Judge for Yourselves, Part II: Secondary

[tpaulus_2]

We make players like matt flynn look good.

For what it's worth there's not a single player left in our secondary that was on the team that got lit up by Flynn 3 season ago. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I can't think of any.

Mathis and Slay were new last year. Bentley, Green, and Greenwood were new 2 years ago. Lawson and Vaughn are new this year. At safety Quin was new last year, Carey and Gomes 2 years ago, and Ihedigbo and that kid from New Orleans whom I can't spell the last name of are new this year.

So yes, that game sucked and was embarrassing, but nobody is left from that horrible secondary- players or coaches alike.

 

[Microwahevo]

Only way Detroit is better than last year in the secondary is if the DL can get to the QB much more often. If they only finish with 33 sacks again -- the secondary is in serious trouble, as they face quite a few of the top QBs in 2014.

Maybe the DL does finish with 33 sacks again, but it could be b/c Austin will be blitzing more than our past regimes. That's what he has gone on record as saying. His defense won't be vanilla. He has stated that players will be coming from all angles.

My thought is that I'm gonna give the guy a chance to see what he can do before passing judgement and already considering our D a failure without ever playing one regular season snap. And this isn't me saying he will be successful. Maybe all this blitzing and player movement will cause more big plays to happen. Maybe it won't. But he has had success before and I'm gonna wait and see what he does.

And I don't give a fack what QBs we face this year.

 

[gandydancer]

I think those first two words hit the nail right on the head. It seems like we're always worse than we really are because I think most of us don't get enough exposure, or pay close enough attention, to the other 31 defenses in the NFL.



It gets frustrating after a while when the self-anointed realists continually resort to pure perception and refuse to give any ground when presented with stark evidence that directly contradicts a lot of what they're saying.

I'm more than willing to meet in the middle, because I know our secondary isn't that good at all. Why is it so hard for some of you to do the same and admit that our secondary really isn't that terrible, even when offered firm statistics that show how very average they were last year?

Seems like the stark evidence the secondary really isn't that terrible. They sure as hell are mediocre or mid to bottom of the road...for me I want fanfuckingtabulous. I will NOT settle for not that terrible. Not that terrible does not get the job done. I am neither real or kool aid. I am sure not a guy that settles for mediocrity.

 

[gandydancer]

For what it's worth there's not a single player left in our secondary that was on the team that got lit up by Flynn 3 season ago. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I can't think of any.

Mathis and Slay were new last year. Bentley, Green, and Greenwood were new 2 years ago. Lawson and Vaughn are new this year. At safety Quin was new last year, Carey and Gomes 2 years ago, and Ihedigbo and that kid from New Orleans whom I can't spell the last name of are new this year.

So yes, that game sucked and was embarrassing, but nobody is left from that horrible secondary- players or coaches alike.

The guys in bold made Glennon look good last year. Couple others looked really against them and not anyone else. Eli looked all world without Cruz against these guys. Eli sucked balls last year.

 

[Microwahevo]

The guys in bold made Glennon look good last year. Couple others looked really against them and not anyone else. Eli looked all world without Cruz against these guys. Eli sucked balls last year.

Eli only had 250 and a TD against us. He was also 23/42. Hardly all world in my opinion. Glen non also was only 14/21 for 247 and a pair of TDs.

I'd have to go back and watch the games again to see how our secondary really looked. I know the TB game our offense sputtered often and CJs mishap at the end help us not win. But those numbers from Eli and Glennon don't stand out all that much. JMO though.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I remember that it's a billion dollar organization run by professionals who are among the best in the world at what they do, and are in the position they're in for a reason. I think we fans lose sight of that fact sometimes- none of us have the skill-set to do what these guys do at the NFL level, no matter how closely we think we follow the game...

I almost threw this fucking IPad into the wall when I read that.

Martin fucking Mayhew's qualifications are that he was a shitty midget CB who went to law school and was immediately hired by the Lions and given the title of Senior Vice President. Now exactly what mother fucking qualifications does that asshat piece of shit have for that role? Absolutely nothing!! And after 8 years of miserable failure as Millen's second in command the fucking Lions decided to give this super qualified buttfuck the job of GM. Big surprise that's amounted to yet another gigantic shitball of failure!!

The Lions don't even bother to put forth anything on Lewand other than his education. Yippdiddeefuckingdo he actually has a business background with BBA, MBA, and JD from U of M. So what was his actual work experience before the Lions hired him? Does anyone know? Cause the Lions don't share that in his bio. That fluff piece of knob gobbling bull shit makes him sound like a super genius.

