Martellus Bennett ranks Rodgers ahead of Brady

[DHoey]

Seattle

And least they cut bait and started the right qb

 

[Rex Racer]

And least they cut bait and started the right qb

I'll give them that.

 

[BigKen]

Football is a team game. There is no "I" in team.

Individual stats become lost forever once someone surpasses the existing record.

For those that say that Aaron Rogers individual stats are better than Tom Brady's have to admit that Peyton manning is a much better QB than Rogers because he has all of the QB individual records. Career yards, mosts TDs in a season, most yards thrown in a season. You said individual records, not team. based on that criteria, Peyton manning is the greatest of all time.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Taking Rodgers over Brady is a John Madden/Captain Obvious comment. This is common knowledge I mean the stats and the eye test demonstrate that Rodgers is not only better but significantly better than Brady

Stats since 2009 since both were starting (Brady injured in 08)

Rodgers Brady
QBR: 104.1 97.2
TD: 268 257
YDS*: 32,460 35,136
ATT*: 4,062 4,571
GP: 118 124
TD/INT: 4.62 3.89

Postseason:
Rodgers Brady
QBR: 99.4 88.7
COMP %: 63.5 62.4
PPG: 26.8 24.8
TD/INT: 3.6 2.03
YPA: 7.5 6.8
Adjusted YPA: 8.0 6.7

This doesn't even include how vastly superior Rodgers is in rushing totals and his QBR when pressured when compared to Brady.

Brady has rings and that's what the provocateur Skip Bayless uses but we all know that's not how to compare QB's because Brady has the best coach of our time and consistent good to great defenses while Rodgers has a liability in game coach and a trash defense every year except a couple.

More points to substantiate why AR is substantially better

1) AR12 has the highest QBR in NFL history
2) Rodgers has the best TD:INT ratio in history
3) Rodgers could throw 26 interceptions in a row and would still have a better ratio than Brady
4) Football is a team game! In the five years Brady has won the super bowl, the Patriots defense ranked 1st, 1st, 2nd, 6th, and 8th. Rodgers has only had a top 10 defense twice in 9 years! One of those years was when he won the Super Bowl! Bottom line, Rodgers is one of the best to ever play the game.

The only thing Tom has is the SB's which have a dark cloud over all of them cheating scandals and team cheating scandals, and the two recent SB's have come because teams decided to pass instead of run the ball and the first three were from cheating scandals.

Brady is by far the most accomplished but Rodgers is the superior all around QB.

Get your stats correct and then we'll talk.

1. 104.1 and 97.2 are career numbers, not numbers since 2009.
2. Those numbers are quite convenient starting in 2009, why not look at the last 9 years of Brady's career (not including 2008), and compare them to the first 9 of Rodgers career? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that if you do that, you include Brady's best year and Rodgers worse.

QB Rating: Rodgers-104.5, Brady-102.5
TDs: Rodgers-296, Brady-309
Yards: Rodgers-36,498, Brady-40018
Attempts: Rodgers-4598, Brady-5160
GP: Rodgers-135, Brady-140
TD/INT: Rodgers-4.17, Brady-4.18

Seems pretty darn close over 9 seasons, and Brady has an additional 6 valuable seasons on top of that.

1. Yes, he does. And his passer rating is about 24% higher than league average since his career started, while Brady's is 19% higher than league average.
2. Also true, but Brady's last 9 seasons are better than Rodgers first 9 seasons. Brady, however, played multiple years in a less passer friendly environment. From 2001-2006 the league average TD/INT ratio was 1.27 while Brady's was a very good 1.88. Since then, it has increased significantly about 23.8% to 1.57.
3. See above
4. It absolutely is a team game and I would be a fool to tell you that the Patriots haven't had very good defenses. But, you would be of equal foolishness to try to skate over the fact that Rodgers lone Super Bowl win, he owes a large part to his defense. But, the league isn't broken down into "great defenses and shitty defenses". Over the last 9 years, the Packers have allowed the 8th fewest points in the NFL. They allowed less than 2 more points per game than the Patriots in that span.

Rodgers is a tremendous QB and one of the best to ever play. But he and Brady have been neck and neck for a while. Brady's career numbers aren't going to be as good, rate-wise, due to the era in which they played their careers. Those extra 6 seasons for Brady are a positive even though it will count negatively towards his career rate stats.

Take what Rodgers has done so far in his career, and add 6 seasons where he averages the following:
376/573 (65.6%), 4300 yards, 30 TDs, and 10 INTs (98.2 rating). Does that make Rodgers a better or worse QB? Because comparing the era in which Brady played to now, that's the equivalent of what he did for those 6 seasons.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Flynn is out of the NFL... Enough said.

