Lee signs 6 year extension

[jarntt]

You got that wrong. Signing bonus can only be spread over five years. Here is a look at Lees contract numbers after the new deal. With cap hits for eeach year.

» Over the Cap- Sean Lee Salary Cap Page

Side note: Correct on the 5 years, a lot of people don't know that one.

I'm still waiting for all the official #'s to be confirmed, but If the only guaranteed money is the $10.3M, Lee will be redone next year to lower that $5.5M base - look for his 2014 cap hit to end up around $2M. I agree with you on the cap hole we are digging and have been talking about it for a while. Where I disagree is when you state that it will stop us from doing something in any one particular year or signing one particular player. It is simple for us to clear space in 2014 or any other year and history has proven we are interested in doing that regardless of the long term cap impact. The problem (and I think this is where we agree) is that the cap dollars never go away unless you cut a guy. I am all for just letting guys go when they don't play to their salary. If you are too tight agaisnt your cap, you can't do this and it becomes a vicious circle, because the more you restructure, the more you need to restructure again. So a lot of this 2014 hit should have been absorbed in prior years and the restructures we WILL DO to get under the cap will just move money into 2015, 2016, etc. Where most are wrong IMO is thinking that just because we were able to do something, that it proves there is no problem. I'll say it again, we just kick hte can down hte road. Since we are always up against the cap, we are stuck keeping players because of their cap hits at times instead of cutting and starting over. Maybe we ended up with guys like Livings and Bernadeau because that's who we could afford. I don't expect it to change and I don't expect us to lose Dez because of it either. Spencer will be gone, but the last two years showed we really weren't too worried about him any way (to answer your question his likely replacement is already on the roster and out for the year).

While the intricacies of the cap baffle even the experts on the teams at times, the cap overall is pretty simple; it's really just Math. It's easy to move the money around. The key to us turning around our cap concerns is better drafting and we have done that the last few years.

 

[Sharkinva]

Side note: Correct on the 5 years, a lot of people don't know that one.

I'm still waiting for all the official #'s to be confirmed, but If the only guaranteed money is the $10.3M, Lee will be redone next year to lower that $5.5M base - look for his 2014 cap hit to end up around $2M. I agree with you on the cap hole we are digging and have been talking about it for a while. Where I disagree is when you state that it will stop us from doing something in any one particular year or signing one particular player. It is simple for us to clear space in 2014 or any other year and history has proven we are interested in doing that regardless of the long term cap impact. The problem (and I think this is where we agree) is that the cap dollars never go away unless you cut a guy. I am all for just letting guys go when they don't play to their salary. If you are too tight agaisnt your cap, you can't do this and it becomes a vicious circle, because the more you restructure, the more you need to restructure again. So a lot of this 2014 hit should have been absorbed in prior years and the restructures we WILL DO to get under the cap will just move money into 2015, 2016, etc. Where most are wrong IMO is thinking that just because we were able to do something, that it proves there is no problem. I'll say it again, we just kick hte can down hte road. Since we are always up against the cap, we are stuck keeping players because of their cap hits at times instead of cutting and starting over. Maybe we ended up with guys like Livings and Bernadeau because that's who we could afford. I don't expect it to change and I don't expect us to lose Dez because of it either. Spencer will be gone, but the last two years showed we really weren't too worried about him any way (to answer your question his likely replacement is already on the roster and out for the year).

While the intricacies of the cap baffle even the experts on the teams at times, the cap overall is pretty simple; it's really just Math. It's easy to move the money around. The key to us turning around our cap concerns is better drafting and we have done that the last few years.

jarntt... I have never said it will prevent Dallas from keeping or signing players they want. I do think the bill comes due at some point. And where i think it comes due actually is in the form of Dallas at some point having to carry a player or two thats past their prime simply because cutting said player or players would hurt the teams ability to do other things. I dont expect you guys to lose Dez or any one else, but you will continue to carry guys because of the cost of releasing them.

 

[jarntt]

That is true and needing to bring in a "C" player instead of a "B" player at times will also be true. I think the situation is worse than most Cowboys fans portray because they just see us sigining all of our guys and 'thus there is no issue', but I also think the situation is better than what other fans portray because we keep moving on. Again though, if we draft well these problems are easily overcome and if we draft poorly, these problems will intensify. But, that really is the case with every team...

 

[Sharkinva]

That is true and needing to bring in a "C" player instead of a "B" player at times will also be true. I think the situation is worse than most Cowboys fans portray because they just see us sigining all of our guys and 'thus there is no issue', but I also think the situation is better than what other fans portray because we keep moving on. Again though, if we draft well these problems are easily overcome and if we draft poorly, these problems will intensify. But, that really is the case with every team...