Professionals who are among the best in the world at what they do my ass. Mayhew has ZERO qualifications for his job and nobody knows if Lewand does either. I guaran-fucking-tee you I could do Lewand's job with about two weeks of training just so I could study some of the more finite details used in contracts today in terms of structure. Ever person on this board could do Mayhew's job as well as he's done it cause he fucking sucks.

You're my bro but if you make a comment like that again I will strangle you with one hand while drowning you in a toilet

 

[themuzzer]

I almost threw this fucking IPad into the wall when I read that.

Martin fucking Mayhew's qualifications are that he was a shitty midget CB who went to law school and was immediately hired by the Lions and given the title of Senior Vice President. Now exactly what mother fucking qualifications does that asshat piece of shit have for that role? Absolutely nothing!! And after 8 years of miserable failure as Millen's second in command the fucking Lions decided to give this super qualified buttfuck the job of GM. Big surprise that's amounted to yet another gigantic shitball of failure!!

The Lions don't even bother to put forth anything on Lewand other than his education. Yippdiddeefuckingdo he actually has a business background with BBA, MBA, and JD from U of M. So what was his actual work experience before the Lions hired him? Does anyone know? Cause the Lions don't share that in his bio. That fluff piece of knob gobbling bull shit makes him sound like a super genius.

Professionals who are among the best in the world at what they do my ass. Mayhew has ZERO qualifications for his job and nobody knows if Lewand does either. I guaran-fucking-tee you I could do Lewand's job with about two weeks of training just so I could study some of the more finite details used in contracts today in terms of structure. Ever person on this board could do Mayhew's job as well as he's done it cause he fucking sucks.

You're my bro but if you make a comment like that again I will strangle you with one hand while drowning you in a toilet

Can't help but agree.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I'm more than willing to meet in the middle, because I know our secondary isn't that good at all. Why is it so hard for some of you to do the same and admit that our secondary really isn't that terrible, even when offered firm statistics that show how very average they were last year?

I'm willing to find a middle ground on pretty much everything regarding the Lions. You can find a bright spot at pretty much every position, with the exception of our CB's. You can argue till you are blue in the face that they are middle of the road, but they had an absolute cupcake schedule and didn't have to face any of the top QB's with the exception of Rodgers once.

The guy who faced the #1 WR the majority of the time in 2013 has been cut and our new #1 is a 2nd year guy who has a ton of athletic ability, but has yet to put it all together. If he doesn't -- Our #1 will be a 34 year old Mathis. After that -- it is a mish mash of draft picks, most that haven't shown much of anything to be confident in them.

We don't have a CB on our roster that had an interception in 2013. The guy we picked up from Indy may be the exception, but I can't remember his name right now. But I do know for a fact --Slay, Mathis, Green, Greenwood and Bentley had zero interceptions last year and these are the guys who will be our CB's this year.

If you wanted to say our rush defense will be just as good as last year, if not better -- I would agree, as adding Ihedbigo and Van Noy should give the Lions a couple solid players against the run.

If you want to say our passing offense will be better -- I would agree, as adding Golden Tate and Ebron gives Stafford weapons he just didn't have in 2013.

If you want to say our OL will be better in 2014 -- I would agree, as the unit will have had a full year playing together and should be more used to playing with each other now and the young guys have a full year experience under their belts.

If you want to say our DL will get more pressure in 2014 -- I would agree, as Suh could be playing for his next contract if we don't extend him, same goes for Fairley. Ansah and Taylor will have full year's experience under their belt and Van Noy gives them a LB who can blitz and help pressure the QB.

There are many things I can agree with in regards to improvements from 2013 to 2014. One spot I just do not see it happening at though, is the CB play. We didn't bring in anyone to upgrade the position and the players we have, have zero experience in the defensive scheme we are running and haven't had to play man coverage in the NFL while with Detroit.

 

[Microwahevo]

The Lions don't even bother to put forth anything on Lewand other than his education. Yippdiddeefuckingdo he actually has a business background with BBA, MBA, and JD from U of M. So what was his actual work experience before the Lions hired him? Does anyone know?

Lewand possesses a strong educational background, having received a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Michigan in 1991, and completing both his Juris Doctor at the University of Michigan Law School and his Master’s degree in business administration from the University of Michigan Business School in 1996. Lewand aided the Michigan football program in various capacities on a volunteer basis while attending the school. He also worked for the Lions on a part-time basis while completing work on his graduate degrees.

