Jordan says Kobe, not LeBron, could beat him in his prime

[Black Adam]

wow, ANOTHER by Turnip...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

BINGO!! that move's CLEARLY not even necessary...

oh wait, it's because Turnip thinks EVERYTHING is Kobe's fault. LOL i don't know who was worse back on CBS with that crapola. him, or that equally psychotic clown heatmyshorts...

You are clueless hence the CL in your name

You have NO CLUE how the salary cap works ,salary cap holds, etc.. do you?


For God sakes, it took you months to learn how to make a v-chip wager.
Face it, you are just a fucking MORON.

 

[trojanfan12]

At what point of the year did I say the Lakers wouldn't make the playoffs?

Then, tell us what my pre season predictions were..

I was SPOT ON.

Lets rehash.
I said Clippers would win division, pre season. You called Lakers, even after 10-15 games or so.

I said Lakers would NEVER crack the top 4 once they got off to a slow start.
They never did.

I said, for the longest of times, they were fighting for 6-8. CORRECT?

It wasn't until they put themselves farther back then we ever imagined that I said no playoffs.

Hey, Kobe literally killed himself to secure that playoff spot on the last day of the season.
Was it worth it?

Right about the time you made an avi bet with me that they wouldn't.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

and all this side bullshit you're bringing up matters WHY? LMFAO you said it! that'd be the point. and you were WRONG. wow, just take it like a man for once and move on...

go talk about your fake-ass Heat or something today...

I was wrong only because your team sucked so bad I changed my mind.
My original thoughts were CORRECT.

You were wrong since day 1 about 2 teams now for over 3 years.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Right about the time you made an avi bet with me that they wouldn't.

Exactly.
What part of the season was that? Last 1/3?

 

[trojanfan12]

Why would they amnesty Kobe when he'll be playing this season and is a big money draw for ownership? The Lakers will still have plenty of cap space next season.

This is where turnip crosses the line from simple hate, into pure, unadulterated stupidity!! To amnesty Kobe in the final year of his contract would be a stupid thing to do and would ultimately have provided very little, if any, true cap relief. Kobe's contract was not the sole reason that the Lakers were so far over the cap.

The better bet is/was, to do exactly what the Lakers are doing. Keep him for the final year of the contract and collect the money that having on the team attracts. Then let his contract expire at the end of this season (along with just about every other contract) and then decide what to do with all of that money in the off-season.

 

[Black Adam]

You are clueless hence the CL in your name

no i'm not, I'M "spot-on"...

You have NO CLUE how the salary cap works ,salary cap holds, etc.. do you?

LOL already pointed out that there's no need to amnesty Kobe, so you're going to try to save face, AS USUAL...

For God sakes, it took you months to learn how to make a v-chip wager.

LOL that's all you've got? guess you're right, how pathetic. maybe i should've gotten myself kicked off a sports board or something...

Face it, i'm just a fucking MORON.

hehe, fixed...

the entire board knows about that, your easy penchant to be a pathological liar, your obsession, and your narcissism. guess i should have all YOUR issues, then i'd be a well rounded poster in YOUR view...

 

[Black Adam]

I was wrong only because your team sucked so bad I changed my mind.
My original thoughts were CORRECT.

ANOTHER tapdance happening. you were WRONG. sheesh...

just like the Mike Brown thing...

You were wrong since day 1 about 2 teams now for over 3 years.

Dallas won the title in 2011. CLEARLY i wasn't. nice try though...

back to your needlepoint, dingbat...

 

[lakersrule]

Then, are you familiar with salary cap hold $$$ working against your next years cap?
If not, study it.

I've shown over the years to have a much better understanding of the salary cap then you. Yes, I know about cap holds. The Lakers will still have all that cap space. Cap holds are more or less a theoretical salary. Whatever Kobe actually signs for will be what matters.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This is where turnip crosses the line from simple hate, into pure, unadulterated stupidity!! To amnesty Kobe in the final year of his contract would be a stupid thing to do and would ultimately have provided very little, if any, true cap relief. Kobe's contract was not the sole reason that the Lakers were so far over the cap.

The better bet is/was, to do exactly what the Lakers are doing. Keep him for the final year of the contract and collect the money that having on the team attracts. Then let his contract expire at the end of this season (along with just about every other contract) and then decide what to do with all of that money in the off-season.

