Let the chips fall where the may.

[YankeeRebel]

Really? Did you delete your "sperm swallowing" post??

You certainly can't back up this tough guy reply when you remove what you write.

Keep digging this hole. You're burying yourself.

No I did not, there goes BK again posting shit at random and presenting it as fact.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Apples to oranges

TB12 did not do it every drive.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Ahh and there it is again presented a fact and chooses to ignore it b/c it doesn't fit the narrative in this case lie you are weaving. Pros get upset they show their emotions it happens.

Then they buckle down and get back to work.
Brady may have thrown a helmet, hollered at B O'B, hollered at Skippy or whatever.
But he didn't continue to do it play after play after play, game after game.
And Brady had 3 rings under his belt before he started questioning plays and coaching.
That's the difference.

 

[BigKen]

TB12 did not do it every drive.

Absolutely. But he did better than 1 out of 21. Brady knew he couldn't outrun anyone, so he altered his style and found a way to avoid the defense and complete 80% of his passes. His inner drive to be the best is what set him apart. He never blamed anyone else for his failures, he fixed 'em.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Vince Wilfork said last night that he would be drooling if he played defense against Mac Jones.
He's hesitant and takes an extra second or two to release.
His eye to brain recognition may be a problem when checking down.
He's horribly slow moving in the pocket and tends to go back instead of stepping up and releasing.
He shows way too much frustration and defenses feed of it because they immediately assume that they are the cause and it pumps them up.

Nothing like a former All-Pro to tell it like it is.

He's a pussy.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Way to cherry pick BK.

And are you proposing this is all on Mac

Cherry pick?
They are 3 QB's who have been benched.
1 a SB winner and SB contender, 1 a SB contender, and the third an NFL Sophomore.
Pretty wide variety to me.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Just my 2 cents and with inflation it's my 5 cents. Last year Mac was good in his first year and under McDaniels. This year we have the 3 Stooges of offense BB, Patricia and Judge, mind you all good or very good on D. I can understand Mac's frustration as they have handcuffed the kid with the dumbest play calling that comes to memory. You need 9 , throw it 2 yards. 25 plays under center, you hand off the ball 24x, 26 times in shotgun, you throw it 25 x wtf a first grader would know to mix it up . And the cherry is the last play call in a tied game as time is winding down. Either give the kid a shot at a 50 yard pass which he has done in College, knee it and play for OT or simple handoff .

BB's boy Urban Meyer ruined Jax with the #1 pick Trevor Lawrence under center, and a good offensive minded coach like Pederson has changed the game plan, mindset, atmosphere etc over there and team is progressing nicely. I would love to see a Sean Peyton who everybody loves and respects. Bill the mumbler's circle of Patricia, Judge, Urban, Chip Kelly, Schiano and Saban, are all narcissists, ego maniac guys who could not succeed in the NFL. You can rant , rave and threaten a college kid but in the NFL these are grown men who are millionaires. Judge had guys doing stupid hs shit like extra laps or some nonsense.

My beef with Mac which a few poster pointed out is his baby antics. He runs too hot and cold, make a nice place and doing some stupid jig out there, makes a bad play and his bad language and facial expressions are of Baby Huey, grow the fuck up McCorkle. Sure he has missed throws and his check down his bad, needs to react quicker, but I think that is fixable. Imo Jets are a better team than NE because basically same record, needed a 85 yard walk-off return to win and Wilson is the worst QB I have seen in years, outright sucks. If they had Mac and we had Wilson, we would be 2-3 games below in the cellar .

 

[Southieinnc]

He's not alone. I still think Mac has redemption in him. I'm fine with everyone venting and have nothing to offer contrary.

Add me to that list too.....

 

[NWPATSFAN]

He's not alone. I still think Mac has redemption in him. I'm fine with everyone venting and have nothing to offer contrary.

I never said he isn't or can't be a decent QB. I'd still turn the page and play Zappe this season just to see what they really have.

The island maybe should be named Denial Island? He didn't want to own that Mac was also part of the problem.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

More like apples to apples but Granny Smiths to Honey Crisps. It's a lot closer than you see. "Earning the right" or "win something first" is just a part of a perception. If Mac wins and some days runs over someone for a first down then all will be forgiven.