Thanks Captain fucking Obvious Exactly my point Flynn threw for 6 tds vs Detroit with all those weapons and won. So for anybody who says that GB is a 1-15 or 2-14 team is talking out of their ass. Just like Indy that threw some games to get Luck. He went 11--5 his first 3 seasons. I know Luck is good but doubt a 9 game win improvement his first year

 

[GNG]

Thanks Captain fucking Obvious Exactly my point Flynn threw for 6 tds vs Detroit with all those weapons and won. So for anybody who says that GB is a 1-15 or 2-14 team is talking out of their ass. Just like Indy that threw some games to get Luck. He went 11--5 his first 3 seasons. I know Luck is good but doubt a 9 game win improvement his first year

Sorry sonny but I think you fell off the wagon again. The Packers would not be a playoff team without Rodgers at QB.

 

[GNG]

Peyton manning is the greatest of all time.

He is in the top 5.

 

[GNG]

And least they cut bait and started the right qb

They had no choice because it was clear that Flynn sucked as a starting QB.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Sorry sonny but I think you fell off the wagon again. The Packers would not be a playoff team without Rodgers at QB.

Prob not but maybe a 7-9 8-8 team. Rodgers is a excellent QB, no doubt about it,And I told u to stop with the wagon shit

 

[GNG]

Prob not but maybe a 7-9 8-8 team. Rodgers is a excellent QB, no doubt about it,And I told u to stop with the wagon shit

You sure seem sensitive tonight.

 

[sonnyblack65]

You sure seem sensitive tonight.

Ok crackhead

 

[handicappers]

Got the Packers +6.5 for this one. Should be some easy cheddar I'll be stackin'.

 

[GNG]

Ok crackhead

Now that was funny... You do have a sense of humor...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This gets said a lot but it's simply not true . Since 2009 the average defensive ranking for NE is 15.4, GB is 15.3. Both teams have had good defenses, average defenses and awful defenses in that time

Has been very bad in Rodgers' playoff losses. So it's an issue of sequencing.

 

[Ricky Roma]

The Matt Flynn argument is quite flawed to say the least. That was six years ago when the Packers were a 15-1 team and they actually had some decent talent around Rodgers - the leagues MVP that year. Some of that talent was of course, a product of Rogers' greatness, but whatever. One game from a guy who is out of the league shows exactly what that was.....a nothing.

Take Rodgers off of the current Packers and they are probably a 4 win team.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Has been very bad in Rodgers' playoff losses. So it's an issue of sequencing.

It's not like the offense has played particularly well in most of those losses. 7 playoff losses and the offense scored 22 points or fewer in 5 of them. 2 of which went to OT.

Plus in 10 of Rodger's 16 playoff games, the opposing team scored fewer than league average points in regulation, and he's 7-3. The 6 times they gave up more than league average, he's 2-4. So 62.5% of the time, the opponent scores fewer than the league average in points.

Compare that to Brady, where 21 out of his 34 playoff games, the opponent has scored fewer than league average points (61.8%) and the Pats are 18-3 in those games, and 7-6 in the 13 games where the opponent scores more than league average.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

It's not like the offense has played particularly well in most of those losses. 7 playoff losses and the offense scored 22 points or fewer in 5 of them. 2 of which went to OT.

Plus in 10 of Rodger's 16 playoff games, the opposing team scored fewer than league average points in regulation, and he's 7-3. The 6 times they gave up more than league average, he's 2-4. So 62.5% of the time, the opponent scores fewer than the league average in points.

Compare that to Brady, where 21 out of his 34 playoff games, the opponent has scored fewer than league average points (61.8%) and the Pats are 18-3 in those games, and 7-6 in the 13 games where the opponent scores more than league average.

Packers defense stinks, we all know this, no matter how creative we try to get with the stats

When your defense can't get off the field, when the offense is always chasing points, it changes a lot of how you run your operation. So just saying "the offense only scored" is mostly irrelevant

Last year was a perfect example. The Atlanta Falcons didn't punt in the NFC title game, that's not a game a reasonable person can look at and say "yeah but the offense"

 

[soxfan1468927]

Packers defense stinks, we all know this, no matter how creative we try to get with the stats

When your defense can't get off the field, when the offense is always chasing points, it changes a lot of how you run your operation. So just saying "the offense only scored" is mostly irrelevant

Last year was a perfect example. The Atlanta Falcons didn't punt in the NFC title game, that's not a game a reasonable person can look at and say "yeah but the offense"

The Packers and Falcons punted the same amount in that game, but keep making things up to suit your argument. I'll stick with facts.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The Packers and Falcons punted the same amount in that game, but keep making things up to suit your argument. I'll stick with facts.

Keep ignoring context

The Falcons didn't punt till they were up 30-40 in garbage time

 

[soxfan1468927]

Keep ignoring context

The Falcons didn't punt till they were up 30-40 in garbage time

Keep ignoring facts, the Falcons punted when they were up 17-0, right between Rodgers going 3 and out and throwing an interception.