Lee signs 6 year extension

[NetsGotBanned21]

Because your post is something everybody should read.

Ok thx

 

[tw1st3d]

Nets Can't say I agree with everything you said... But I agree with most of it.

Here's a few I know. Cowboys and Spencer both have stated he will be gone after this season. As for his replacement it's Crawford.
I think this may be J Ratts last season. Rather than cut in 2015 (or after 2014)
Hatcher has also stated he is likely gone after the season. He spoke real high of Bass. Had nothing bad to say. And understands he likely wont return to Dallas.
Lots of post on here since I posted last and alot was said in there... LOL I did read most of them except the ones that got dumb then I just skipped it.
Nice read on this very thing on the Cowboys website. Today in fact. Which states the Cowboys are the only team with a clear direction in the future. Closest other than them is Washington but Philly and the Giants are soon to be pretty screwed.
2015 Redskin have alot of players to resign. So Shark you might want to worry about your own 2015 situation.
RG3 if he continues on pace will demand a HUGE contract.
If Morris continues on pace another HUGE contract.
Fletcher wont be there in 2015.
you still have no #1 receiver
A TE the skins only brought back because they dont have another behind him. Neither side really wants him there.

Meanwhile the Cowboys are planning to do exactly what Nets was saying. Keep the youth core intact and drafting well rather than building through FA. (which is going to make some Cowboy fans cry.... but not this one)
As far as Lee's injuries go... He flat out said in his interview. He gets hurt he doesn't get paid. Fair deal for both sides. THERE ARE INJURY CLAUSES IN IT. VERY SAFE CONTRACT!
As much as you say Smith will demand a huge contract. I don't think that is the case. At this point he is not a dominate LT. He has room to improve and grow... but is not what would be considered dominate and short of that he's not going to get the highest paid at his position money.
Dez will work whatever deal he needs to so he can remain in Dallas. In fact if he jumps at more money from another team he is dumb. No other team will be willing to do all the Cowboys have to keep him out of trouble and ensure his success. He could very well turn into another Hayneworth for another team (depending on which team) and that is going to factor in on any bidding war that may happen... And he knows it.
Witten will NEVER be cut. He may restructure... He will NEVER play for another team. That's a fact.

I'm with Nets on the only wildcard in the mix being Murray. He has to stay healthy for one. And also any potential bidding war for him will be based on the fact that he has had injury issues. Not going to be a top paid guy either.

The youth core of this team is staying intact. Bad sign for the rest of the NFC East

 

[UK Cowboy]

Don't forget about the part about how the Skids would drive the price up so the Boyz couldn't sign him, there is one idiot there claiming the Skids drove the price up.... There are a bunch of whiney bitches over there, and they have just voted one of the most sensitive ones a MOD, yeah the one who couldn't man up to you....

#Fuck the Catfish AKA Skids!!!!!

Thats exactly right. I would be the first one to say I was wrong if Lee had left Dallas, but my 3 year old new he was a Cowboy. They are proven wrong THE NEXT DAY, and they call me a troll? With all the crap Skins fans say on Cowboys sites? Whatever

 

[negativeCreep]

Saw this last night and to be honest - I may have 'came' a little. He's worth every cent imo.

 

[Manster7588]

Nets, I know I wont convince you of anything, So Im going to just say this and then bow out of this thread


three months ago Cowboys nation swore up and down Free would be cut. You are forced to rely on cuts and restructures simply to become cap compliant over the next season or more. At some point most outside of Cowboys nation see it catching up... not because its just Cowboy hate... but because it has happened before to multiple teams.


Peace

Had Free not lowered his salary Cowboy's" nation would have been right. Just last week Redskins Nation had Lee in Washington next season.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Nets Can't say I agree with everything you said... But I agree with most of it.

Here's a few I know. Cowboys and Spencer both have stated he will be gone after this season. As for his replacement it's Crawford.
I think this may be J Ratts last season. Rather than cut in 2015 (or after 2014)
Hatcher has also stated he is likely gone after the season. He spoke real high of Bass. Had nothing bad to say. And understands he likely wont return to Dallas.
Lots of post on here since I posted last and alot was said in there... LOL I did read most of them except the ones that got dumb then I just skipped it.
Nice read on this very thing on the Cowboys website. Today in fact. Which states the Cowboys are the only team with a clear direction in the future. Closest other than them is Washington but Philly and the Giants are soon to be pretty screwed.
2015 Redskin have alot of players to resign. So Shark you might want to worry about your own 2015 situation.
RG3 if he continues on pace will demand a HUGE contract.
If Morris continues on pace another HUGE contract.
Fletcher wont be there in 2015.
you still have no #1 receiver
A TE the skins only brought back because they dont have another behind him. Neither side really wants him there.

