Lee signs 6 year extension

[jarntt]

He has shown to be injury prone. Now for me thats a problem. If Arakpo became a free agent, considering his injury history over the last two seasons, would you honestly be screaming for him?? Dont matter how talented a guy is if he misses an average of 4-6 games a season due to injuries. That for me is a deal breaker.

No I would not, but we are talking about Sean Lee, not Orakpo...

Interesting to hear that you do not want to resign Orakpo after Skins fan were talking about him being one of the big reasons your defense will be so much better this year.

 

[jarntt]

Just read my post. I worded it to appear as if Lee's total 2014 cap hit should be around $2M. I Meant that the $5.5M base cap hit would be reduced to around $2M. So $5.5M brought down to about $1M base and 1 year's worth of the 5 year proration of the bonus is another $1M. this would need to be added to the current $2M cap hit of the original bonus from his extension. So $7.5M total becomes about $4M. Just one example of how we could cut the cap if need be.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

8 year extension!!! Let's hope not...

Jerry is IN LOVE with Dez so I wouldn't doubt it, for the numbers to work it will be no less than 6 years; but I would say Dez would want this contract stuff behind him for good as he longs for stability in his life, something he did not have early on in his life.

One thing is for sure Dez is more of a lock to be on this team than Lee was. If I were to rank who we are going to keep out of the 2015 FA class the order would be:

1.) Dez
2.) T.Smith
3.) Carter
4.) Bailey
5.) Murray

Once again us keeping Murray all depends on what he does this season, and how he reacts to the contract offered, don't believe he has much room to go up there. Also if Murray kills it this season and doesn't have a new deal by week 4 of 2014 don't be shocked if he gets traded.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are full of complete horse shit if you buy into anything you just said bro. First off Lee has been more of a force on the field in his 3 seasons than Orakpo has been in his 4. Look at the game film and it is easy to see. Orakpo has declined every year since his rookie season, Orakpo is nothing more than a glorified Anthony Spencer who we all have said numerous times is ok to leave; but anyone who knows football would know that Lee is one of those players that you can't replace on your team, that it isn't just about numbers but so much more, and if you say you would not want him on your team you don't know football. Reason why most of us would not want or care about getting Orakpo as a FA is one as mentioned before he is nothing more than an Anthony Spencer that has been glorified due to his roots from UT and his rookie season, two his hate for the Boys, three his bad attitude. Saying you would not sign a player due to his injury history is like saying you wouldn't draft RG3 again or sign him again since he has torn his same knee up twice now in less than 4 years, or like saying you would not sign Adrian Peterson because he tore his knee up twice now. You would be the first person fired as a GM going by that logic. To be honest I can careless about your opinion; but it is obviously becoming more and more that instead of posting post with analytical observations, they are more about ATTEMPTING to knock every move Dallas does financially in a meager manner. At least go all out with it and just say I hate all things Cowboys and I hope ya'll are in cap hell for years to come; but don't knock the players we sign and act like you would not want Lee on your team if given the chance, because he would easily be the best player on your D if he was on it. I don't caught up in the back and forth b.s. so that is why I post what I post let you and others reply and ignore it, I post facts not opinions, but facts that I spent the time to research and know would be so, I don't say RG3 is done and won't be the player he was since he messed up his knee again, fact is I believe he will be due to his heart and the type of player he is, and if he isn't it's not because of the knee it'll be so much more than that. On that note the end I'm done.

Slow your roll Nets. I was asked an opinion based question. Would I have wanted Lee if he was a Free agent. My opinion is no, and injury history is why period. Same reason why I havent been clamoring for a new deal for Rak right now. Opinion isnt based on fact, it is opinion. I was asked if I wanted Lee. I said no, and gave my opinion why plain and simple. Never said he would fail, simply explained why I wasnt all hot and bothered over the possibility of Lee becoming a free agent.

 

[Sharkinva]

No I would not, but we are talking about Sean Lee, not Orakpo...

Interesting to hear that you do not want to resign Orakpo after Skins fan were talking about him being one of the big reasons your defense will be so much better this year.