OK that is your opinion. As a QB in the NFL you have to earn respect. It's not given to you. He hasn't done that by either his actions nor his deeds.

When you're as decorated as Brady and had the trust of all his team mates, you can be a bitch and only haters will hate.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Actually, that's an opinion.

Is it?

Maybe the 2nd part but certainly not the 1st part.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

How much of a dumb **** must you be to post all opinion and then claim it as fact? LMAO losing debates is really not your strong suit. Maybe you and BK can guzzle each others hot sperm and call it eggnog.

Wow hot sperm. You must kill them at recess.

I think we know who lost this debate. lol hot sperm.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Again you prove your level of idiocy. A former NFL QB states what many others have said about how basic this offense is but you know better. LOL What insufferable douche

Keep moving the goal posts. Soon you'll strengthen your argument. lol

 

[NWPATSFAN]

100% spot on. NFL sends out the memo before the 07 season, saying where and where you cannot film. He "misinterprets the rules" even though he is the smartest guy in the room . against a bottom Jets team they beat by like 40 points and going up an ex-assistant, not too bright. Cost Patriots a 1st round pick, plus a black eye with dopes calling the team the Cheatriots. And then with questioned about Deflategate, he threw Brady right under the bus "go ask Tom, he is the QB" I have never seen a HC in any sport do that before, self preservation and not defend a player. Not 1 type of explanation like the temp, lets see the other team's balls psi etc etc.

It goes on and on Sonny but some posters can't see the forest through the trees.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Vince Wilfork said last night that he would be drooling if he played defense against Mac Jones.
He's hesitant and takes an extra second or two to release.
His eye to brain recognition may be a problem when checking down.
He's horribly slow moving in the pocket and tends to go back instead of stepping up and releasing.
He shows way too much frustration and defenses feed of it because they immediately assume that they are the cause and it pumps them up.

Nothing like a former All-Pro to tell it like it is.

This doesn't matter on Denial Island. Got to love some poster. Where they use something like this to bolster their argument; Dan Orlovsky had a record of 3-23 in his career. Oh and that is over 12 seasons. That's 3 more wins than you or I.

lol, some people's children

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Add me to that list too.....

No one is saying Mac doesn't have potential. That's what happens when you get into a debate with someone who needs to twist their argument. They continue to twist it until they feel they have strengthened their point/s.

This was about Mac not being part of the current NE issues.

Like many, that poster back-pedalled to spin it multiple ways and after multiple slap downs started to change their opinion without actually owning it.

 

[sonnyblack65]

It goes on and on Sonny but some posters can't see the forest through the trees.

No doubt One is still looking for a brain, courage and heart were sold out. I ran into BB back in 2000, driving a horse cart , selling snake oil and had him clocked.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

No doubt One is still looking for a brain, courage and heart were sold out. I ran into BB back in 2000, driving a horse cart , selling snake oil and had him clocked.

This is the first year I really questioned some of BBs calls? I'm still on his bandwagon but inching closer to the exit.

I'm hoping for all of us this was just some crazy whim for him and that he realizes his fault? He's got pics and $ to right the ship.

Get some real coaches, be smart in FA and sure up that oline.

In Bill I still trust. I'm not ready to take a chance on someone else right now. I reserve my right to change after next season.

 

[nefansince75]

I never said he isn't or can't be a decent QB. I'd still turn the page and play Zappe this season just to see what they really have.

The island maybe should be named Denial Island? He didn't want to own that Mac was also part of the problem.

Don't forget they play a lot of football in practice. We saw some Zappe and the toy seemed shiney at first but tarnished a lot in that last appearance.

I didn't respond to defend anyone else's comments I only replied to the statement that only one person sees a future (paraphrased) for Mac. Again, not discounting your opinion, just clarifying that not just one person hasn't given up on Mac (antics and all).

 

[nefansince75]

Is it?

Maybe the 2nd part but certainly not the 1st part.

Both parts, unless you've spoken to his shrink. I'm agree he demonstrates actions in common with narcissists but with narcissism it's not as simple as "a bill and web feet, a duck". Control freaks demonstrate the behavior that Bill has too. Narcissists tend to want all focus on them and Bill does quite the opposite.