Meanwhile the Cowboys are planning to do exactly what Nets was saying. Keep the youth core intact and drafting well rather than building through FA. (which is going to make some Cowboy fans cry.... but not this one)
As far as Lee's injuries go... He flat out said in his interview. He gets hurt he doesn't get paid. Fair deal for both sides. THERE ARE INJURY CLAUSES IN IT. VERY SAFE CONTRACT!
As much as you say Smith will demand a huge contract. I don't think that is the case. At this point he is not a dominate LT. He has room to improve and grow... but is not what would be considered dominate and short of that he's not going to get the highest paid at his position money.
Dez will work whatever deal he needs to so he can remain in Dallas. In fact if he jumps at more money from another team he is dumb. No other team will be willing to do all the Cowboys have to keep him out of trouble and ensure his success. He could very well turn into another Hayneworth for another team (depending on which team) and that is going to factor in on any bidding war that may happen... And he knows it.
Witten will NEVER be cut. He may restructure... He will NEVER play for another team. That's a fact.

I'm with Nets on the only wildcard in the mix being Murray. He has to stay healthy for one. And also any potential bidding war for him will be based on the fact that he has had injury issues. Not going to be a top paid guy either.

The youth core of this team is staying intact. Bad sign for the rest of the NFC East

If Jerry cut Emmett and TO he will cut anyone trust me Witten is only as safe as his production and pay takes him. Think like this, both Hanna and Escobar make a total together of 1.75MM in 2015 where as Witten as of now before any restructures in 2014 happen makes 8.5MM and would save 3MM to cut out right. I don't want him gone but this team is thinking like the Pats, which is great, no man once their time is safe. Unless Witten pulls a Doug Free and cuts his base for the remaining years in more than half for free, than he is gone.

 

[tw1st3d]

If Jerry cut Emmett and TO he will cut anyone trust me Witten is only as safe as his production and pay takes him. Think like this, both Hanna and Escobar make a total together of 1.75MM in 2015 where as Witten as of now before any restructures in 2014 happen makes 8.5MM and would save 3MM to cut out right. I don't want him gone but this team is thinking like the Pats, which is great, no man once their time is safe. Unless Witten pulls a Doug Free and cuts his base for the remaining years in more than half for free, than he is gone.

Hanna is stinking it up in camp ( no saying that cause I dont like him .. which I dont... but it's a fact)
Escobar even looks like a player before season starts and hanna is our 3RD TE

Can't block can't catch ... 40 time for a TE is ALL he brings to the table

I repeat Witten is going no where... He's a TE with a 1,000 yard a year ALWAYS potential .. and not 3 TEs on this team can EQUAL his production much less out perform it COMBINED

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Hanna is stinking it up in camp ( no saying that cause I dont like him .. which I dont... but it's a fact)
Escobar even looks like a player before season starts and hanna is our 3RD TE

Can't block can't catch ... 40 time for a TE is ALL he brings to the table

I repeat Witten is going no where... He's a TE with a 1,000 yard a year ALWAYS potential .. and not 3 TEs on this team can EQUAL his production much less out perform it COMBINED

Two years make a lot of difference, I've heard different bout Hanna, and if you give Escobar and Hanna Wittens targets they could combine to produce his stats easily by 2015 when Witten will be 33. We will see though two years isn't to long.

 

[Manster7588]

Hanna is stinking it up in camp ( no saying that cause I dont like him .. which I dont... but it's a fact)
Escobar even looks like a player before season starts and hanna is our 3RD TE

Can't block can't catch ... 40 time for a TE is ALL he brings to the table

I repeat Witten is going no where... He's a TE with a 1,000 yard a year ALWAYS potential .. and not 3 TEs on this team can EQUAL his production much less out perform it COMBINED

I just can't hate on Hanna right now because I'm pissed off with the Escobar pick. All I can say is he BETTER play his way into multiple Pro Bowls. Fucking wasted pick for when we took ham and the lack of a damn need.