Cross this line:

While fans (and a lot of front office executives) around the league have enjoyed the Lakers stumbles last season, we all know the plan. And it’s a very feasible one.
The Lakers will muddle through this season then rebuild on the fly through free agency in the summer of 2014 when virtually everybody comes off the books. They can attack free agency hard and sign a couple max players. They have reportedly targeted LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.
Except, the Lakers don’t have quite as much cap space as everyone thinks. Depending on what they do it could be more like $36 million.
The fantastic Jared Dubin had some fun with this at Grantland. For this post, I’m going to take what I think is the most logical scenario and talk cap space from there, using Dubin’s numbers, that includes the Larry Coon (ESPN’s cap guy) projection of a $62 million salary cap next summer.
The Lakers go into next summer with two contracts on the books — Steve Nash with $9.7 million and Robert Sacre at $915,243. Also, Nick Young could stick around as he has a $1.2 million option, but it is more likely he opts out to try and find a longer deal. So we’ll leave Young out of this.
But the Lakers don’t just have the difference between the $10.6 in guaranteed salary and the $62 million to spend.
Meet the cap hold — a placeholder salary that counts against what you can spend based on the value of what you could pay your free agents to come back (also that could include holds for draft picks and minimum contract players yet to be named to get you to a dozen roster spots). In the Lakers case there are cap holds for Kobe Bryant (almost $32 million), Pau Gasol ($20 million), Steve Blake ($7.6 million) and on down the line. With all their cap holds in place the Lakers are at $86 million, way over the cap and luxury tax line, they couldn’t sign anybody.
Most likely the Lakers will trade Gasol during the season or, when the time, comes, the Lakers will renounce their rights to every free agent on their roster not named Kobe. They will create cap space because when they renounce Gasol or anyone else he gets replaced by a $507,336 minimum salary hold. There also will be a salary hold for the Lakers first round pick next summer, the size of which depends on the draft spot but likely is upwards of $1 million, close to $1.5 million.
In Kobe’s case, I expect the Lakers will re-sign him to a discounted deal, much as Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett did for their teams. While Kobe has said he doesn’t want a pay cut, I think that was negotiations and he’ll return for around $10 million.
So where does that leave the Lakers: Kobe at $10 million, Nash at $9.7 million, a draft pick around $1 million, Sacre at $915,243, and eight minimum salary cap holds, your grand total is around $26 million on the books.
Which leaves the Lakers around $36 million in cap space in the summer of 2014.
LeBron’s max is going to be about $20 million for the first year, ‘Melo’s is more like $23. The Lakers can’t swing them both at the max (and have fun trying to convince ‘Melo to take a pay cut). As I have said before, I doubt LeBron or Anthony bolt their respective teams, but consider that a fun exercise in the limits of what the Lakers can do. Remember, the Lakers want to be under the tax threshold line in the 2014-15 season to avoid the repeater tax.
Things could be different — the Lakers could waive Nash and use the stretch provision, for one, to get even more cap space. The Lakers could make a mid-season trade for star under contract (using Gasol and pieces as the bait) and have even less room. There are endless scenarios.
Most observers around the league expect the Lakers to bounce back fast — players want to be in Los Angeles and play for a storied franchise. But the new CBA makes the Lakers style of reloading far more difficult; they are going to have to get some players to come to them at a discount.
The goal of the new CBA was to make it hard and expensive on teams used to just spending to get what they want. The Lakers are a great example of how that is going to work.




Who knows what Kobe will decide to play for, but if he was off the books this year it wouldn't matter.
Would it?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Dallas won the title in 2011. CLEARLY i wasn't. nice try though...

SURE. Like you picked fucking Dallas at the start of the year.
Matter of fact, you picked the Lakers to knock Dallas out that season.

 

[Black Adam]

SURE. Like you picked fucking Dallas at the start of the year.
Matter of fact, you picked the Lakers to knock Dallas out that season.

ALSO said the Heat would fail. and they DID. LMAO tell us again about your great view of game 7 from your "courtside seat", knucklehead...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

ALSO said the Heat would fail. and they DID. LMAO tell us again about your great view of game 7 from your "courtside seat", knucklehead...

The view is great. The game sucked. Also, it was game 6.


As far as failing, you guys said the Heat would lose in round 2, season 1. THAT was the real prediction.
Then it just turned into HOPE.
So please, stop with that BULLSHIT.
It doesn't take a real genius to pick/hope against a team losing every night or every series, does it?

