Lions 2020 Draft Watch

[Rollingthndr]

Here is my early short mock.

Rd 1 CB Okuda OH St
Rd 2 OT Becton Lou
Rd 3 Edge Okwara ND

I just cant see the Skins passing on Chase. If somehow they beat Dallas then I will have to change my 1st and 3rd round selections.

Need D-line so bad it isn't funny.
Would hate to see us not address it till the third round.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Derrick Brown

Explosiveness: Wicked, spring-like explosiveness out of his stance. Tape as a 0-technique (LSU) is laughably dominant, given his ability to key on the center's movements and anticipate the snap. Can fire through the chute with low pads and insane lower-body power to immediate shock opponent into the backfield and reset line of scrimmage/compromise pocket integrity. Has some absurd reps as a slanter/one-gap player where he shows more than the requisite slipperiness and flexibility to clear his hips/shoulders into the backfield and challenge for TFLs and sacks.

Lateral Agility: Balance and flexibility for such a big man get me starry-eyed. Works from a really wide base that lets him get to the soft shoulder of his opponent easily. Foot speed through rush moves or when working across face against zone flow is mighty impressive. Has enough burst in tight areas to contact rushers as they work through holes nearby him, but has some waist-bending tendencies that lead to high hips and subsequently slower changes of direction.

Pass Rush Technique: Flashy and growing here. Is far too willing to result to the bull rush at times, given his elite length, hand/punch strength, and athleticism to finish rushes against a half-man relationship. Works his way into his opponent's frame, pushes pocket depth, but doesn't finish a majority of rushes by working to a shoulder and trying to separate into the backfield. Best rushes come from wins off of first step that allow for dip/rip into backfield or quick inside counter with club/hump/spin. Push pull shows up occasionally and looks strong but again, looking for more frequency.

Leverage: Huge dude who's able to play so far beyond his toes that sometimes he's too far out ahead of himself. Has true sled drive power and pad placement against NFL-caliber opponents and regularly wins the chest off the snap. Can struggle to read pressure keys and will give up his back to down-blocking opponents who take advantage of his over-eager extension and finish him. Pad level pops up late in long drives.

Block Deconstruction: Matter of when, not if. If he puts you at extension you're toast: has huge mitts to control chest plate and ideal length to stack and shuck opponents to present in gaps as a two-gapper. Does not break opponent's grip so much as he has enough power and length to take an engaged opponent and drive him into the backfield -- brute strength is astounding and he can uproot opponents, leading to huge log jams in run blocking schemes. Has the technique and anchor to defeat double teams and plant pullers.

Lower-Body Power: From another planet. Ability to work poor angles/hand placement/leverage and still drive opponents 3+ yards into the backfield is among some of the least explicable tape I've seen this year. True battering ram that regularly uproots opponents off the snap with initial leg drive. Can continue to generate drive power with active feet and thick trunk to steamroll zone flow or downblocks into gaps; regularly creates pile-ups in blocking schemes that destroy RB reads. Has some truly shocking reps at stonewalling full-steam running backs or gobbling up thick double teams with the strength in his lower half.

Upper-Body Strength: While it's not exactly equivalent to his lower body, it's still something else. Can toss opponents aside like last week's trash and has lockout power in his arms to maintain leverage/positioning with only one half of his body, to get the other arm involved in the play. Deals some crushing blows when he incorporates strikes into his pass rushes, though you'd like to see more here. Can deal with some torsion strength failure when trying to work back across face, which is also a leverage problem.

Mental Processing: Guilty of getting tunnel vision, which is understandable for a player of his skill set. Will key in hard on OL flow when there's simple play-action or jet misdirection in the backfield and goes where the guard takes him despite clear opportunities to get involved with plays as a backside defender. Struggles are limited to plays where the OL is lying to him, however -- regularly keys RB choices nicely when he's in the correct position and gets involved in the appropriate gaps, often making hustle plays in other defenders' gaps as well.