 

[tw1st3d]

Two years make a lot of difference, I've heard different bout Hanna, and if you give Escobar and Hanna Wittens targets they could combine to produce his stats easily by 2015 when Witten will be 33. We will see though two years isn't to long.

This is just going to be one we never agree on ...


Hanna is a bust ... and a wasted pick that had a few good games (mark my words on that) If I'm wrong by all means throw it in my face later... dy oh damn he aint worth a fuckont think I am ... drafting a TE as early as we did ... coaches are probably thinking like I am as well .... How many years did we waste pm IS? He aint even in the damn league no more ... over fucking 40 speed

Maybe I'll stand alone on this one ...
Find it hard to believe this coaching staff would take a TE so high if they had any faith whatsoever in Hannah......
There is a time to be a homer .. and there is a time to look and say he aint worth a fuck

 

[Manster7588]

Maybe I'll stand alone on this one ...
Find it hard to believe this coaching staff would take a TE so high if they had any faith whatsoever in Hannah......

As much as I hate the Escober pick, I have considered this. But I still think taking any TE in the 1st 3 round this year was butt stupid.

 

[tw1st3d]

As much as I hate the Escober pick, I have considered this. But I still think taking any TE in the 1st 3 round this year was butt stupid.

I do not disagree..... Hated it still hate it

but all camp reports are Hanna sucks .....

I try to find a bright spot .... There is a reason we took a TE so high..... and that reason isnt because Witten is about to go

1000 yard TEs dont grow on trees.....

 

[UK Cowboy]

If Jerry cut Emmett and TO he will cut anyone trust me Witten is only as safe as his production and pay takes him. Think like this, both Hanna and Escobar make a total together of 1.75MM in 2015 where as Witten as of now before any restructures in 2014 happen makes 8.5MM and would save 3MM to cut out right. I don't want him gone but this team is thinking like the Pats, which is great, no man once their time is safe. Unless Witten pulls a Doug Free and cuts his base for the remaining years in more than half for free, than he is gone.

As much as Jerry wants to win right now, this is the only reason I can think of that Escobar was taken in the 2nd. Witten, Spencer, Austin, all in danger IMO. Jerry will do anything and everything to keep besides Lee, TSmith, Carter, Dez, Claiborne and (if he can ever stay healthy)Murray on a 2nd deal

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

This is just going to be one we never agree on ...


Hanna is a bust ... and a wasted pick that had a few good games (mark my words on that) If I'm wrong by all means throw it in my face later... dy oh damn he aint worth a fuckont think I am ... drafting a TE as early as we did ... coaches are probably thinking like I am as well .... How many years did we waste pm IS? He aint even in the damn league no more ... over fucking 40 speed

Maybe I'll stand alone on this one ...
Find it hard to believe this coaching staff would take a TE so high if they had any faith whatsoever in Hannah......
There is a time to be a homer .. and there is a time to look and say he aint worth a fuck

You draft Escobar to make sure he is the guy to replace Witten, we have always been a 2 TE team, Hanna has a role here hate him or not. I promise you on this. Two years bro I promise, two years. Also Witten may get 1,000 yards every year, but at 33 in 2015 things could easily change and he will not be worth the 8.5MM cap hit he has that year, 1,000 yard TE or not, esp when we have two young TE's and will be tight against the cap. The 3MM in space he will create will be needed. By all means I want the guy on the team, but at the same time the way this team is moving and the way the cap will be without Witten taking a reduction in salary he will be cut. Also once again the Escobar pick was a pick that was done for the future not so much now, the team loves Hanna, and I mean loves him and sees him as a major part of this team for years to come, I have personally heard this from members of the organization.

One more thing if Witten does not pick up his YPC average getting 1,000 won't happen this year unless the WR's have injuries again. This team is better off with TWill who will take away targets from Witten and now our #3 Harris is our #4 as well as the team wants to run more 3TE sets which will give him less targets, oh and btw I promise you Dez will have more targets this season with Miles being healthy this year he will get more targets. I love Witten for so many more reasons than being a reliable target on third down. Anways I am just looking at it differently than you, and I know none of us want to see the guy go because he is a pro's pro, is a professional on and off the field, and works his butt off and never takes a play off, but like I said the only way he stays is if he takes a reduction in 2015 unfortunately

 

[PDay8810]

