Mobley signs 5 Year Contract Extension

[dtgold88]

That’s just rumor. You habitually dismiss rumor when it doesn’t fit your narrative. You’re not gonna use it now.

These are peoples opinions about where Love (and then Mitchell) want to go. Not exactly the same as a trade rumor. Would think you'd know the difference but maybe not.

If you were among the many who were certain or near certain Mitchell was gone that's cool. ust own it and move on.

 

[dtgold88]

I don’t really give a fuck about your defense because it doesn’t matter and it’s all just excuse making. The Cavs will never compete without a huge leap from Mobley.

uh....OK? did someone say otherwise?

are you saying Mobley WAS the reason we fell short of ECF or a title?

 

[dtgold88]

So, the last time I said a guy didn’t deserve his deal was Jalen Brunson.

So, I’m just gonna sit this one out.

Is Mobley a max player now?

No.

Neither is Barnes or Franz Wagner.

Of the 3, Mobley has max level talent….imo

So let’s give it a few more years.

hard to disagree with that. I mean, really, only current elite guys SHOULD be max players. But as we know that's just not how it goes in the NBA.

I guess I'd rather pay an ascending guy based on what he could be, though, than a regressing guy for what he has done (that goes to not just Mobley)

 

[dtgold88]

Man, no one is even mentioning Cade got paid too
He’s put up good numbers, but not wins.
What’s your feelings on him getting the bag?
Pistons had no choice, but, to me, he’s still got A LOT to prove.

didn't ask me but my feelings the same as yours, I think. May not have earned it yet but any team gives it to him.

 

[dtgold88]

Maybe it was because of the personnel that he had but Atkinson seemed to play your turn my turn iso ball with DLo, Dinwiddie, LaVert quite a bit. I don’t recall there being a whole lot of ball and player movement. It was a lot of matchup basketball.

Mobley being 7 foot but highly skilled should be a major option in that scheme. He has to be assertive though and that’s the big task Kenny has.

agree with a lot of that but wont put it on coach as much as you....much of that assertiveness needs to come from within IMO. And he's still young so it might.

 

[fightinfunbags]

uh....OK? did someone say otherwise?

are you saying Mobley WAS the reason we fell short of ECF or a title?

Kind of. I’m saying that a team whose number 1 is nothing but a volume chucker isn’t built to win a championship in the NBA. If Mobley becomes their best player then the Cavs should be taken seriously.

 

[dtgold88]

Kind of. I’m saying that a team whose number 1 is nothing but a volume chucker isn’t built to win a championship in the NBA. If Mobley becomes their best player then the Cavs should be taken seriously.

He was arguably the best player on the court for both teams in the Celtic series. Maybe not having Allen and then the volume chucker as opposed to the way Mobley was used/played (and the Cs being really good) was a bigger reason we lost?

But no doubt the guy who is likely 3-5 years from his prime seasons needs to improve.

 

[fightinfunbags]

He was arguably the best player on the court for both teams in the Celtic series. Maybe not having Allen and then the volume chucker as opposed to the way Mobley was used/played (and the Cs being really good) was a bigger reason we lost?

You can rationalize with whatever you like. Teams with undersized volume chuckers don’t win championships. You have to go back to Dwayne Wade’s first championship to find that circumstance.

But no doubt the guy who is likely 3-5 years from his prime seasons needs to improve.

He needs a meteoric rise.

 

[dtgold88]

You can rationalize with whatever you like. Teams with undersized volume chuckers don’t win championships. You have to go back to Dwayne Wade’s first championship to find that circumstance.

He needs a meteoric rise.

but that doesn't mean one should be blaming Mobley for losing (or the coach) as he was arguably the best player on the court.

But, yes, the 23-year-old needs to improve.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don’t really give a fuck about your defense because it doesn’t matter and it’s all just excuse making. The Cavs will never compete without a huge leap from Mobley.

lol

arent your entire Embiid vs. Joker arguments based on defense?

all though that ship has long since sailed.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol

arent your entire Embiid vs. Joker arguments based on defense?

all though that ship has long since sailed.

Read it again. Aren’t you an attorney? You don’t understand that there are multiple uses of the word “defense”?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Allen just signs for 3 years $91m. Cavs settling a lot of family business.

Now have that core 4 signed up for quite a while and can give them time to grow together into the primes of their careers- (or- if need be- extract the most trade value).

I love that the core of this team has had 2 years to grow together already- and will have at least 3-4 more years to stay together. I think that is huge. I think one of the things in basketball that hurts teams is the constant shuffling of the deck. I think its possible this team gets one in the next 3-4 years.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Allen just signs for 3 years $91m. Cavs settling a lot of family business.

Now have that core 4 signed up for quite a while and can give them time to grow together into the primes of their careers- (or- if need be- extract the most trade value).

I love that the core of this team has had 2 years to grow together already- and will have at least 3-4 more years to stay together. I think that is huge. I think one of the things in basketball that hurts teams is the constant shuffling of the deck. I think its possible this team gets one in the next 3-4 years.

A championship?

 

[dtgold88]

Allen just signs for 3 years $91m. Cavs settling a lot of family business.

Now have that core 4 signed up for quite a while and can give them time to grow together into the primes of their careers- (or- if need be- extract the most trade value).

I love that the core of this team has had 2 years to grow together already- and will have at least 3-4 more years to stay together. I think that is huge. I think one of the things in basketball that hurts teams is the constant shuffling of the deck. I think its possible this team gets one in the next 3-4 years.

This deal is almost like the JRam deal where I'm guessing Allen just wanted to stay and told agent to get it done. He is already underpaid and will be massively underpaid by time deal kicks in.

 

[logic]

Kind of. I’m saying that a team whose number 1 is nothing but a volume chucker isn’t built to win a championship in the NBA. If Mobley becomes their best player then the Cavs should be taken seriously.

Wasn't Kobe a volume chucker and the #1 on the team?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Wasn't Kobe a volume chucker and the #1 on the team?

Yep. I also mentioned D Wade’s first title. It’s very rare. Additionally, I would say that Kobe was more of a two way player and that’s especially true when it got to playoff time. Mitchell isn’t the defender Kobe is. Additionally…there’s one Kobe and Mitchell ain’t it.

 

[trojanfan12]

Wasn't Kobe a volume chucker and the #1 on the team?

Yes, Kobe was definitely a volume chucker, much like MJ in his early years. But, like MJ, Phil taught him to understand the importance of trusting and involving his teammates more to win titles.

So yes, he was a volume chucker, but he learned that there was a time for that and how to do a better job of figuring out when it was time to take over and when it was time to trust his teammates.

 

[logic]

Yes, Kobe was definitely a volume chucker, much like MJ in his early years. But, like MJ, Phil taught him to understand the importance of trusting and involving his teammates more to win titles.

So yes, he was a volume chucker, but he learned that there was a time for that and how to do a better job of figuring out when it was time to take over and when it was time to trust his teammates.

Which Mitchell may be able to do as well

 

[fightinfunbags]

Which Mitchell may be able to do as well

Nope. He’s not even close to Kobe. We’re talking about a top 10 player all time.

 

[logic]

Nope. He’s not even close to Kobe. We’re talking about a top 10 player all time.

I meant learn to trust his teammates at times, in response to Trojan. I wasn't making an argument that his is Kobe.