Joe Staley is a top-10 LT

[clyde_carbon]

This discussion is from the Draft / College Football, but I think it belongs in is own thread.

Honestly, I don't understand why people are still complaining about Staley. I asked Bingo in that thread to give me 7 LTs that are legitimately better than Staley, and we both came up with:

Joe Thomas
Jake Long
Michael Roos
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Whitworth
Jason Peters

Doug Free and Jordan Gross were thrown out as possibilities, but it's arguable. Even if we include these two, though, Staley is still a top-10 LT in the league.

Franchise LTs are a dying breed. The only one that qualifies, IMO, is Joe Thomas at this point. Even Long, IIRC correctly, has given up 5.5 or 6 sacks this season. I think it's about time people start curbing their expectations towards Staley.

 

[numone9er]

This discussion is from the Draft / College Football, but I think it belongs in is own thread.

Honestly, I don't understand why people are still complaining about Staley. I asked Bingo in that thread to give me 7 LTs that are legitimately better than Staley, and we both came up with:

Joe Thomas
Jake Long
Michael Roos
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Whitworth
Jason Peters

Doug Free and Jordan Gross were thrown out as possibilities, but it's arguable. Even if we include these two, though, Staley is still a top-10 LT in the league.

Franchise LTs are a dying breed. The only one that qualifies, IMO, is Joe Thomas at this point. Even Long, IIRC correctly, has given up 5.5 or 6 sacks this season. I think it's about time people start curbing their expectations towards Staley.

I haven't had the chance to watch many Patriot games this season, but has Matt Light struggled this season? He was one of my favorite LT's going into this season. Jake Long is probably my favorite LT next to Joe Thomas. He's easily the best run blocker IMO.

 

[I_am_1z]

I've never seen Staley make an impressive block in the running game.


Anyhow, Gore averages 5.4 yards running to the left sideline and a gaudy 6.7 rushing to right sideline, just thought that was an interesting tidbit.

 

[LONGBALL]

thats a beautyfull thing :horn:

 

[CalamityX11]

Actually happy to see Roos name up there.

Staley has been great but does struggle at times(crucial ones). It's odd, he'll go through stretches of absolute domination and then some with WTF or COME ON MAN moments...

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Playing the tackle position is getting harder and harder, especially with all these sack monsters coming out of college each year and all the crazy blitz formation in the game today. Def a tough job.

 

[BINGO]

This discussion is from the Draft / College Football, but I think it belongs in is own thread.

Honestly, I don't understand why people are still complaining about Staley. I asked Bingo in that thread to give me 7 LTs that are legitimately better than Staley, and we both came up with:

Joe Thomas
Jake Long
Michael Roos
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Sebastian Vollmer
Andre Whitworth
Jason Peters

Doug Free and Jordan Gross were thrown out as possibilities, but it's arguable. Even if we include these two, though, Staley is still a top-10 LT in the league.

Franchise LTs are a dying breed. The only one that qualifies, IMO, is Joe Thomas at this point. Even Long, IIRC correctly, has given up 5.5 or 6 sacks this season. I think it's about time people start curbing their expectations towards Staley.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Clyde. Several years ago (perhaps it was last year) you were raving calling Staley dominant for shutting down DeMarcus Ware, Harrison, and Peppers with 0 sacks. You insinuated that because of his top notch performance, he was a "franchise LT" - If that's the case he should continuously play as such!

In addition, I would certainly add guys like Russel Okung; Bulaga; Andre Smith; Donald Penn; Jeff Backus; and even Tyron Smith would all be ahead of Staley IMO. Staley is certainly not a top 10 NFL OT. Let's be modest here folks and prevent the "homerish syndrome".

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Anyone think his play went down a little after that leg injury?

 

[deep9er]

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Clyde. Several years ago (perhaps it was last year) you were raving calling Staley dominant for shutting down DeMarcus Ware, Harrison, and Peppers with 0 sacks. You insinuated that because of his top notch performance, he was a "franchise LT" - If that's the case he should continuously play as such!

In addition, I would certainly add guys like Russel Okung; Bulaga; Andre Smith; Donald Penn; Jeff Backus; and even Tyron Smith would all be ahead of Staley IMO. Staley is certainly not a top 10 NFL OT. Let's be modest here folks and prevent the "homerish syndrome".

hmm.....recall Clyde calling Staley a franchise LT, but wasn't it prior to the 2010 draft? wasn't it related to whether we should draft an OT or not?

looking ahead to next season, don't see a change to our O-line? so maybe with a entire off-season in THIS offense, they'll take a step up as A UNIT? we can only hope.

 

[clyde_carbon]

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Clyde. Several years ago (perhaps it was last year) you were raving calling Staley dominant for shutting down DeMarcus Ware, Harrison, and Peppers with 0 sacks. You insinuated that because of his top notch performance, he was a "franchise LT" - If that's the case he should continuously play as such!