Motor: When it's hot, it's smoking. Willing to retrace screens and pursue QB runs/WR bubbles to deal big hits from the backside as a pursuit player. Will string moves/efforts together against double teams in pass protection (something he will deal with at the NFL level) to continue occupying two defenders and create one-on-ones for his teammates. Late in drives and late in games, clearly loses a bit of steam. Is more likely to get finished in the running game or sit on blocks in the passing game and get involved late. Could perhaps stand to lose some bad weight in the belly to improve conditioning.


Round Grade: Incomplete

Best Trait: Lower-Body Power

Worst Trait: Mental Processing

NFL Comparison: Ndamukong Suh

 

[RobBase]

Derrick Brown

NFL Comparison: Ndamukong Suh

 

[Mebert]

Need D-line so bad it isn't funny.
Would hate to see us not address it till the third round.

I think the dline has some talent, but teams knowing we will never send extra rushers makes it easier to scheme for.

I believe that with a decent gameplan the Lions dline is....adequate? Average maybe?

 

[broncosmitty]

I’m rooting so hard for the Redskins tomorrow. They’ll be motivated to eliminate Dallas from playoff contention.

Also rooting for @broncosmitty ’s Packers....

Until Quinn is fired, I don't care where we pick.



It doesn't really matter.

 

[phantomfoul88]

It doesn't matter who they draft on DL if the defensive scheme sucks. If I were a college prospect and saw a potential buyer run a system that didn't suite my talents I'd play dead.

 

[Rollingthndr]

I think the dline has some talent, but teams knowing we will never send extra rushers makes it easier to scheme for.

I believe that with a decent gameplan the Lions dline is....adequate? Average maybe?

Adequate?
Hell no. Outside of Flowers. You have a couple Robinson who is a decent run stuffer and a completely unmotivated "Snacks" Harrison.
Supposedly Dashawn Hand is something special according to this board but I have yet to see anything that he is to be a building block for the future.
Couldn't even name any other scrub on the D-line other than that.

Besides, even if you rush 3 with Flowers and Young. Both of those guys would need doubled leaving Snacks one on one.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Until Quinn is fired, I don't care where we pick.



It doesn't really matter.

Why?
Heard there was some elite talent at the long snapper position this year.
No GM in the business I would trust more with an eye for talent at that position.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Honestly would rather take a chance on Derrick Brown than a CB or LB.
Last time we had a Suh like guy on the team. We made it to the playoff before the refs finally jobbed us.

 

[Rollingthndr]

• Redskins president Bruce Allen will reportedly "be out of running the team’s football operations by Monday."
  In addition to hiring a new head coach, the Redskins are expected to completely shake up their front office, per NBC Sports' JP Finlay. Allen is expected to at least lose his football operation role and could be removed entirely from the organization. It's a move that is long overdue but one that Redskins owner Dan Snyder has found tough to pull given his close relationship with Allen. The Redskins need to remove Allen from football operations to give potential head coaches more confidence in the organization's future. A statement from the team should come within the next 72 hours. A new head coach could be named within that time frame as well.
  
  SOURCE: JP Finlay on Twitter
  Dec 28, 2019, 5:19 PM ET

If this is true. It would increase the odds of the Redskins moving on from Haskins at #2. New GM's love having "Their guy" to start anew.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Honestly would rather take a chance on Derrick Brown than a CB or LB.
Last time we had a Suh like guy on the team. We made it to the playoff before the refs finally jobbed us.

Brown is nowhere near the talent that Suh or even McCoy displayed at the collegiate level and most certainly isn't worthy of a top ten pick but some team might bite that bullet.

Brown doesn't currently possess the prowess as a pass rush specialist and yet you think MP and his position coaches can coach him up to a higher standard and utilize him properly.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

^^^^

I'd draft CB Okudah 10/10 over Brown and that normally goes against my line of thinking when comparing the learning curve of a CFB DT transitioning to the NFL versus a CFB CB transitioning to the NFL.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Watch out for the following player. He has played lights out against Bama, Georgia, Auburn and Oklahoma this year. He does very well dropping into coverage but doesn't have a ton of experience at doing a lot of it.. He chased down Hazelwood in last nights game who had gotten free in the 2nd level after a slant route.