You picked the fucking Bucks to beat the Heat last year.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This is where turnip crosses the line from simple hate, into pure, unadulterated stupidity!! To amnesty Kobe in the final year of his contract would be a stupid thing to do and would ultimately have provided very little, if any, true cap relief. Kobe's contract was not the sole reason that the Lakers were so far over the cap.

The better bet is/was, to do exactly what the Lakers are doing. Keep him for the final year of the contract and collect the money that having on the team attracts. Then let his contract expire at the end of this season (along with just about every other contract) and then decide what to do with all of that money in the off-season.

Apparently they thought along those lines.
What you aren't factoring in though is that Kobe hates to lose.
Why put him through this?
Why not let his body rest and rejuvenate for a year like Rose did?

 

[Black Adam]

The view is great. The game sucked. Also, it was game 6.

LOL i just bet it was:rollseyes:, and i KNOW the series only went 6. but your idiotic prediction of there WILL be a game 7 is where ya blew it, charlie...

see? wrong AGAIN...

As far as failing, you guys said the Heat would lose in round 2, season 1. THAT was the real prediction.
Then it just turned into HOPE.
So please, stop with that BULLSHIT.

doesn't seem to work for YOU. lol BULLSHIT is what you live by...

point was, as always, they FAILED. i know, i know, it makes you BLEED to know your god FAILED, but it DID happen...

It doesn't take a real genius to pick/hope against a team losing every night or every series, does it?

does it? you say never put a whole lot of stock in predictions, then try to wear someone out with 'em if they're wrong. talk about a friggin' butt-munch HYPOCRITE...

You picked the fucking Bucks to beat the Heat last year.

refer to my last line. at some point i guess you'll get over yourself. it'll PROBABLY be at about the same time you're on your deathbed, though...

i have to confess something here(for the folks with SANE minds, obviously). it takes a very special talent to be the King of thread clowns AND the court jester at the same time. i'm kind of in awe of the little scrub this morning...

 

[lakersrule]

So, exactly. Cap holds are theoretical. Fact is, the Lakers can have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2014. I don't think that's when they sign the big FAs anyway. Lebron is not coming. Unfortunately I think we'll have to wait until the summer of 2015.

 

[Black Adam]

So, exactly. Cap holds are theoretical. Fact is, the Lakers can have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2014. I don't think that's when they sign the big FAs anyway. Lebron is not coming. Unfortunately I think we'll have to wait until the summer of 2015.

never wanted him anyways. course NOW i'm going to have to hear Turnip turn purple and say "EVERYBODY wants LeClown". ah well, guess i'll have deal with his next crying jag...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

So, exactly.

Cap holds are theoretical

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True, but who knows how much Kobe will settle for?

Fact is, the Lakers can have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2014. I don't think that's when they sign the big FAs anyway. Lebron is not coming. Unfortunately I think we'll have to wait until the summer of 2015.

Again true, but it is an unknown vs what could have been a certainty.

 

[trojanfan12]

Cross this line:





Who knows what Kobe will decide to play for, but if he was off the books this year it wouldn't matter.
Would it?

It doesn't matter what Kobe will decide to play for. His contract is up after this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the Lakers amnestied him or not. All of these contracts were set to expire at the same time for a reason. The reason was because the Lakers knew that they would be looking at a re-build.

As Kupchak said in a recent interview: the Lakers have known for approximately 3 years that this was coming and there is a plan in place.

If Kobe wants more than the Lakers are willing to pay, he won't be re-signed. At least this year, they get the benefit of the ticket/merchandise sales that having him brings in.

The new CBA will do exactly what it is designed to do and make things more difficult and expensive as far as re-loading, but the Lakers at least are in a better position financially to take that on than most other franchises.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

It doesn't matter what Kobe will decide to play for. His contract is up after this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the Lakers amnestied him or not. All of these contracts were set to expire at the same time for a reason. The reason was because the Lakers knew that they would be looking at a re-build.

As Kupchak said in a recent interview: the Lakers have known for approximately 3 years that this was coming and there is a plan in place.

If Kobe wants more than the Lakers are willing to pay, he won't be re-signed. At least this year, they get the benefit of the ticket/merchandise sales that having him brings in.

Fair enough, but my assumption is that the Lakers were determined to keep him there for his entire career, almost regardless of salary, because of the income he does generate.

And as far as this year ticket sales, etc... The games/tickets for this season were already sold out, correct?
So him playing or not playing really doesn't change anything as far as that goes.