In addition, I would certainly add guys like Russel Okung; Bulaga; Andre Smith; Donald Penn; Jeff Backus; and even Tyron Smith would all be ahead of Staley IMO. Staley is certainly not a top 10 NFL OT. Let's be modest here folks and prevent the "homerish syndrome".

I never said he was a franchise LT. I said he was a potential franchise LT when several posters were completely shutting that idea down.

Russell Okung has barely seen the field. Bryan Bulaga, Andre Smith, and Tyron Smith are all currently RTs. Penn is mediocre, and Jeff Backus is absolutely terrible. You can ask any Lions fan. Don't be a clown Bingo, that's just ridiculous.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

PFF on OTs, granted a lot of these guys are on the right side. Anthony Davis makes an appearance on the 10-worst list.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ot-offensive-tackle-pass-blocking-efficiency/

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

PFF on OTs, granted a lot of these guys are on the right side. Anthony Davis makes an appearance on the 10-worst list.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ot-offensive-tackle-pass-blocking-efficiency/

This is ridiculous....if it wasn't for Alex Smith, Davis would be a top-5 tackle. Davis would never give up a single sack if Smith would just get rid of the ball within .75 seconds for a change. Blah blah blah blah......

 

[clyde_carbon]

This is ridiculous....if it wasn't for Alex Smith, Davis would be a top-5 tackle. Davis would never give up a single sack if Smith would just get rid of the ball within .75 seconds for a change. Blah blah blah blah......

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Anthony Davis is a legitimate starter in this league.

But go ahead and make this about Alex Smith.

 

[I_am_1z]

PFF on OTs, granted a lot of these guys are on the right side. Anthony Davis makes an appearance on the 10-worst list.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ot-offensive-tackle-pass-blocking-efficiency/

Pashos! Why wasn't he that good when we had him

 

[MW49ers5]

PFF on OTs, granted a lot of these guys are on the right side. Anthony Davis makes an appearance on the 10-worst list.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ot-offensive-tackle-pass-blocking-efficiency/

How does A.Davis have 413 Pass Block Snaps when we have attempted only 363 passes?

How in your mind does A.Davis make the 10-worst list? Isn't he 7th on the bottom 20? Wouldn't the 10-worst be the bottom 10 of the bottom 20?

IMO, A.Davis' appearance on anything PFF related is worthless. Once you consider the statistical margin of error created by the subjectivity of the analysis, his set of circumstances and the volatility of the rating (10th's of a point) He's just as close to being top-ten as he being bottom 20.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

How does A.Davis have 413 Pass Block Snaps when we have attempted only 363 passes?

How in your mind does A.Davis make the 10-worst list? Isn't he 7th on the bottom 20? Wouldn't the 10-worst be the bottom 10 of the bottom 20?

IMO, A.Davis' appearance on anything PFF related is worthless. Once you consider the statistical margin of error created by the subjectivity of the analysis, his set of circumstances and the volatility of the rating (10th's of a point) He's just as close to being top-ten as he being bottom 20.

363 attempts + 39 sacks = 402 pass block snaps. Factor in 39 Smith rushes, most of which were scrambles on pass plays, and Davis missing a few snaps with the ankle sprain/strain, and 413 pass block snaps sounds about right.

10th-worst was a typo. I meant to say 20th-worst. Thanks for catching that one.

I'm not endorsing PFF's stats, just throwing them out there to spur conversation. I agree that their rating system is quite subjective.

 

[BINGO]

How does A.Davis have 413 Pass Block Snaps when we have attempted only 363 passes?

How in your mind does A.Davis make the 10-worst list? Isn't he 7th on the bottom 20? Wouldn't the 10-worst be the bottom 10 of the bottom 20?

IMO, A.Davis' appearance on anything PFF related is worthless. Once you consider the statistical margin of error created by the subjectivity of the analysis, his set of circumstances and the volatility of the rating (10th's of a point) He's just as close to being top-ten as he being bottom 20.

You were enrolled in that course too? You took research methods class with me didn't you?

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

Are there any objective ratings of offensive line performance? Until then, isn't a play-by-play review of the performance the best available metric? Obviously you can't take it as gospel, but I don't see anyone taking a more detailed or credible look at OLs than PFF.....tough to outright dismiss in my book.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Are there any objective ratings of offensive line performance? Until then, isn't a play-by-play review of the performance the best available metric? Obviously you can't take it as gospel, but I don't see anyone taking a more detailed or credible look at OLs than PFF.....tough to outright dismiss in my book.

I wouldn't go and throw reason into it. Complicates things.

 

[MW49ers5]

You were enrolled in that course too? You took research methods class with me didn't you?

LMAO!!!...Yessir, that was in fact me.