Agreed. All it really does is put Dallas in a position where they have to draft exceptionally well. A missed pick or three could screw the whole thing. So the question becomes... do you trust Jerry to draft well?

 

[PDay8810]

Agreed. All it really does is put Dallas in a position where they have to draft exceptionally well. A missed pick or three could screw the whole thing. So the question becomes... do you trust Jerry to draft well?

You're shit is tiresome...you spin around and at the end, you say nothing at all. So now it's up to how Jerry drafts. No shit Sherlock and that ain't all on Jerry, it also falls on the coach/scout that has his ear. You been reading way to much Post IF you think Jerry pulls that large of ego and actually makes all draft picks. Yesterday on the skids board Dallas is doomed but today here,???well, better draft well.

LOL...earth to skidmark...that's true of all teams.

You are what you are, and like bovey....playing games here at SportsHoopla that was NEVER played before and all because of ONE season.

That's the truth and I'm sticking with it

piss-ant you say?....LOL, you sure are and this act shows it very well

 

[PDay8810]

Isn't that kinda the problem... Jerry always gets his man but is it the "right" man?

Now Kevin here is a grounded football fan. Redskin fan but no games...sports talk

so I'll ask you Sir....do you think Jerry pulls the cord on all picks as the mad scientist?
I think Jerry has input and will settle any ties if that's the case but no way he's drafting every pick here. If anything, it's who has positioned themselves the best among the coaches and scouts. WHO does Jerry value most that particular draft.

Let me ask you something about that RIGHT GUY reference. Are you referring to Romo are is there other RECENT examples you're think of? I say recent cause the redskin fans ONLY wanna go back through Shanny term. Seems fair for Dallas as well and I think Dallas has drafted pretty darn well the last 3/4 drafts

 

[Manster7588]

Honestly... not really. He has missed 13 games the last three years. Did I want Dallas to resign him?? Not really. But I really wasnt pressed to have him. Love the contract though.

By reading the Washington FA thread on your page, you appear to be on an island here.

 

[PDay8810]

By reading the Washington FA thread on your page, you appear to be on an island here.

Thank you for at the very least seeing that much

like bovey....it's a new game and their shit ain't consistent

 

[Sharkinva]

By reading the Washington FA thread on your page, you appear to be on an island here.

Manster, the question was did I want him. And i answered honestly that he wasnt one of those guys I figured the Skins should go after if available. Then again I generally dont speculate on guys that MIGHT be available a year from now in FA. Not saying Lee is a bad player, but just wasnt the guy I wanted. Rather we address the position in the draft primarily truth be told.

 

[Eastbay]

Thank you for at the very least seeing that much

like bovey....it's a new game and their shit ain't consistent

Cowboys fan are frowned upon for posting on any thread on their board other than the trash talking thread, but yet the are constantly here in our threads and we also have a trash talking thread. These Mods need to get on the same page.......

 

[PDay8810]

Cowboys fan are frowned upon for posting on any thread on their board other than the trash talking thread, but yet the are constantly here in our threads and we also have a trash talking thread. These Mods need to get on the same page.......

it's tiresome and the football opinions are weak
never did these clowns post this much on a Dallas board, BUT then one 10-6 season happens and it's open season. No question MOST play by a different set of rules between the two boards. I actually value a few redskin fans opinions on football, they seem to be able to look beyond all that is Dallas

 

[Manster7588]

Manster, the question was did I want him. And i answered honestly that he wasnt one of those guys I figured the Skins should go after if available. Then again I generally dont speculate on guys that MIGHT be available a year from now in FA. Not saying Lee is a bad player, but just wasnt the guy I wanted. Rather we address the position in the draft primarily truth be told.

Not saying you weren't truthful. Judt pointing out the fact that not one other Skin fan said they didn't want him and every one besides you, who did say one way or another flat out said they wanted him. Infact I think Lee was the overwhelming #1 choice if he hit the FA market.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not saying you weren't truthful. Judt pointing out the fact that not one other Skin fan said they didn't want him and every one besides you, who did say one way or another flat out said they wanted him. Infact I think Lee was the overwhelming #1 choice if he hit the FA market.

Yep, alot of posters seemed to have wanted him. Again personally I didnt. Jerry seems to sign alot of guys that would be elite... if they can stay healthy. To me Lee thus far fits into this group. Which would be my only ding against him. But thats a pretty big ding in my book. Its also why I kind of hope the Skins dont jump the gun on Rak at this point. He needs to prove he can stay healthy in light of recent seasons injuries.