You guys know me from all the years posting together, and I have a pretty good read on some of you as well. It's hard not to converse this many years and not get a feel for the person on a particular topic....like this team. I must say since arriving at SportsHoopla there is some positioning going on and that's fine....you can refer to yourselves as cap experts all you want. Frankly, if you wanna invest the time to educate us on current who's making what kinda money, that's fine but to think you know who will be what and who will be gone is 2 or 3 years is comical.....not even the draft experts who get paid are this BOLD or cocky....pending one's own views reading your posts about all things Dallas cap. I've always found the article at season's end that explains that coming years cap, dead money, free agents and scenarios about the different possible restructures to be the most informative for the coming season.

nets.....you are a trip dude. You run this inside connection stuff and I still laugh out loud. I've said this before to you and will again here....I've had the Cowboys for a client since Jerry bought the team. Sat at conference tables in the early days with Jerry and known many people over the years with inside information. Twenty four years is a long time. My Dad worked for Landry for 15 years on game days. I've held many opinion conversations over the season's that didn't land me any such thing as the inside information you have claimed on many occasions here. Unlike you, I don't play this card cause the card ain't worth nothing when everyone sits behind a keyboard and can say they are this or they are that.....Who really cares? Is this about board stature or something? Sorry, not being an ass but the points are valid. I really do come to these sites to talk football, bounce off opinions and defend opinions against opinions I deem stupid. I have never received inside information of any kind and the professionals I've known wouldn't share such information. Now you seem to be near the age of my two oldest son's and if you have a buddy working video or something...he wasn't got any more than you are I. I seriously have to question anyone sitting inside coaches or management meetings that would share with a guy who takes that information to a internet chat board. IF that guy truly is there then he should be fired today. Just my opinion and trust me Nets....I like your football input and enjoyed the football debates over the years when they arrive. I could learn from you on how to conduct oneself here by not getting into the back & forth with troll opinions, BUT I don't what to do that. That remains a large part of the entertainment of posting on football chat board for me. I'm just not impressed with the reference that you have inside information and if you actually do....this is not the place to bring such claims. We should all be guys just talking football.....and with that...

"If Jerry cut Emmett and TO he will cut anyone trust me"

No way I trust your opinion here when Jerry's biggest problem has been his reluctance to let players go because of past performances. That was what Landry and Tex did better than any Cowboy management ever.... they turned the roster if you couldn't play at a high performance, no matter past accomplishments. Jerry falls in love with the players and many times that killed the development of quality younger players. Yes he allowed Emmitt to get the record but the business side finally kicked in and Emmitt had to go since he wanted to continue to play. Owens? LOL...he should never be used as a Cowboy example. He shoulda never been here and he sure as hell wasn't let go before his time.

Just my opinions....no disrespect intended

 

[Earl Stevens]

This is just going to be one we never agree on ...


Hanna is a bust ... and a wasted pick that had a few good games (mark my words on that) If I'm wrong by all means throw it in my face later... dy oh damn he aint worth a fuckont think I am ... drafting a TE as early as we did ... coaches are probably thinking like I am as well .... How many years did we waste pm IS? He aint even in the damn league no more ... over fucking 40 speed

Maybe I'll stand alone on this one ...
Find it hard to believe this coaching staff would take a TE so high if they had any faith whatsoever in Hannah......
There is a time to be a homer .. and there is a time to look and say he aint worth a fuck

Hanna was a 6th round pick.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

You guys know me from all the years posting together, and I have a pretty good read on some of you as well. It's hard not to converse this many years and not get a feel for the person on a particular topic....like this team. I must say since arriving at SportsHoopla there is some positioning going on and that's fine....you can refer to yourselves as cap experts all you want. Frankly, if you wanna invest the time to educate us on current who's making what kinda money, that's fine but to think you know who will be what and who will be gone is 2 or 3 years is comical.....not even the draft experts who get paid are this BOLD or cocky....pending one's own views reading your posts about all things Dallas cap. I've always found the article at season's end that explains that coming years cap, dead money, free agents and scenarios about the different possible restructures to be the most informative for the coming season.