In 1991, Lewand served as an environmental advisor for the Governor of Indiana, Evan Bayh. Following a year in that position, he entered graduate school at Michigan. He spent time working for the law firm of Dickinson Wright in Detroit, and the Chicago law firm of Kirkland and Ellis. In the summer of 1993, he worked in the White House in the Counsel’s Office for Presidential Personnel.

Lewand’s family history is entrenched in the Detroit area community. His father, F. Thomas Lewand, works as an attorney and was both the Chief of Staff for former Governor James Blanchard and the Chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party. His late grandfather, Joseph B. Sullivan, was a judge in the Michigan Court of Appeals and was the deputy mayor of Detroit in the 1960s.

Lewand is active in the community, acting as Past Chairman of the Detroit Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau and serving on the Boards of Directors of the Detroit Zoological Society, the Downtown Detroit Partnership, the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation and the Parade Company.
In a collaborative effort to reduce and prevent youth sports concussions, Lewand represented the Lions and the organization’s work with Michigan legislators, the NFL and various youth sports organizations to pass state laws that have implemented concussion education and awareness programs along with a medical protocol for young athletes to return to action.

Lewand also is on the Corporate Advisory Board for the University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business. Lewand was named as one of Crain’s Detroit Business “40 Under 40” in 1998, which honored and recognized 40 top business people in the Detroit area under the age of 40. Lewand has also been recognized nationally twice, in 2003 and 2005, by the Sports Business Journal as one of the top “40 Under 40” sports executives in the United States.

 

[themuzzer]

What's all this yapping about Middle ground......That's the stuff bi-partisianship politicaians talk about.....There's no such thing as middle ground, we either suck or we don't, middle ground refers to mediocrity and I'm tired of a mediocre team.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

My thought is that I'm gonna give the guy a chance to see what he can do before passing judgement and already considering our D a failure without ever playing one regular season snap.

I think you are mistaken in my thoughts. I'm not saying our entire Defense is going to be a failure. I just think our CB's are going to be terrible, unless Slay makes a huge jump in year 1 to year 2. If he doesn't -- What do you think is going to happen when he is in man coverage against Brandon Marshall, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Eric Decker, Sammy Watkins, Julio Jones, Marques Colston, Mike Wallace. These are some of the WR's he is going to be asked to man up in our new defense in the upcoming season.

If Slay hasn't progressed at the position -- Our #1 CB is going to be 34 year old Mathis. He played well for Detroit in our zone scheme, but I'm not sure how a 34 year old is going to do playing man against some of the top flight WR's we face in 2014.

I could be dead wrong and the Lions could come out and play like champs under the new scheme. IMO, they lack the overall talent to be successful at the CB position, and the only guy I could see being a quality player in the future is Slay. I don't see Bentley turning into an adequate starter, let alone a quality starter. Greenwood has the athletic ability, but everyone knows my stance on him -- he is just too far behind the learning curve, as he basically played high school football in the MIAA. Green was adequate when he had time on the field, but adequate is good if you are a backup, not a starter.

That is my biggest argument for Detroit draft Ebron. They had a chance to draft one of the top CB's. They could have even traded back to draft one. Instead, they took about 10 seconds and drafted a TE the highest in the draft since a team named the Lions drafted Pettigrew at #20 5 years ago.

 

[gandydancer]

You're my bro but if you make a comment like that again I will strangle you with one hand while drowning you in a toilet

Epic post of the month, fucking classic

 

[themuzzer]

Lewand possesses a strong educational background, having received a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Michigan in 1991, and completing both his Juris Doctor at the University of Michigan Law School and his Master’s degree in business administration from the University of Michigan Business School in 1996. Lewand aided the Michigan football program in various capacities on a volunteer basis while attending the school. He also worked for the Lions on a part-time basis while completing work on his graduate degrees.

In 1991, Lewand served as an environmental advisor for the Governor of Indiana, Evan Bayh. Following a year in that position, he entered graduate school at Michigan. He spent time working for the law firm of Dickinson Wright in Detroit, and the Chicago law firm of Kirkland and Ellis. In the summer of 1993, he worked in the White House in the Counsel’s Office for Presidential Personnel.

Lewand’s family history is entrenched in the Detroit area community. His father, F. Thomas Lewand, works as an attorney and was both the Chief of Staff for former Governor James Blanchard and the Chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party. His late grandfather, Joseph B. Sullivan, was a judge in the Michigan Court of Appeals and was the deputy mayor of Detroit in the 1960s.

