Kyrie Requests Trade from Cavs.

[Mecca]

Yea I dont think similar skillets is the issue, people would be pretty excited if NO had two of Anthony Davis. The problem as you said is with Cousins attitude. And if it doesn't work with him it really doubly screws a team, because your theyre only gonna get about 75 cents on the dollar for him in a trade.

Autocorrect claims another victim.

Skillets > Skill sets.....lol

 

[tlance]

Autocorrect claims another victim.

Skillets > Skill sets.....lol

I don't know.

Maybe Davis and Cousins are cooking some gumbo in the locker room.

 

[Vyle203]

Autocorrect claims another victim.

Skillets > Skill sets.....lol

No, I meant two pans.

 

[Mecca]

Yikes. Cleveland only gets Fournier and Beverly?

Why is Orlando even in that deal? DJ and Beverly would be a good return for Kyrie.

No way does that happen.

Biggest reason is the eye test....imo

Gilbert was just crying to the media about the Pacers taking a shitty deal for George.

No way does he do the same when He might have gotten Paul if this happened a few weeks ago.

But, if it did, come to fruition, I would want Vuvecic, not Biyombo.

 

[Vyle203]

I don't know.

Maybe Davis and Cousins are cooking some gumbo in the locker room.

 

[tlance]

No way does that happen.

Biggest reason is the eye test....imo

Gilbert was just crying to the media about the Pacers taking a shitty deal for George.

No way does he do the same when He might have gotten Paul if this happened a few weeks ago.

But, if it did, come to fruition, I would want Vuvecic, not Biyombo.

Yep. Let me be clear though. I agree with you that losing Beverly and DJ and returning Kyrie probably isn't good for the Clippers either.

 

[shopson67]

It would look better if Winslow didn't loose a season of improving.

Most people value Irving alot more than his talent, but that's fine.

It's a bit strange how little respect Dragic gets from fans.

2016 stats:

Dragic: 20.3 pts on 15.4 attempts, .475/.405/.790, 5.8 ast, 1.2 stl, 2.9 TO in 33.7 min
Irving: 25.2 pts on 19.7 attempts, .473/.401/.905, 5.8 ast, 1.2 stl, 2.5 TO in 35.1 min

Only real differences are shot attempts and FT percentage (but both are good there, with Irving elite). They're both horrible defensively (Dragic has a 106 rating, Irving a 109).

 

[tlance]

It's a bit strange how little respect Dragic gets from fans.

2016 stats:

Dragic: 20.3 pts on 15.4 attempts, .475/.405/.790, 5.8 ast, 1.2 stl, 2.9 TO in 33.7 min
Irving: 25.2 pts on 19.7 attempts, .473/.401/.905, 5.8 ast, 1.2 stl, 2.5 TO in 35.1 min

Only real differences are shot attempts and FT percentage (but both are good there, with Irving elite). They're both horrible defensively (Dragic has a 106 rating, Irving a 109).

You are right about Dragic being underrated. When combined with Kyrie being overrated, you have a deal that isn't likely to happen.

Kyrie is overrated because of the way he scores. You see so many of his plays on highlight packages, and there is already a bias that inflates the value of one dimensional scorers. Cleveland is unlikely to let him go unless someone overpays.

 

[knowyourenemy]

No way does that happen.

Biggest reason is the eye test....imo

Gilbert was just crying to the media about the Pacers taking a shitty deal for George.

No way does he do the same when He might have gotten Paul if this happened a few weeks ago.

But, if it did, come to fruition, I would want Vuvecic, not Biyombo.

Orlando gets to dump a bunch of bad contracts and upgrade their center position at the same time in that trade while Cleveland gets virtually nothing in return. I've got no clue why anyone in Cleveland would agree to that.

 

[gordontrue]

Dragic is also like 6 or 7 years older than Kyrie.

How is Dragic on defense? Pretty solid, right?

 

[tlance]

Dragic is also like 6 or 7 years older than Kyrie.

How is Dragic on defense? Pretty solid, right?

I know he isn't great, but I will defer to the Heat fans on whether or not he is neutral or a complete liability. Haven't watched him closely enough.

 

[Vyle203]

You are right about Dragic being underrated. When combined with Kyrie being overrated, you have a deal that isn't likely to happen.

Kyrie is overrated because of the way he scores. You see so many of his plays on highlight packages, and there is already a bias that inflates the value of one dimensional scorers. Cleveland is unlikely to let him go unless someone overpays.

The way Kyrie scores is by being one of the best ball handlers and finishers in the league. I agree that he's overrated because of some of his other flaws that get overlooked at times, but Dragic can't do what Kyrie can do, and Dragic is good

 

[bksballer89]

Dragic is also like 6 or 7 years older than Kyrie.

How is Dragic on defense? Pretty solid, right?

He isn't bad but if the heat had their choice, he isn't guarding the best PG. They would prefer Winslow or Richardson .

 

[bksballer89]

He isn't bad but if the heat had their choice, he isn't guarding the best PG. They would prefer Winslow or Richardson .

Also believe it or not but Waiters was the Heat best perimeter defender last season.

 

[bksballer89]

Report: Knicks, Heat, Clippers among teams who have made offers for Kyrie Irving

 

[Scapegoat]

Also believe it or not but Waiters was the Heat best perimeter defender last season.

Waiters is good defensively.

 

[Heatles84]

I know he isn't great, but I will defer to the Heat fans on whether or not he is neutral or a complete liability. Haven't watched him closely enough.

He's not a good defender. Don't know if he's the liability that Kyrie is quite honestly. Dragic gets the offense in rhythm whereas Kyrie would just ISO us to death. Like I said earlier, I'd stick with 7-11 because if we trade Dragic (and pieces) for Irving, we'd essentially have to trade Waiters given that the two couldn't co-exist in Cleveland. This would also ruin the chemistry that the team built in the 2nd half of the season.

I'd rather ride it out and see if that was merely a fluke or if this team just needed to get healthy and stay in sync.

So count me as one of the few that just doesn't want Kyrie on the Heat.

 

[Heatles84]

Report: Knicks, Heat, Clippers among teams who have made offers for Kyrie Irving

Heat have come out and say they didn't make an offer for Kyrie. Don't know if that's true or if the Heat just simply got turned down from what they offered.

 

[Hambombs]

This is for you @Mecca

 

[Hambombs]

He's not a good defender. Don't know if he's the liability that Kyrie is quite honestly. Dragic gets the offense in rhythm whereas Kyrie would just ISO us to death. Like I said earlier, I'd stick with 7-11 because if we trade Dragic (and pieces) for Irving, we'd essentially have to trade Waiters given that the two couldn't co-exist in Cleveland. This would also ruin the chemistry that the team built in the 2nd half of the season.

I'd rather ride it out and see if that was merely a fluke or if this team just needed to get healthy and stay in sync.

So count me as one of the few that just doesn't want Kyrie on the Heat.

The dragon has always been underrated in my opinion. High IQ player. Can slash to the rim, respecatable from 3. Can handle