nets.....you are a trip dude. You run this inside connection stuff and I still laugh out loud. I've said this before to you and will again here....I've had the Cowboys for a client since Jerry bought the team. Sat at conference tables in the early days with Jerry and known many people over the years with inside information. Twenty four years is a long time. My Dad worked for Landry for 15 years on game days. I've held many opinion conversations over the season's that didn't land me any such thing as the inside information you have claimed on many occasions here. Unlike you, I don't play this card cause the card ain't worth nothing when everyone sits behind a keyboard and can say they are this or they are that.....Who really cares? Is this about board stature or something? Sorry, not being an ass but the points are valid. I really do come to these sites to talk football, bounce off opinions and defend opinions against opinions I deem stupid. I have never received inside information of any kind and the professionals I've known wouldn't share such information. Now you seem to be near the age of my two oldest son's and if you have a buddy working video or something...he wasn't got any more than you are I. I seriously have to question anyone sitting inside coaches or management meetings that would share with a guy who takes that information to a internet chat board. IF that guy truly is there then he should be fired today. Just my opinion and trust me Nets....I like your football input and enjoyed the football debates over the years when they arrive. I could learn from you on how to conduct oneself here by not getting into the back & forth with troll opinions, BUT I don't what to do that. That remains a large part of the entertainment of posting on football chat board for me. I'm just not impressed with the reference that you have inside information and if you actually do....this is not the place to bring such claims. We should all be guys just talking football.....and with that...

"If Jerry cut Emmett and TO he will cut anyone trust me"

No way I trust your opinion here when Jerry's biggest problem has been his reluctance to let players go because of past performances. That was what Landry and Tex did better than any Cowboy management ever.... they turned the roster if you couldn't play at a high performance, no matter past accomplishments. Jerry falls in love with the players and many times that killed the development of quality younger players. Yes he allowed Emmitt to get the record but the business side finally kicked in and Emmitt had to go since he wanted to continue to play. Owens? LOL...he should never be used as a Cowboy example. He shoulda never been here and he sure as hell wasn't let go before his time.

Just my opinions....no disrespect intended

I have never released anything that would land any individuals that I know from a personal stand point into trouble. I was at valley ranch this past year when the scouts were making the draft board, saw it first hand, did not release any info. It is the nature of my business and the relationships I have built that land me information before hand. I personally do not care if you believe me or do not believe me, that is your choice, I don't get into who has the bigger dick debate online and you know that, largely in part because I know who I am in real life and this is just a form to talk about info. Nothing is for sure in sports, but I'd bet a whole lot that what I am saying is true, and it isn't because it's my opinion. I have nor ever will I release info that I am not suppose to release, for one it could land my friends out of a job, for two people trust me with it and I would not betray that trust, and for three it could hurt the team I love by giving others an advantage. I will be in Dallas next Thursday-Monday if you want to meet up I am fine by that, if you want proof I can give you that, no show of lights and magic around here I'm to old for that, do to well for myself for that, and to be honest at the end of the day I love myself to much presently to pretend to be anyone or anything I am not. To be honest bro my age does not limit me on the relationships I have built over the years I have friends that are twice my age, why only the Lord knows that lol, but they trust me, and they believe in what I do and in who I am, these are the people that matter to me, and as long as they trust me than I am fine.

I know what type of guy you are PDay, learned that a long time ago, I refuse to go back and forth with you, please by all means formulate your opinion of who I am, what I know, and the bull that I spew, and I will not argue with you one bit not in me to do, I'd rather spend the time being constructive and getting ahead in life

I don't and won't take what you say personally, for one if you knew me you would know I don't just say things to say them. And for two it's your opinion and you have the right to it. Thanks though for the post bro, always a pleasure reading your words

 

[Admiral David Robinson]

WHY??
So they can get him for half of those games.

 

[PDay8810]

I said my thing and it is what it is

 

[Schmoopy1000]

confused. When are we cutting Witten?

Someone said 1000 yd TEs don't grow on trees. While this is true, one thing even more rare. 1000 yd TEs that can block!
Thing that gives Witten longevity is he isn't relying on speed to get open & be successful. The guy looks like he is running in mud all the time. We wont cut Witten because he is older. We will keep him as long as he is our best TE. I don't see that changing anytime soon either. If all of a sudden he falls off. Sure I believe we would cut him. But he ran like an old person as a rookie. They thought similar thoughts about Tony Gonzalez when they sent him to the falcons. he only had a couple good years left. How long ago was that? Now they are begging the guy to not retire. With Wittens skill set (non speed) the only thing that would make him fall off quickly is an injury. if this was brought due to cap. I am sue they will rework his deal before cutting him, if he is still the playing at the level he is right now.

Escobar is a crappy draft pick, trying to make excuses why we did that so early in the draft is ridiculous. if hanna doesn't work out so be it. Wasn't he a late rd pick anyways?