Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[HaroldSeattle]

In fact, in post 878 when asked how I was a homer, this was your reply.....

"Think you need to cut the idea that Mayfield ever takes another snap for the Browns because that's not happening. That idea is just some homer fantasy."

Once again, comedy gold that you think it's my fantasy Baker plays again for the Browns as the only way that happens is if Watson is suspended.

I get it's not in you to man up and just own you made a foolish comment.....but you did.

Wow! You actually think there is an other route ( other then a Watson suspension) that has Mayfield playing/starting games for the Browns? How? Injury to Watson?

 

[dtgold88]

Wow! You actually think there is an other route ( other then a Watson suspension) that has Mayfield playing/starting games for the Browns? How? Injury to Watson?

I do not think there is any other route and that is the point. Why would a homer want Baker to play if it means Watson has a long suspension or is hurt?

I realize there is almost no chance you will own this is what you said/implied nor how foolish it was to say/imply.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I do not think there is any other route and that is the point. Why would a homer want Baker to play if it means Watson has a long suspension or is hurt?

I realize there is almost no chance you will own this is what you said/implied nor how foolish it was to say/imply.

It's been my contention that Mayfield never takes another snap for the Browns, so not sure where your going with this. I also contend that Mayfield has no trade value with his salary and play. Teams don't play the waiting game for players they want. Look at Watson, despite him quitting on his team, not even playing last season, being a sexual predator, facing the possibility of a suspension, teams were trying to out bid each other for his services. No teams are lining up for Mayfield services, there is no bidding war for him, no team is hot for his services.
This isn't me hating Mayfield and/or the Browns, this is just reality. I argue because some here are holding on to the fantasy that Mayfield has trade value ( beyond a Bridgewater to Broncos type value) and some argue that Mayfield would still be useful to the Browns when the reality is they don't want him on the team and he won't be on the roster when the season kicks off. Either he'll be traded for a penny on the dollar or he'll be cut.

 

[dtgold88]

It's been my contention that Mayfield never takes another snap for the Browns, so not sure where your going with this. I also contend that Mayfield has no trade value with his salary and play. Teams don't play the waiting game for players they want. Look at Watson, despite him quitting on his team, not even playing last season, being a sexual predator, facing the possibility of a suspension, teams were trying to out bid each other for his services. No teams are lining up for Mayfield services, there is no bidding war for him, no team is hot for his services.
This isn't me hating Mayfield and/or the Browns, this is just reality. I argue because some here are holding on to the fantasy that Mayfield has trade value ( beyond a Bridgewater to Broncos type value) and some argue that Mayfield would still be useful to the Browns when the reality is they don't want him on the team and he won't be on the roster when the season kicks off. Either he'll be traded for a penny on the dollar or he'll be cut.

Where I am going is I said Baker could take another snap IF Watson gets a long suspension. You then made the beyond foolish comment of saying my comment was me being a homer. I have then tried to explain (or ask) why would a homer want Watson to get a long suspension (or get hurt) so Baker could play?

From there it's been you dancing, spinning, etc....anything but simply owning how foolish it was to say someone with my position was a homer.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Where I am going is I said Baker could take another snap IF Watson gets a long suspension. You then made the beyond foolish comment of saying my comment was me being a homer. I have then tried to explain (or ask) why would a homer want Watson to get a long suspension (or get hurt) so Baker could play?

From there it's been you dancing, spinning, etc....anything but simply owning how foolish it was to say someone with my position was a homer.

I say your a homer for thinking there is any possibility that Mayfield remains on the Browns roster, the writing is on the wall, but yet you persist it thinking it could happen. Again he's getting traded for a penny on the dollar or cut.

 

[dtgold88]

I say your a homer for thinking there is any possibility that Mayfield remains on the Browns roster, the writing is on the wall, but yet you persist it thinking it could happen. Again he's getting traded for a penny on the dollar or cut.

Goal posts are heavier than they look so hopefully you have help moving them.

What you really said was it's a homer fantasy to have Baker start when no homer wants Baker to start since it means Watson is suspended or hurt. Lie, dance, deflect, move goalposts, etc....that's what you said and it was comedy gold.

Your last comment is simply your opinion (or hope) without a willingness to use logic or reason. could it happen? sure. But Baker playing here is more likely than Baker getting cut.

and, no, it is not my homer fantasy that he plays for reasons already given.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Goal posts are heavier than they look so hopefully you have help moving them.

What you really said was it's a homer fantasy to have Baker start when no homer wants Baker to start since it means Watson is suspended or hurt. Lie, dance, deflect, move goalposts, etc....that's what you said and it was comedy gold.

Your last comment is simply your opinion (or hope) without a willingness to use logic or reason. could it happen? sure. But Baker playing here is more likely than Baker getting cut.

and, no, it is not my homer fantasy that he plays for reasons already given.

