If Denver wins do they become the best Offense of all time?

[dkmightyhammer]

They already have the title of the best regular season offense of all time. At least as far as scoring, TD's, and yards. If they can beat Seattle with it's #1 NFC seed and #1 ranked defense, who many are comparing to one of the best defenses of all time, will that clinch them as the #1 offense of all time?

And, on the flip side, if Seattle wins and somehow manages to keep the highest scoring offense of all time to say 10 points or less should they be considered one of the best defenses of all time?

This Superbowl is going to be insanely good just because of questions like these.

 

[WizardHawk]

Win or lose Denver's offence is probably already the tops of all times unless it is just terrible in this game and no one thinks that is going to happen.

If Seattle holds them to season low numbers on defense and wins the game then our D will be up there among the top 5 or so of all time. Probably the best since the '85 bears, but all time? No. Still a very young unit and they have a lot of room to grow.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

They already have the title of the best regular season offense of all time. At least as far as scoring, TD's, and yards. If they can beat Seattle with it's #1 NFC seed and #1 ranked defense, who many are comparing to one of the best defenses of all time, will that clinch them as the #1 offense of all time?

And, on the flip side, if Seattle wins and somehow manages to keep the highest scoring offense of all time to say 10 points or less should they be considered one of the best defenses of all time?

This Superbowl is going to be insanely good just because of questions like these.

think the Broncos are already the best offense all time (stat wise) However if it is split up from regular season to post season. Don't think the broncos offense stacked up to some of the other post season teams. Same with the Seattle Defense. There have already been more stout post season defenses.

 

[TDs3nOut]

They already have the title of the best regular season offense of all time. At least as far as scoring, TD's, and yards. If they can beat Seattle with it's #1 NFC seed and #1 ranked defense, who many are comparing to one of the best defenses of all time, will that clinch them as the #1 offense of all time?

And, on the flip side, if Seattle wins and somehow manages to keep the highest scoring offense of all time to say 10 points or less should they be considered one of the best defenses of all time?

This Superbowl is going to be insanely good just because of questions like these.

Agreed. I think that both the question you ask and whether Manning cements himself as the GOAT could both be answered "yes" in this game, at least by some observers.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

think the Broncos are already the best offense all time (stat wise) However if it is split up from regular season to post season. Don't think the broncos offense stacked up to some of the other post season teams. Same with the Seattle Defense. There have already been more stout post season defenses.

Yes, but that is what makes this game so big. Lets say for argument sake that the Seattle D just completely goes off on Denver this weekend like they did to SF back in week 2 and only allows them 3 points. Wouldn't that stick in a lot of peoples thoughts when they start discussing the best ever offenses?

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yah I think so. Despite all the trash talking the Broncos O is insane. They have a good O-Line, Moreno has really worked himself this year (likely because of a contract year but whatever), and Welker/Thomas/Decker are all good receivers. Welker is arguably top 3 at his position, Thomas is top 10 as a #1 WR IMO (I would rather have C. Johnson, Green, Marshall, Fitz, Bryant, J. Jones, possibly Jackson over him) , and Decker is a legit #2 WR.

If they beat Seattle who brings the #1 defense to the table and #4 PASS defense all time during Super Bowl era (someone posted the link earlier on the main page) I think they gotta get some credit.

What the Broncos did this year in terms of offense was ridiculous lol. Seattle defensively was ridiculous as well, but there have been some defenses IMO that were even moreso nuts. Tampa's 2002-03 team was straight out hacks. A TEXTBOOK on how you run cover 2 and the type of skillsets needed to run it effectively.

Actually made me pretty sick that Gruden inherited the best assembled defense of all time, and took Dungy's work to the SBOWL and won. Gruden IMO is one of the most overrated coaches of all time.

 

[cwood]

Who is comparing Seattle to one of the best defenses of all time? They have the best this year for sure, but I've never looked at it as a historically great defense. Just in the last few years Pittsburgh has had two comparable/better defenses.

Denver would easily be the best offense of all time with a Super Bowl win and are probably still so without it. I'll still give the edge to your Hawks because they have a complete team while nobody knows which Denver defense is going to show up.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Yah I think so. Despite all the trash talking the Broncos O is insane. They have a good O-Line, Moreno has really worked himself this year (likely because of a contract year but whatever), and Welker/Thomas/Decker are all good receivers. Welker is arguably top 3 at his position, Thomas is top 10 as a #1 WR IMO (I would rather have C. Johnson, Green, Marshall, Fitz, Bryant, J. Jones, possibly Jackson over him) , and Decker is a legit #2 WR.