Neither of Bama's OT could match up with his speed around the edge.

He's not top 10 worthy, imo, but he could be used as a chess piece moving him around as a Jack, Leo or with his hand in the dirt and displays much better instincts than Kennard.

The Draft Network K'Lavon Chaisson

K'Lavon Chaisson 2019 Game Log | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[Rollingthndr]

^^^^

I'd draft CB Okudah 10/10 over Brown and that normally goes against my line of thinking when comparing the learning curve of a CFB DT transitioning to the NFL versus a CFB CB transitioning to the NFL.

Sorry but our corners are pretty legit and the pass rush is one of the worst I've ever seen. The ONLY time these chumps get a sack or close to it is on blitzes. I'd rather take empenada from Iowa.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Watch out for the following player. He has played lights out against Bama, Georgia, Auburn and Oklahoma this year. He does very well dropping into coverage but doesn't have a ton of experience at doing a lot of it.. He chased down Hazelwood in last nights game who had gotten free in the 2nd level after a slant route.

Neither of Bama's OT could match up with his speed around the edge.

He's not top 10 worthy, imo, but he could be used as a chess piece moving him around as a Jack, Leo or with his hand in the dirt and displays much better instincts than Kennard.

The Draft Network K'Lavon Chaisson

K'Lavon Chaisson 2019 Game Log | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

How are we supposed to get him? Use #3 pick or hope he falls to the second?

 

[Rollingthndr]

Sounds overly optimistic but I can't see how the Redskins can pass on a QB at #2.

New head coach and most likely a new GM.

You won't get another arm talent like Tua or Herbert in the 2nd round.

Haskins got his first ever win last season against the Lions and couldn't take the kneel down because he was taking selfies with a fan. As a GM, how do you stick with a guy who isn't even excited enough about his first ever win to be invested enough to take the final kneel down?

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Sorry but our corners are pretty legit and the pass rush is one of the worst I've ever seen. The ONLY time these chumps get a sack or close to it is on blitzes. I'd rather take empenada from Iowa.

You can Never have enough CB/DB or pass rushers as far as am I'm concerned. Oruwariye doesn't possess Okudah's acumen as a CB, imo.

Besides, Slay may or may not be here in 2021 and possibly not here next season should BQ try to get some value out of him in a trade before he walks in 2021 and you pretty much end up with nothing in a comp pick (maybe a 4th rd comp pick at best in 2022).

Epenesa fits their big End type player ( like Hand) but I don't see what all the lovefest about him is for.

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

Here’s a look at the draft order for the picks that are currently locked in for the 2020 NFL Draft.

1. Bengals
2. Washington
3. Lions
4. Giants
5. Dolphins
6. Chargers
7. Panthers
8. Cardinals
9. Jaguars
10. Browns
11. Jets
12. Raiders
13. Colts
14. Buccaneers

 

[Gulf of Brazil]

How are we supposed to get him? Use #3 pick or hope he falls to the second?

No, I wouldn't use the #3 pick as I stated he's not worthy of top 10. You'd have to rely upon one of the QB needy teams (Miami, LAC, Caro) to move up in our spot but even that becomes distorted with the Giants behind us at #4.

If BQ traded down and Young, Okudah and Thomas were all gone then you might consider moving further down below those QB needy teams and that's where Brown would come into play after the Jaguars pick. imo.

I doubt he'll be there in the 2nd but who knows at this point.

It's way too early at this point and FA is 2 1/2 months away then another 6 weeks after that the draft will be held in "your city".

 

[Rollingthndr]

If BQ traded down and Young, Okudah and Thomas were all gone then you might consider moving further down below those QB needy teams and that's where Brown would come into play after the Jaguars pick. imo.

I used to love the idea of trading down. Get a bunch of picks and set the team up for long term success.
Problem with it is.... You miss on rare, blue chip cornerstone talent where talent and character come together and become team leaders. The other being you need a great GM to nail those picks.