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SoShady

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Actually sir, Treff was not the one who suggested that. It was the person you recently thanked for being a 'stand-up guy'.

Just pointing that out. In your defense, there have been a lot of posts to wade through.

Last time I checked Treff was a big boy. You know people are starting to talk. If you want to get the facts you would have had to be part of the PM's. But you were not so continue on like a blind squirrel.
 

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Last time I checked Treff was a big boy. You know people are starting to talk. If you want to get the facts you would have had to be part of the PM's. But you were not so continue on like a blind squirrel.

Then perhaps you should take this off the public threads and continue the conversation in your PMs, idiot.
 

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You are the one who brought him up. You have nothing to do with this. Are you Treff's bitch? Step off...
 

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This is not a change, but I would like to suggest adding 3 clauses into the rules on the top line:

- Treat all members with respect: we will disagree at at times but at the end of the day this league is a family. As a discussion progresses we must be able to move forward. Do not turn disputes into personal attacks and do not take things personally if others don't agree with your point of view. We all want what is best for the league.
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Well this one just got violated ten ways from Sunday..didn't take long.
 

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You are the one who brought him up. You have nothing to do with this. Are you Treff's bitch? Step off...

Seriously, have you read any of these posts? You have been making accusations left and right that are totally off base.

You do understand that, don't you?
 

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@TKOSpikes @TREFF

I agree you can't have 6 players on your bench. I would say that should always be true. After the draft, mid-week, always.

I just think forcing somebody to drop an injured player during bye week he'll is a choice that the owner should have some autonomy to make. We have to be able to assume people have the best intentions with their lineups. It is pretty obvious when someone is forced IMO a bad spot vs. being there's out of inactivity.

The former should be acceptable as long as the owner can prove they did everything they could to avoid it. The latter should be punishable by oblivion.
Okay, after some thinking about it today, I can see your point..there's is a gray area when it comes to players with injuries combined with byes, good intentions and all that. There should be some sort of exception in those instances.

But 6 on the bench and an empty spot can never be acceptable, we can agree on that, right?
 

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Okay, after some thinking about it today, I can see your point..there's is a gray area when it comes to players with injuries combined with byes, good intentions and all that. There should be some sort of exception in those instances.

But 6 on the bench and an empty spot can never be acceptable, we can agree on that, right?

Nice sidestep. It's your battle again, I'm done.
 

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As for @broncosmitty and the Gronk deal...I cannot say I agree with the strategy, it's a bit shady too, but no one felt it was a big enough issue to bring to our attention. I wouldn't say it's a huge deal, but it does need to be addressed in the process as well, so that it's clear moving forward.

Kudos to you for owning up to it in the first place
 

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You know, I guess I need to start paying a little more attention. A week or so ago I had no idea any of this shit was going on........................
 

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You know, I guess I need to start paying a little more attention. A week or so ago I had no idea any of this shit was going on........................
Volunteer to be the commish, you get clued in on all kinds of shit you don't wanna know :suds:
 

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You know, I guess I need to start paying a little more attention. A week or so ago I had no idea any of this shit was going on........................

It's that damn Santa Claus sticking his nose in everyone's chimney!
 

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You know, I guess I need to start paying a little more attention. A week or so ago I had no idea any of this shit was going on........................

~Donald Trump~

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Okay, after some thinking about it today, I can see your point..there's is a gray area when it comes to players with injuries combined with byes, good intentions and all that. There should be some sort of exception in those instances.

But 6 on the bench and an empty spot can never be acceptable, we can agree on that, right?

100% agree on that.

And if we wanted to say that ever applies to draft night and mid-week also, I certainly would not stand in the way.
 

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100% agree on that.

And if we wanted to say that ever applies to draft night and mid-week also, I certainly would not stand in the way.
Well I'm sure your aware of my opinion that everyone should have the makings of a legal lineup on the roster at all times (i.e., kicker and defense drafted and rostered always), but, I'm flexible there, so long as the roster is rectified by a lineup deadline
 

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As for @broncosmitty and the Gronk deal...I cannot say I agree with the strategy, it's a bit shady too, but no one felt it was a big enough issue to bring to our attention. I wouldn't say it's a huge deal, but it does need to be addressed in the process as well, so that it's clear moving forward.

Kudos to you for owning up to it in the first place
I think it might've been mentioned while it was happening. Not sure. Wasn't the only league I drafted him in the first. (I remember talking about it, might not have been on the Barbarian thread though)Or didn't roster a backup. Or didn't cut anyone week 1 to fill his spot.

If it is against the rules in the future, I'll follow em. but only because it's a rule. I honestly think I did what was best for the entire season. Of course Gronk getting being hurt most of the season didn't make it play out that way.
 

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Okay, after some thinking about it today, I can see your point..there's is a gray area when it comes to players with injuries combined with byes, good intentions and all that. There should be some sort of exception in those instances.

But 6 on the bench and an empty spot can never be acceptable, we can agree on that, right?

100% agree on that.

And if we wanted to say that ever applies to draft night and mid-week also, I certainly would not stand in the way.

Well I'm sure your aware of my opinion that everyone should have the makings of a legal lineup on the roster at all times (i.e., kicker and defense drafted and rostered always), but, I'm flexible there, so long as the roster is rectified by a lineup deadline

My gosh, lets vote on that and get it out of the way. I don't think there needs to be any further discussion, just vote and get it over with. Proposed:
1. League setting will be changed to 1 for every starting position. (The ESPN system will police)
2. League setting will be changed to 5 bench spots maximum. (Likewise, the ESPN system will police)

Then let's please move on with more solutions. .....
 

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One last thing. While I 100% agree and accept any rule that comes from this. Which I will follow with no issues.

But why did no one contact me back during November? That's my biggest question and concern. You do know this entire thing could have been averted with 1 simple message back then. Bizarre that it was felt it was best to keep me out of any conversation going on in the A league thread. @TREFF you as commish could have told me to change it or anyone else in the MBBRL. Any of the more outspoken against me could have messaged me so it's not all on treff's plate. Instead of getting blindsided with everything the way I was. Even to the point that I find out Cheff quit doing our B league updates because of this. Crazy how this snowballed into something huge because we didn't tackle it at the start.
 
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