of last year. Now keep in mind that there have been absolutely no scoring changes in these leagues at all but the difference is freaking crazy:

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That hurts man

 

[broncosmitty]

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I agree with all of this, but the difference is that last year Kamara was drafted in like the 13th round and he was a consensus top 8 pick this year. You don't mind the lean weeks when you drafted a guy in the 13th round but it's a tough pill to swallow when you drafted him in the first. If he ends up averaging the same amount of touches per game the rest of the season as he averaged last year, then he should have never been drafted in the first round. I think all of us that were willing to draft him in the first assumed that if he was great the first four weeks then even once Ingram came back the Saints would be stupid to take him off the field on a regular basis, but that's exactly what they did. There's no possible way that he could have possibly performed any better during the first four weeks and yet they still had no problem making him play second fiddle to Ingram. So I think what I'm saying is that if any of us that drafted him in the first round knew that the Saints were only going to let him have the same touches as last year we wouldn't have drafted him there because while it was great the first four weeks it's going to be a nightmare the rest of the season and not worthy of a first round pick. Once again though, I say all of this even though I have Ingram in two leagues and Kamara in only one, the whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

I only own Kamara in Dynasty.

Have Ingram in a few redrafts though.

Last season Kamara started the year as a distant third on the depth chart. (7,1,2,3,5. Those are his carries the first 5 games last year.)His season high in carries was 12. (Ingram has 12+ in 15/17 in that span.)He had 10 targets just once last year. Three of his last four regular season games he averaged 3.67 per carry or lower. ( 21 carries for 66 yards in the playoffs.)He has 2 100 yard rushing games in his career so far. (Ingram Also had 100 Yards in the same game, week 9, last season.)

PPR monster. But never going to be a bellcow for a season, by choice, imo.

Only time Kamara has had more carries than Ingram was Game 1 last year. 7 carries for 18
Yards. Ingram 6 for 17.

 

[broncosmitty]

He was under 4 per carry each of the first two games this year too.

His value will always be as a receiver and big play threat to me. My favorite back in last years draft. But Reggie Bush useage is/was expected.

His 120 carries last year were the most he's had since HS. 107 as a Sophomore was before that.

 

[TREFF]

brees is having an unreal year, and he was slinging it last night just fine

With history on the line. Yesterday's news now, and as has been said previously in this thread, Monday wasn't about what they needed, they could literally do whatever they wanted to. Not gonna have that luxury very often

 

[bksballer89]

I only own Kamara in Dynasty.

Have Ingram in a few redrafts though.

Last season Kamara started the year as a distant third on the depth chart. (7,1,2,3,5. Those are his carries the first 5 games last year.)His season high in carries was 12. (Ingram has 12+ in 15/17 in that span.)He had 10 targets just once last year. Three of his last four regular season games he averaged 3.67 per carry or lower. ( 21 carries for 66 yards in the playoffs.)He has 2 100 yard rushing games in his career so far. (Ingram Also had 100 Yards in the same game, week 9, last season.)

PPR monster. But never going to be a bellcow for a season, by choice, imo.

Only time Kamara has had more carries than Ingram was Game 1 last year. 7 carries for 18
Yards. Ingram 6 for 17.

Yep. I like Ingram more when it comes to actually running the ball. My guess is Ingram will usually get slightly more carries while Kamara will get more passes thrown his way.

 

[bksballer89]

I must say calling a team "stupid" when they just dropped 43 points last night is comical. They could have easily had 50+ last night if they wanted to.

You don't have to like anything the Saints did last night in terms of how they used Kamara but calling it stupid is a bit much to say the least As a Saints fan, I'll tell you that was by far the best game they played of the season. The other 4 games don't come anywhere close to that performance last night.

There was nothing stupid about that offense last night

 

[broncosmitty]

Did Kamara ever have more snaps in a game than Ingram last year?


I'd doubt it.

 

[tlance]

I must say calling a team "stupid" when they just dropped 43 points last night is comical. They could have easily had 50+ last night if they wanted to.

You don't have to like anything the Saints did last night in terms of how they used Kamara but calling it stupid is a bit much to say the least As a Saints fan, I'll tell you that was by far the best game they played of the season. The other 4 games don't come anywhere close to that performance last night.

There was nothing stupid about that offense last night

No, I will stand by what I said. It is stupid.

Yes, they scored 43 points against a team that didn't show up.

The issue will be if they hamstring their own offense by giving Ingram more work than Kamara moving forward. It will catch up to them in the games that will matter most if they do. Because Kamara is better. And against the cream of the NFC it will matter. It obviously didn't on Monday.

 

[SteelersPride]

With history on the line. Yesterday's news now, and as has been said previously in this thread, Monday wasn't about what they needed, they could literally do whatever they wanted to. Not gonna have that luxury very often

agree, but his prior games were stellar as well

 

[bksballer89]

No, I will stand by what I said. It is stupid.

Yes, they scored 43 points against a team that didn't show up.

The issue will be if they hamstring their own offense by giving Ingram more work than Kamara moving forward. It will catch up to them in the games that will matter most if they do. Because Kamara is better. And against the cream of the NFC it will matter. It obviously didn't on Monday.

LOL

As i said before, Ingram will likely get slightly more carries than Kamara while Kamara get more passes thrown his way. They will likely get close to the same amount of as snaps

Saints would have found away to get rid of Ingram in the offseason if they wanted Ingram to be completely irrelevant and treat him like some shitty back which is pretty clear that's what most of you think of him.

Becoming more and more clear that most on here want a guy who avg 5 yards per carry the last 2 years to all of sudden get less than 10 carries per game. Sorry to break it to everyone on here but that was never going to happen

 

[TREFF]

agree, but his prior games were stellar as well

Right, without their big grinder. I mean, the blueprint of what they want to do offensively with a full backfield is exactly what they did last year. No idea what would lead anyone to assume otherwise.

 

[SteelersPride]

Right, without their big grinder. I mean, the blueprint of what they want to do offensively with a full backfield is exactly what they did last year. No idea what would lead anyone to assume otherwise.

Exactly

 

[averagejoe]

Did Kamara ever have more snaps in a game than Ingram last year?


I'd doubt it.

Snaps, or touches?
I don't have the numbers available but remember reading that Kamara out-touched Ingram the last 5 games if 2017.