 

[jarntt]

I'm not sure if you really wanted Lee or not, but I am sure that you should have wanted him.

 

[snookdad]

I've said that we keep Dez, Smith, and Carter who all come due 2015. Murray is the wild card here, depends on his play, health, and how much he wants to be here. This is his prove it year. I would say Dez gets a 8 year extension, thanks Jerry for taking a chance on him, gives him a discount, and signs for 8 years 104MM probably 36MM guaranteed:


Base Bonus Cap Hit
2015 2MM 6MM 8MM
2016 4MM 6MM 10MM
2017 5MM 6MM 11MM
2018 8MM 6MM 14MM
2019 10MM 6MM 16MM
2020 12MM 6MM 18MM
2021 12MM 0MM 12MM
2022 15MM 0MM 15MM


Gives us room at the beginning of the deal and flexibility to restructure in future years with the 7th and 8th years being without guaranteed money. It's more guaranteed money than Calvin got, and is a deal that would not hold us hostage. It's also a bigger average annually than Mike Wallace got 12MM for Wallace and 13MM a year for Dez. Very realistic contract, that by my numbers could work in 2015.

Thanx Nets. You think Hatcher Becomes a cap casualty. I think he's quietly become the most durable and consistent player on the Entire defense. I would love to keep him. I love his versatility.

 

[PDay8810]

I'm not sure if you really wanted Lee or not, but I am sure that you should have wanted him.

lol...that's the football opinions are weak department.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm not sure if you really wanted Lee or not, but I am sure that you should have wanted him.

He has shown to be injury prone. Now for me thats a problem. If Arakpo became a free agent, considering his injury history over the last two seasons, would you honestly be screaming for him?? Dont matter how talented a guy is if he misses an average of 4-6 games a season due to injuries. That for me is a deal breaker.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Thanx Nets. You think Hatcher Becomes a cap casualty. I think he's quietly become the most durable and consistent player on the Entire defense. I would love to keep him. I love his versatility.

No problem, this is just a base doubt numbers will be exact to this, could be lower could be a little higher depinding on how the WR FA market goes this coming offseason. Hatcher unless he takes a paycut will be gone 2014 as a FA with Spencer, and Rat will be gone the following year. Your 2014 line will be as of now Crawford/Wilber, Lissy/Bass/Crawford, Rat, Ware

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

He has shown to be injury prone. Now for me thats a problem. If Arakpo became a free agent, considering his injury history over the last two seasons, would you honestly be screaming for him?? Dont matter how talented a guy is if he misses an average of 4-6 games a season due to injuries. That for me is a deal breaker.

You are full of complete horse shit if you buy into anything you just said bro. First off Lee has been more of a force on the field in his 3 seasons than Orakpo has been in his 4. Look at the game film and it is easy to see. Orakpo has declined every year since his rookie season, Orakpo is nothing more than a glorified Anthony Spencer who we all have said numerous times is ok to leave; but anyone who knows football would know that Lee is one of those players that you can't replace on your team, that it isn't just about numbers but so much more, and if you say you would not want him on your team you don't know football. Reason why most of us would not want or care about getting Orakpo as a FA is one as mentioned before he is nothing more than an Anthony Spencer that has been glorified due to his roots from UT and his rookie season, two his hate for the Boys, three his bad attitude. Saying you would not sign a player due to his injury history is like saying you wouldn't draft RG3 again or sign him again since he has torn his same knee up twice now in less than 4 years, or like saying you would not sign Adrian Peterson because he tore his knee up twice now. You would be the first person fired as a GM going by that logic. To be honest I can careless about your opinion; but it is obviously becoming more and more that instead of posting post with analytical observations, they are more about ATTEMPTING to knock every move Dallas does financially in a meager manner. At least go all out with it and just say I hate all things Cowboys and I hope ya'll are in cap hell for years to come; but don't knock the players we sign and act like you would not want Lee on your team if given the chance, because he would easily be the best player on your D if he was on it. I don't caught up in the back and forth b.s. so that is why I post what I post let you and others reply and ignore it, I post facts not opinions, but facts that I spent the time to research and know would be so, I don't say RG3 is done and won't be the player he was since he messed up his knee again, fact is I believe he will be due to his heart and the type of player he is, and if he isn't it's not because of the knee it'll be so much more than that. On that note the end I'm done.

 

[jarntt]

8 year extension!!! Let's hope not...