Didnt say I dont want to resign him, but he needs to prove he can stay healthy and produce now after having two seasons impacted by injury. If he stays healthy he does make our defense better. If not, then its just wasted money and cap space. If he stays healthy and produces, Im all for resigning him. Just not right this moment.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Slow your roll Nets. I was asked an opinion based question. Would I have wanted Lee if he was a Free agent. My opinion is no, and injury history is why period. Same reason why I havent been clamoring for a new deal for Rak right now. Opinion isnt based on fact, it is opinion. I was asked if I wanted Lee. I said no, and gave my opinion why plain and simple. Never said he would fail, simply explained why I wasnt all hot and bothered over the possibility of Lee becoming a free agent.

Once again that is saying like you don't want RG3 or AP on your team due to their injury history. I'm glad the Dallas Mavericks didn't think that way about Tyson Chandler before trading for him and winning the NBA Championship that year. Who in the blue hell thinks of that? Injuries are part of the game, and I'll take Dez who has been injury prone over his career over any WR on your team, Lee who has been injury prone over any def. player on your team, and AP who has been injury prone over any player on your team.

 

[PDay8810]

football clueless redskin fans trump all
their obsession of all that is Dallas clouds their thinking

 

[Sharkinva]

Once again that is saying like you don't want RG3 or AP on your team due to their injury history. I'm glad the Dallas Mavericks didn't think that way about Tyson Chandler before trading for him and winning the NBA Championship that year. Who in the blue hell thinks of that? Injuries are part of the game, and I'll take Dez who has been injury prone over his career over any WR on your team, Lee who has been injury prone over any def. player on your team, and AP who has been injury prone over any player on your team.

If RG3 ends up with an injury history like Vicks, you will see me as being seriously against resigning him when the time comes. If AP were a free agent last year coming off the knee injury, I would have been seriously against giving him big money as a free agent. I wont get into a debate about if Lee is better than any player on our defense or not. Because once again thats opinion based. He is a very good player, when healthy. The fact that there needed to be injury clauses in his deal adds validity to the idea that he is injury prone. I have said all along if he stays on the field, this is a great move on field wise for Dallas. Cap wise, we will see in a couple of years.

 

[PDay8810]

"we are talking about Sean Lee, not Orakpo"

I sure am glad you started posting here. Common sense ain't so common when opinions are laced with kiss up pen pal shit this clown stared with a couple of cowboy fans who post a lot

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

If RG3 ends up with an injury history like Vicks, you will see me as being seriously against resigning him when the time comes. If AP were a free agent last year coming off the knee injury, I would have been seriously against giving him big money as a free agent. I wont get into a debate about if Lee is better than any player on our defense or not. Because once again thats opinion based. He is a very good player, when healthy. The fact that there needed to be injury clauses in his deal adds validity to the idea that he is injury prone. I have said all along if he stays on the field, this is a great move on field wise for Dallas. Cap wise, we will see in a couple of years.

If that happens than Washington will have made the dumbest trade in the history of the NFL. Trade 3 First and what a second to rent a guy for 4 Seasons? So excuse my language, but fuck the cap you set back your franchise by letting that guy walk, can I get you an application to be GM of the Skins please? Y'all will have the most cap space ever with no talent. Btw don't teams have to spend 97% of the cap space every year starting next season or 2015 season? If this is the case well the cap outlook will look a lot different than what it is now and we will be on par.

 

[Sharkinva]

If that happens than Washington will have made the dumbest trade in the history of the NFL. Trade 3 First and what a second to rent a guy for 4 Seasons? So excuse my language, but fuck the cap you set back your franchise by letting that guy walk, can I get you an application to be GM of the Skins please? Y'all will have the most cap space ever with no talent. Btw don't teams have to spend 97% of the cap space every year starting next season or 2015 season? If this is the case well the cap outlook will look a lot different than what it is now and we will be on par.

Yep, if that happens then it turned out to be a very bad trade. But you dont sink more money into an injury prone player to justify a bad trade. And yes, teams will have to spend the higher amount, but it doesnt become a wash if you have 1/2 your cap tied up into players over 30. Thats just bad cap management no matter what team you are.