Lewand is active in the community, acting as Past Chairman of the Detroit Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau and serving on the Boards of Directors of the Detroit Zoological Society, the Downtown Detroit Partnership, the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation and the Parade Company.
In a collaborative effort to reduce and prevent youth sports concussions, Lewand represented the Lions and the organization’s work with Michigan legislators, the NFL and various youth sports organizations to pass state laws that have implemented concussion education and awareness programs along with a medical protocol for young athletes to return to action.

Lewand also is on the Corporate Advisory Board for the University of Michigan’s Ross School of Business. Lewand was named as one of Crain’s Detroit Business “40 Under 40” in 1998, which honored and recognized 40 top business people in the Detroit area under the age of 40. Lewand has also been recognized nationally twice, in 2003 and 2005, by the Sports Business Journal as one of the top “40 Under 40” sports executives in the United States.

This is our Lions (Lieing) President. As a cop for 10 years these guys did it by the book and Tom tried his as off to get out of it.....Very Professional on the cops side. They even double locked the cuffs, nice job. This is one of the guys running a dysfunctional Football team.

Raw sheriff video shows arrest of Tom Lewand | Video Library | Detroit Free Press

I'm pretty sure Jimmy Schwartz had a nice Education as well being from Georgetown and all the hype he came with.

 

[gandydancer]

If Slay hasn't progressed at the position -- Our #1 CB is going to be 34 year old Mathis. He played well for Detroit in our zone scheme, but I'm not sure how a 34 year old is going to do playing man against some of the top flight WR's we face in 2014.

That is my biggest argument for Detroit draft Ebron. They had a chance to draft one of the top CB's. They could have even traded back to draft one. Instead, they took about 10 seconds and drafted a TE the highest in the draft since a team named the Lions drafted Pettigrew at #20 5 years ago.

Mike you are correct we could have drafted that way. I was not huge on Ebron either. Do you really think a rookie was going to save the defense this year? Still be in same boat with a rookie covering these IMO.
Where I will agree a top tier projected CB this year means solid play in a few years from a spot they have been sub standard for awhile.

 

[themuzzer]

All those degrees still couldn't talk his ass out of a simple DUI.....You can be book smart all you want, but street smart is where it's at.....Simple cop taking down a millionaire with professionalism on camera. That's classic. Because when white collar guys do it,they do it behind your back.

 

[Microwahevo]

This is our Lions (Lieing) President. As a cop for 10 years these guys did it by the book and Tom tried his as off to get out of it.....Very Professional on the cops side. They even double locked the cuffs, nice job. This is one of the guys running a dysfunctional Football team.

Raw sheriff video shows arrest of Tom Lewand | Video Library | Detroit Free Press

I'm pretty sure Jimmy Schwartz had a nice Education as well being from Georgetown and all the hype he came with.

And? Meow asked for his previous experience. That's what I gave. I don't give a shit about his arrest. I'm not Lewand's buddy or manager, simply passing along info.

 

[themuzzer]

I'm on board with Ebron pick now that we made....(Didn't like it the night it happened) But F-it.....Let's go all Rich Rod and put up points......50 a game, can't get all conservative with this offense, We need to air it out 80% of the time.....Run on 3rd and one and air it out the rest.....We made our bed, commit to it.

 

[Microwahevo]

I'm on board with Ebron pick now that we made....(Didn't like it the night it happened) But F-it.....Let's go all Rich Rod and put up points......50 a game, can't get all conservative with this offense, We need to air it out 80% of the time.....Run on 3rd and one and air it out the rest.....We made our bed, commit to it.

Yep. Bc teams are gonna score 40 a game on us, just like last year. Oh wait.....no one put up 40 even once. Gtfoh w that mess.

 

[themuzzer]

And? Meow asked for his previous experience. That's what I gave. I don't give a shit about his arrest. I'm not Lewand's buddy or manager, simply passing along info.

That's fine, but I do. I don't want guys making Team and Money decisions that don't have the basic street smarts not to drink and drive. He probably makes other decisions over the phone while drunk too. Can't prove it, but we can prove the DUI one and I'm sure that Decision was harder to make then just making one over the phone with no cop around.

 

[themuzzer]

Yep. Bc teams are gonna score 40 a game on us, just like last year. Oh wait.....no one put up 40 even once. Gtfoh w that mess.

Quit being crabby...Fine...We will need to put up 30 a game and hope like hell the defnese can hold the opposing team under that? That sound about right? Or do I need to come down.