IF Peyton doesn't win a Super Bowl With Denver will he be a "bust"

[HammerDown]

On a legit tip I am not sure you get it both ways though. When we have the tired ass, lame ass, boring ass Brady/Manning debate it is often brought up that Brady " hasnt won anything in a decade", which of course means ONLY that he has not won the SB in a decade ( since he has won everything else ).. SO if you use any of that kind of logic when debating the 2 QB's I would only assume you would consider Mannings time in Denver a "bust" if he doesnt win a Super Bowl. I mean that is the only possible logical conclusion/ I think Manning is the best QB I have ever seen play and the levels that he has lifted a guy like D. Thomas, Eric Decker ( when he was there ) and Julius Thomas etc has really been special. Tough call for me as it pertains to what Denver fans should feel though. Like an earlier poster said Dnever didnt sign Manning to break records, they signed him to win Super Bowls.

So following your logic then, rmilia, and since you're especially objective on this particular debate, IF Peyton wins the SB in Denver, is there a single shred of credibility left for the "Brady is the GOAT" argument?

 

[HammerDown]

I'm not seeing anybody "dissing" Brady. What I am seeing though, is Brady fans going back to their inferiority complex mode because Manning has been getting all the attention lately.

Everytime the man shatters another record, all these threads get bumped with angry, defensive Pats and Brady fans. And it's only going to get worse over the next couple of years as Manning continues to shred and Tom Terrific gets benched and then retires.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Oh man why did you have to say that!? Now some Pats fans will be in total freak-out mode.:rollseyes:

Nah its cool glad for those 2 wins get him to 5-10 vs Brady 3- 12 would be real ugly here are their stats for games.

January 13 2014 AFCG Broncos 26-16

Brady 24/38 277 yards , 1 TD, 0 INT,

Manning 32/43 400 yards, 2 TD ,0 INT


November 24, 2013 - Week 12 - NE 34 - DEN 31 OT

Brady: 34/50, 344 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 107.4 passer rating

Manning: 19/36, 150 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 70.4 passer rating

October 7, 2012 - Week 5 - NE 31 - DEN 21

Brady: 23/31, 223 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 104.6 passer rating

Manning: 31/44, 337 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 115.4 passer rating

November 21, 2010 - Week 11 - NE 31 - IND 28

Brady: 19/25, 186 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 123.1 passer rating

Manning: 38/52, 396 yards, 4 TD, 3 INT, 96.3 passer rating

November 15, 2009 - Week 10 - IND 35 - NE 34

Brady: 29/42, 375 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 110.7 passer rating

Manning: 28/44, 327 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 97.4 passer rating

November 4, 2007 - Week 9 - NE 24 - IND 20

Brady: 21/32, 255 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 95.2 passer rating

Manning: 16/27, 225 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 83.1 passer rating

January 21, 2007 - 2006 AFC Championship Game - IND 38 - NE 34

Brady: 21/34, 232 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.5 passer rating

Manning: 27/47, 349 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.1 passer rating

November 5, 2006 - Week 9 - IND 27 - NE 20

Brady: 20/35, 201 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT, 34.0 passer rating

Manning: 20/36, 326 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 93.1 passer rating

November 7, 2005 - Week 9 - IND 40 - NE 21

Brady: 22/33, 265 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 121.4 passer rating

Manning: 28/37, 321 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 117.1 passer rating

January 16, 2005 - 2004 AFC Divisional Round - NE 20 - IND 3

Brady: 18/27, 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 92.2 passer rating

Manning: 27/42, 238 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 69.3 passer rating

September 9, 2004 - Week 1 - NE 27 - IND 24

Brady: 26/38, 335 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 111.2 passer rating

Manning: 16/29, 256 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 93.5 passer rating

January 18, 2004 - 2003 AFC Championship Game - NE 24 - IND 14

Brady: 22/37, 237 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 76.1 passer rating

Manning: 23/47, 237 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 35.5 passer rating

November 30, 2003 - Week 13 - NE 38 - IND 34

Brady: 26/35, 236 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 87.3 passer rating

Manning: 29/48, 278 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 95.7 passer rating

October 21, 2001 - Week 6 - NE 38 - IND 17

Brady: 16/20, 202 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 148.3 passer rating

Manning: 22/34, 335 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 106.9 passer rating

September 30, 2001 - Week 3 - NE 44 - IND 13

Brady: 13/23, 168 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 79.6 passer rating

Manning: 20/34, 196 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 48.2 passer rating

So too sum it up head to head

Brady 10/5 Manning 5/10
Brady 27 td/12 int Manning 30/20 int
Brady better QBR 11-4

 

[sonnyblack65]

Everytime the man shatters another record, all these threads get bumped with angry, defensive Pats and Brady fans. And it's only going to get worse over the next couple of years as Manning continues to shred and Tom Terrific gets benched and then retires.