The bold is just IYO and it ignores the writing on the wall. Every move the Browns have made from trading for Watson for a kings ransom to signing Brissett says Mayfield isn't going to be on the roster. Clearly the relationship between the Browns organization and Mayfield is broken beyond repair. Browns will cut Mayfield if they aren't able to trade him and the market for Mayfield has completely dried up.

 

[dtgold88]

The bold is just IYO and it ignores the writing on the wall. Every move the Browns have made from trading for Watson for a kings ransom to signing Brissett says Mayfield isn't going to be on the roster. Clearly the relationship between the Browns organization and Mayfield is broken beyond repair. Browns will cut Mayfield if they aren't able to trade him and the market for Mayfield has completely dried up.

You are correct and should have added an IMO.

Though you did the same by stating as fact the relationship is broken beyond repair.....and of course claiming he'll be cut. They really couldn't bring him in if they knew Watson was to be suspended a long time and tell him, "here's your chance to go prove you are the guy you were in 2020 and be traded and/or show teams you are worth an extension?"

But at least you might be done saying a homer wants Baker to play?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You are correct and should have added an IMO.

Though you did the same by stating as fact the relationship is broken beyond repair.....and of course claiming he'll be cut. They really couldn't bring him in if they knew Watson was to be suspended a long time and tell him, "here's your chance to go prove you are the guy you were in 2020 and be traded and/or show teams you are worth an extension?"

But at least you might be done saying a homer wants Baker to play?

When speaking about the future, the IMO is a given. I called you a homer for thinking Mayfield could remain on the roster. I don't feel that's realistic. He gets traded ( and for a penny on the dollor IMO) or he gets cut. IMO the ceiling for a Mayfield trade is what the Panthers got for Bridgewater and the floor is what the Texans gave to move Osweiler. The longer it takes to move Mayfield the closer the floor gets and the Browns may feel cutting him and eating the contract is better then paying draft capitol to get a team to absorb some or all of his contract.

 

[jarntt]

If they didn't want him around they could just not have him around. IF they might start him if watson is suspended you are a walking (well, typing) contradiction of yourself.

You also don't know they are trying to unload him "for literally anything". If they would take anything it's likely he would be gone.

As I said earlier, if you want to make it up anyway be more creative.

I honestly can't tell if You really have trouble understanding or just being obstinate. The following all seem to be true to a reasonable person regardless of what you want to cling to or pretend is reality:

- They no longer want him around now that they have Watson and he is nothing more than a distraction making $18M who has already said he doesn't want to be there and asked for a trade
- They can't find anyone to take him off of their hands without them eating some unknown part of his salary or he'd be gone even if for a 7th round pick in 2085
- They signed a predator who is likely going to be suspended (but when we don't know) which will make them in need of a starting QB who won't derail their season if he is indeed suspended and they may not feel comfortable that guy is Brisset.

So while it is the offseason right now, there is no reason for them to cut him today while they hold out hope someone will be desperate enough to trade for him at some point or something else develops like Watson is suspended for a year or something. They also know that while they don't want him around they may be forced to keep him if Watson is suspended and will need to pay him either way. That doesn't mean they want him around just that they may feel they have no choice right now and it is worth the downside for another few weeks of the season or if emergency arises.
Are you really incapable of understanding that the above 3 things are not mutually exclusive? You really think that if their choice was Baker on the team or no Baker and no cap hit they'd choose Baker on the team? Seriously?

IMO, and like I've said over and over, it is a possibility that he will be cut before week 1 if not traded before then. I've never said he absolutely will, but I will say that it would surprise me if he is on the roster week 1 and even more so if handsy the predator isn't suspended at the start of the year.

 

[dtgold88]

When speaking about the future, the IMO is a given. I called you a homer for thinking Mayfield could remain on the roster. I don't feel that's realistic. He gets traded ( and for a penny on the dollor IMO) or he gets cut. IMO the ceiling for a Mayfield trade is what the Panthers got for Bridgewater and the floor is what the Texans gave to move Osweiler. The longer it takes to move Mayfield the closer the floor gets and the Browns may feel cutting him and eating the contract is better then paying draft capitol to get a team to absorb some or all of his contract.

your exact quote......."it's a homer fantasy to have Baker start". Lie, dance, deflect, move goal posts, etc. you cannot get by making that comment which was comedy gold.

Ceiling is picking up, what, 80% of his deal for a late round pick and floor is dealing Baker with a 2nd for a late round pick?

Uh....OK.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

your exact quote......."it's a homer fantasy to have Baker start". Lie, dance, deflect, move goal posts, etc. you cannot get by making that comment which was comedy gold.

Ceiling is picking up, what, 80% of his deal for a late round pick and floor is dealing Baker with a 2nd for a late round pick?

Uh....OK.

Yeah OK lets see what happens with Baker.