 

[PDay8810]

winning a championship is the only thing that matters

all the so-called bad signings and sure cap hell means nothing if the goal is reached.
The Lee signing is a good thing no matter the spin a redskin puts on it

way to much talk about nothing at all and why football can't get here fast enough for me.

 

[Earl Stevens]

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Yep, if that happens then it turned out to be a very bad trade. But you dont sink more money into an injury prone player to justify a bad trade. And yes, teams will have to spend the higher amount, but it doesnt become a wash if you have 1/2 your cap tied up into players over 30. Thats just bad cap management no matter what team you are.

The 2015 season with the way this roster is made up of, will only have a max of 4 players on that are over 30 Romo, Witten, Ware, and L.P. Ladouceur.

Players cut before or by 2015 that would be 30

Rat (Cut 2015)
Miles (Cut 2015)
Livings (Cut 2014)
Mac B (Cut 2014)
Orton (Cut 2014)
Spencer (FA)
Free (FA or Cut)
Hatcher (FA)
Cook (Cut this year probably)
Jeris Pendleton (Cut this year probably)
Sims (FA, possible keep)
Frampton, Bell, Rasario, Armstrong, Cohen (FA or cut this season)

So you were saying? By 2015 the way our cap is, it's going to force us into drafting well and getting younger, with only a few players of Romo, Ware, and possibly Witten (who I believe maybe cut 2015). So look at the cap negative all you want, and I will continue to look at it the way I have, positive, and far from cap hell. Our 2015 roster will look like this:

Dez 26 just going into beginning of prime years
Lee 29 still in prime years
Smith 24 still not in prime years as a LT
Mo Clay 25 Still not in prime years
Church 27 still in prime
Frederick 24 still not in prime years
Carter 27 Just in prime
Escobar or Hanna 24 not in prime years or 26 just in prime years
Murray just in prime years
T Will 25 not in prime
Wilcox or Matt Johnson 26 just in prime
Crawford 25 not in prime yet
Leary 26 Just in prime
Dan Bailey 27 Not in prime for a kicker
Chris Johnson 26 Not in Prime for punter
Kyle Wilber 26 Just in prime

Just named at least 16 of our 22 projected starters for the 2015 season, possibly and more likely probably 17 if Witten is cut than both Escobar and Hanna start, and they are all under 30, and with the exception of Lee 27 or younger. So whose cap will be half tied into 30 year old players or older? Skins maybe? Not ours buddy, hate to break it to you

Even more so, your telling me that between now and 2015 you only have to find 4 total players max in the draft to start and I'd say we are very well off, and it could possibly be less:

Positions of need

SOLB- Holloman may be able to win this role by 2015 and would only be 24, sure is looking the part so far
RG- So far need to draft a player
RT- Same as above
DT- If Bass turns into a player many think he will be he starts and would only be 25, or Lissy could be and would only be 27, if not draft a player.

2015 Roster

QB Romo 35
RB Murray 27
WR Dez 26
WR TWill 25
TE Escobar 24
TE Hanna 26
LT Smith 24
LG Leary 26
C Frederick 26
RG ?
RT ?
LE Wilber 26
DT Crawford 25
DT ?
DE Ware 33
WOLB Carter 27
MLB Lee 29
SOLB Holloman 24 or ?
CB Carr 29
CB Mo Clay 25
FS Johnson or Wilcox 26
SS Church 27
K Bailey 27
P Johnson 26
LS Ladouceur 34

If you look at the roster only 2 players that are starters are over 30 and only 4 are 29 or older, the rest will more than likely be rookies or a possible vet here or there, 3 if Witten is still on the roster. Word of advice stick to the Skins roster, not the Boys I have it taken care of over here, that would be like me going to the Skins board and making proclamations about your teams cap and future roster outlook.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

how old is Selvie? I am getting a good feeling about that guy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nets, I know I wont convince you of anything, So Im going to just say this and then bow out of this thread


three months ago Cowboys nation swore up and down Free would be cut. You are forced to rely on cuts and restructures simply to become cap compliant over the next season or more. At some point most outside of Cowboys nation see it catching up... not because its just Cowboy hate... but because it has happened before to multiple teams.