You do realize he has played the 2nd most games of any QB ever ( 61 more than Brady), only Favre has played longer. Glad it happened for Manning with a lot less picks than Favre

 

[Manning2Luck_uJelly]

Nah its cool glad for those 2 wins get him to 5-10 vs Brady 3- 12 would be real ugly here are their stats for games.

January 13 2014 AFCG Broncos 26-16

Brady 24/38 277 yards , 1 TD, 0 INT,

Manning 32/43 400 yards, 2 TD ,0 INT


November 24, 2013 - Week 12 - NE 34 - DEN 31 OT

Brady: 34/50, 344 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 107.4 passer rating

Manning: 19/36, 150 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 70.4 passer rating

October 7, 2012 - Week 5 - NE 31 - DEN 21

Brady: 23/31, 223 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 104.6 passer rating

Manning: 31/44, 337 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 115.4 passer rating

November 21, 2010 - Week 11 - NE 31 - IND 28

Brady: 19/25, 186 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 123.1 passer rating

Manning: 38/52, 396 yards, 4 TD, 3 INT, 96.3 passer rating

November 15, 2009 - Week 10 - IND 35 - NE 34

Brady: 29/42, 375 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 110.7 passer rating

Manning: 28/44, 327 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 97.4 passer rating

November 4, 2007 - Week 9 - NE 24 - IND 20

Brady: 21/32, 255 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 95.2 passer rating

Manning: 16/27, 225 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 83.1 passer rating

January 21, 2007 - 2006 AFC Championship Game - IND 38 - NE 34

Brady: 21/34, 232 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.5 passer rating

Manning: 27/47, 349 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 79.1 passer rating

November 5, 2006 - Week 9 - IND 27 - NE 20

Brady: 20/35, 201 yards, 0 TD, 4 INT, 34.0 passer rating

Manning: 20/36, 326 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 93.1 passer rating

November 7, 2005 - Week 9 - IND 40 - NE 21

Brady: 22/33, 265 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 121.4 passer rating

Manning: 28/37, 321 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 117.1 passer rating

January 16, 2005 - 2004 AFC Divisional Round - NE 20 - IND 3

Brady: 18/27, 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 92.2 passer rating

Manning: 27/42, 238 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 69.3 passer rating

September 9, 2004 - Week 1 - NE 27 - IND 24

Brady: 26/38, 335 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 111.2 passer rating

Manning: 16/29, 256 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 93.5 passer rating

January 18, 2004 - 2003 AFC Championship Game - NE 24 - IND 14

Brady: 22/37, 237 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 76.1 passer rating

Manning: 23/47, 237 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 35.5 passer rating

November 30, 2003 - Week 13 - NE 38 - IND 34

Brady: 26/35, 236 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 87.3 passer rating

Manning: 29/48, 278 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 95.7 passer rating

October 21, 2001 - Week 6 - NE 38 - IND 17

Brady: 16/20, 202 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 148.3 passer rating

Manning: 22/34, 335 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 106.9 passer rating

September 30, 2001 - Week 3 - NE 44 - IND 13

Brady: 13/23, 168 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 79.6 passer rating

Manning: 20/34, 196 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 48.2 passer rating

So too sum it up head to head

Brady 10/5 Manning 5/10
Brady 27 td/12 int Manning 30/20 int
Brady better QBR 11-4

 

[rmilia1]

So following your logic then, rmilia, and since you're especially objective on this particular debate, IF Peyton wins the SB in Denver, is there a single shred of credibility left for the "Brady is the GOAT" argument?