 

[dtgold88]

I honestly can't tell if You really have trouble understanding or just being obstinate. The following all seem to be true to a reasonable person regardless of what you want to cling to or pretend is reality:

- They no longer want him around now that they have Watson and he is nothing more than a distraction making $18M who has already said he doesn't want to be there and asked for a trade
- They can't find anyone to take him off of their hands without them eating some unknown part of his salary or he'd be gone even if for a 7th round pick in 2085
- They signed a predator who is likely going to be suspended (but when we don't know) which will make them in need of a starting QB who won't derail their season if he is indeed suspended and they may not feel comfortable that guy is Brisset.

So while it is the offseason right now, there is no reason for them to cut him today while they hold out hope someone will be desperate enough to trade for him at some point or something else develops like Watson is suspended for a year or something. They also know that while they don't want him around they may be forced to keep him if Watson is suspended and will need to pay him either way. That doesn't mean they want him around just that they may feel they have no choice right now and it is worth the downside for another few weeks of the season or if emergency arises.
Are you really incapable of understanding that the above 3 things are not mutually exclusive? You really think that if their choice was Baker on the team or no Baker and no cap hit they'd choose Baker on the team? Seriously?

IMO, and like I've said over and over, it is a possibility that he will be cut before week 1 if not traded before then. I've never said he absolutely will, but I will say that it would surprise me if he is on the roster week 1 and even more so if handsy the predator isn't suspended at the start of the year.

Unfortunately for you I have understood everything you said perfectly.....
you - they don't want him around
you - they'd gladly have him around if Watson is suspended

I think we all agree the Browns would prefer to move Baker but you are really just arguing with yourself on that one.

While you claim they have no choice, this is not true at all. IF they truly don't want him around then just don't have him around and go with Brissett if Watson is suspended. You are just arguing with yourself as I keep telling you.

I also believe he'll be moved before week 1. If I had to bet on him either being released or he plays a down for the Browns in preseason or reg. season I would bet on the latter.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah OK lets see what happens with Baker.

Of course that's really all we can do......just curious, is there some punishment for you if you simply owned you made a foolish comment? Lengths you are going not to it must be pretty severe.

 

[jarntt]

Unfortunately for you I have understood everything you said perfectly.....
you - they don't want him around
you - they'd gladly have him around if Watson is suspended

I think we all agree the Browns would prefer to move Baker but you are really just arguing with yourself on that one.

While you claim they have no choice, this is not true at all. IF they truly don't want him around then just don't have him around and go with Brissett if Watson is suspended. You are just arguing with yourself as I keep telling you.

I also believe he'll be moved before week 1. If I had to bet on him either being released or he plays a down for the Browns in preseason or reg. season I would bet on the latter.

I wasn't arguing with anyone until you started quoting me. I'm pretty clear with my thoughts and no my thoughts aren't that they'd "gladly have him around if Watson is suspended" at all. And stating "arguing with myself" is kind of just your normal passive aggressive response. But, whatever...

 

[jarntt]

Of course that's really all we can do......just curious, is there some punishment for you if you simply owned you made a foolish comment? Lengths you are going not to it must be pretty severe.

Wow. You literally don't look in the mirror

 

[dtgold88]

I wasn't arguing with anyone until you started quoting me. I'm pretty clear with my thoughts and no my thoughts aren't that they'd "gladly have him around if Watson is suspended" at all. And stating "arguing with myself" is kind of just your normal passive aggressive response. But, whatever...

since they could just not have him around would seem by having him around it's gladly, no? I mean, not glad it came to that as they don't want watson suspended.

 

[dtgold88]

Wow. You literally don't look in the mirror

No need to look in a mirror for this discussion. Catch me in a lie/foolish comment and point it out then I'll own it. All he did was keep lying about it.

something else I''ll do is base my comment on the post and not the poster. Do you agree with him that a homer Browns fan fantasy is to have Baker start, knowing if he starts it means Watson is suspended (or hurt)?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Of course that's really all we can do......just curious, is there some punishment for you if you simply owned you made a foolish comment? Lengths you are going not to it must be pretty severe.

We just had a miscommunication. I don't think Mayfield would ever agree to play for the Browns ( jilted lover syndrome) nor do I think the Browns plan to ever play him. You seem to think the Browns might start Mayfield ( depending on a suspension) You stated they just needed to sit down with Mayfield and convince him it was for his own good to play, my stance is that is BS . The best thing for Mayfield is to force a trade ( no matter how shitty the offers are) or force them to cut him. It only (potentially) benefits the Brown to increase his trade value because why would Mayfield give a rats ass what the Brown get in return for him, a higher return for him doesn't benefit him and the possibility of injury is real. Where ever he plays in 2022 he'll have to prove his worth with that team and he wants that to happen when the season kicks off, not later then that.

 

[jarntt]

No need to look in a mirror for this discussion. Catch me in a lie/foolish comment and point it out then I'll own it. All he did was keep lying about it.

something else I''ll do is base my comment on the post and not the poster. Do you agree with him that a homer Browns fan fantasy is to have Baker start, knowing if he starts it means Watson is suspended (or hurt)?

There was way too much back and forth for me to read, so I don't know enough about what either of you said to comment. Based on our conversation though, I'm guessing that isn't exactly what he said