Peace

 

[Earl Stevens]

The 2015 season with the way this roster is made up of, will only have a max of 4 players on that are over 30 Romo, Witten, Ware, and L.P. Ladouceur.

Players cut before or by 2015 that would be 30

Rat (Cut 2015)
Miles (Cut 2015)
Livings (Cut 2014)
Mac B (Cut 2014)
Orton (Cut 2014)
Spencer (FA)
Free (FA or Cut)
Hatcher (FA)
Cook (Cut this year probably)
Jeris Pendleton (Cut this year probably)
Sims (FA, possible keep)
Frampton, Bell, Rasario, Armstrong, Cohen (FA or cut this season)

So you were saying? By 2015 the way our cap is, it's going to force us into drafting well and getting younger, with only a few players of Romo, Ware, and possibly Witten (who I believe maybe cut 2015). So look at the cap negative all you want, and I will continue to look at it the way I have, positive, and far from cap hell. Our 2015 roster will look like this:

Dez 26 just going into beginning of prime years
Lee 29 still in prime years
Smith 24 still not in prime years as a LT
Mo Clay 25 Still not in prime years
Church 27 still in prime
Frederick 24 still not in prime years
Carter 27 Just in prime
Escobar or Hanna 24 not in prime years or 26 just in prime years
Murray just in prime years
T Will 25 not in prime
Wilcox or Matt Johnson 26 just in prime
Crawford 25 not in prime yet
Leary 26 Just in prime
Dan Bailey 27 Not in prime for a kicker
Chris Johnson 26 Not in Prime for punter
Kyle Wilber 26 Just in prime

Just named at least 16 of our 22 projected starters for the 2015 season, possibly and more likely probably 17 if Witten is cut than both Escobar and Hanna start, and they are all under 30, and with the exception of Lee 27 or younger. So whose cap will be half tied into 30 year old players or older? Skins maybe? Not ours buddy, hate to break it to you

Even more so, your telling me that between now and 2015 you only have to find 4 total players max in the draft to start and I'd say we are very well off, and it could possibly be less:

Positions of need

SOLB- Holloman may be able to win this role by 2015 and would only be 24, sure is looking the part so far
RG- So far need to draft a player
RT- Same as above
DT- If Bass turns into a player many think he will be he starts and would only be 25, or Lissy could be and would only be 27, if not draft a player.

2015 Roster

QB Romo 35
RB Murray 27
WR Dez 26
WR TWill 25
TE Escobar 24
TE Hanna 26
LT Smith 24
LG Leary 26
C Frederick 26
RG ?
RT ?
LE Wilber 26
DT Crawford 25
DT ?
DE Ware 33
WOLB Carter 27
MLB Lee 29
SOLB Holloman 24 or ?
CB Carr 29
CB Mo Clay 25
FS Johnson or Wilcox 26
SS Church 27
K Bailey 27
P Johnson 26
LS Ladouceur 34

If you look at the roster only 2 players that are starters are over 30 and only 4 are 29 or older, the rest will more than likely be rookies or a possible vet here or there, 3 if Witten is still on the roster. Word of advice stick to the Skins roster, not the Boys I have it taken care of over here, that would be like me going to the Skins board and making proclamations about your teams cap and future roster outlook.

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[NetsGotBanned21]

Nets, I know I wont convince you of anything, So Im going to just say this and then bow out of this thread


three months ago Cowboys nation swore up and down Free would be cut. You are forced to rely on cuts and restructures simply to become cap compliant over the next season or more. At some point most outside of Cowboys nation see it catching up... not because its just Cowboy hate... but because it has happened before to multiple teams.


Peace

Cowboys nation can say what they want, I said what would happen and it did happen the way I said it would. Go look up at Disney or ask anyone here that recalls that. I have been spot on when it comes to this not because I am all knowing, but because I've done my own research and am blessed to know a few people that work for the team. Like I said I would never make the same proclamations about the skins as I do the boys because I don't have the same resources nor time, or energy to do so.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

...

Earl what's that mean?

 

[Earl Stevens]

Earl what's that mean?

Because your post is something everybody should read.