There isnt one now... Brady is not the GOAT as a QB. Someone saying they would take Brady over Manning in a single game situation does not mean they consider Brady the better QB. It just means they want to win the game.. Having been fortunate enough to see Montana, Elway, Marino, Manning, Brady, Young, Warner etc etc I can say without a doubt Manning is the best pure QB of all of them. That however is not the same as saying he is the guy you would want to win a game for you. Barry Bonds was a better baseball player than Derek Jeter but if I have a guy going up with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded and I need a hit to win the Series I am taking Jeter every damn time. Same premise.

 

[HammerDown]

Brady better QBR 11-4

I could have SWORN you Brady disciples are the ones always decrying QBR, Sonny!

 

[sonnyblack65]

I could have SWORN you Brady disciples are the ones always decrying QBR, Sonny!

I dont take much stock into either, but I hear the Manning ball huggers use the " He played on worse teams, or "didnt have any talent around him" you can see with stats esp much more picks, see where the focus lays on the results.

BTW I bet that at least 75% of Pats fans will say that Montana is the GOAT. Sorry buy Brady lost that with the last 2 SB losses and Manning playoff woes hurt him

 

[sonnyblack65]

Montana > Brady all-time

TMartin>Manning Vols

 

[depraved]

As a fan of a team whose best QB has been Matt Schaub i'd gladly take either of them, and you'd never hear me cry if they lost in the SB.

 

[Tharvot]

No, even without a super bowl win, he is not a bust. Obviously, that's the ultimate goal in this whole thing, but if he comes up short he's still been the best QB in the league and better than Denver could have possibly hoped for coming off that neck surgery.


That said, I think the better question is "If Peyton wins the super bowl this year, does he retire?"

 

[TDs3nOut]

No, even without a super bowl win, he is not a bust. Obviously, that's the ultimate goal in this whole thing, but if he comes up short he's still been the best QB in the league and better than Denver could have possibly hoped for coming off that neck surgery.


That said, I think the better question is "If Peyton wins the super bowl this year, does he retire?"

I don't think so. He seems to care quite a bit about playing all five years of his deal. I also think that the chance to win back-to-back, like Elway, would be pretty enticing.

 

[geezer]

Stats in the NFL are misleading. The rules keep changing every season and a lot of the great ones from the past had very little protection and their receivers were getting mugged on a regular basis.

Do we really care who is the GOAT today? In ten years we may have different opinions. Lets just enjoy the fact that some of these games are actually entertaining and we get to see a lot of great play by great players.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Stats in the NFL are misleading. The rules keep changing every season and a lot of the great ones from the past had very little protection and their receivers were getting mugged on a regular basis.

Do we really care who is the GOAT today? In ten years we may have different opinions. Lets just enjoy the fact that some of these games are actually entertaining and we get to see a lot of great play by great players.

Absolutely If Rodgers can maintain what he is doing for another 7 years and win another SB or 2 he might be the next guy. Guy is just under 100 games played right now so time will tell. Best of my gen is Montana 4 SBs with 0 int that's Joe Cool

 

[Desean12345]

Absolutely If Rodgers can maintain what he is doing for another 7 years and win another SB or 2 he might be the next guy. Guy is just under 100 games played right now so time will tell. Best of my gen is Montana 4 SBs with 0 int that's Joe Cool

Rodgers is better than Manning and Brady.

 

[Manning2Luck_uJelly]

Rodgers is better than Manning and Brady.

Luck will surpass all three....

 

[Desean12345]

Luck will surpass all three....

He probably will pass Rodgers statistically only because Luck got about a three year head start while Rodgers to ride the pine behind that diva brett favre.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Of course he isn't a bust if he doesn't win a SB in Denver. He's a 1st round HOFer today. But if he can't win a Super Bowl with a pretty loaded Denver, he loses credibility in the GOAT discussion but that's about it. And it's not just a BradyManning issue. It's Montana, Elway etc.

 

[cwood]

Pats fans are so insecure when it comes to Peyton. It's pretty comical.

 

[HammerDown]

Pats fans are so insecure when it comes to Peyton. It's pretty comical.

Be careful saying stuff like that or you'll start getting followed around with shit like "obsession" and "blind hatred." But yeah, the hypocrisy and insecurity out of Foxboro is amazing to witness. Every time Peyton Manning smashes a new record or accomplishes something amazing, the Brady people get wound up.