If they beat Seattle who brings the #1 defense to the table and #4 PASS defense all time during Super Bowl era (someone posted the link earlier on the main page) I think they gotta get some credit.

What the Broncos did this year in terms of offense was ridiculous lol. Seattle defensively was ridiculous as well, but there have been some defenses IMO that were even moreso nuts. Tampa's 2002-03 team was straight out hacks. A TEXTBOOK on how you run cover 2 and the type of skillsets needed to run it effectively.

Actually made me pretty sick that Gruden inherited the best assembled defense of all time, and took Dungy's work to the SBOWL and won. Gruden IMO is one of the most overrated coaches of all time.

You could say that about Barry Switzer too. Gruden gets a bit more of pass in my books because he built a SB caliber team in Oakland as well.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

You could say that about Barry Switzer too. Gruden gets a bit more of pass in my books because he built a SB caliber team in Oakland as well.

Ah that's true. I can't overlook that.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Who is comparing Seattle to one of the best defenses of all time? They have the best this year for sure, but I've never looked at it as a historically great defense. Just in the last few years Pittsburgh has had two comparable/better defenses.

Denver would easily be the best offense of all time with a Super Bowl win and are probably still so without it. I'll still give the edge to your Hawks because they have a complete team while nobody knows which Denver defense is going to show up.

I'd agree with that.

Fact of the matter is, Denver is the best offense STATISTICALLY to ever play the game. Seattle is not.

The true difference end of day is pretty small (in all the offenses/defenses that have played end of day, Denver's O/Seattle's D are not that far off, but still.. fact remains, best ever vs. close to best ever).

BUT, if Seattle's D annihilates Denver's O, will that propel Seattle's D into best discussion of all time. Interesting and funny how future analysis works.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Who is comparing Seattle to one of the best defenses of all time? They have the best this year for sure, but I've never looked at it as a historically great defense. Just in the last few years Pittsburgh has had two comparable/better defenses.

Denver would easily be the best offense of all time with a Super Bowl win and are probably still so without it. I'll still give the edge to your Hawks because they have a complete team while nobody knows which Denver defense is going to show up.

I've read articles this week comparing them to historic teams like the 70's Vikes and the 85 Bears. Some analysts are saying this could be the best secondary unit since the AFC-NFC merger in 1971. I'm not making it up you can quickly google it and see for yourself. Seattle's defense is historically good. That's why I ask the question; if they hold the best offensive team ever to under 10 points will that solidify them in the talk for best ever? It would have to give them some merit in that discussion wouldn't it?

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Don't think anyone is saying best all time. There was an analysis done (someone posted it on here) that showed Seattle as the #4 pass defense of all time (post Super Bowl era), but they hardly have the #1 rush D of all time.

Seattle's D is pretty epic at the moment, but not near the 02 Bucs (who was #1 in that list in terms of pass defense (mind you Seattle #4 in pass defense).... Sapp + McFarland + Rice = GTFO).

 

[dkmightyhammer]

I'd agree with that.

Fact of the matter is, Denver is the best offense STATISTICALLY to ever play the game. Seattle is not.

The true difference end of day is pretty small (in all the offenses/defenses that have played end of day, Denver's O/Seattle's D are not that far off, but still.. fact remains, best ever vs. close to best ever).

BUT, if Seattle's D annihilates Denver's O, will that propel Seattle's D into best discussion of all time. Interesting and funny how future analysis works.

Ya, that's what I'm thinking too. I don't think that Seattle is in that conversation yet, but if they have a historic defensive game in this Superbowl they'd have to be.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Who is comparing Seattle to one of the best defenses of all time? They have the best this year for sure, but I've never looked at it as a historically great defense. Just in the last few years Pittsburgh has had two comparable/better defenses.

Denver would easily be the best offense of all time with a Super Bowl win and are probably still so without it. I'll still give the edge to your Hawks because they have a complete team while nobody knows which Denver defense is going to show up.

That is strictly true, of course, but it seems reasonable to me to expect the version most recently seen in the playoffs. The Broncos offense has also done a really good job in the playoffs of using a balanced attack that keeps its defense off the field about ten minutes longer than the opposing defense. I think doing that again is a likely key for Denver on Sunday.

 

[cwood]

I've read articles this week comparing them to historic teams like the 70's Vikes and the 85 Bears. Some analysts are saying this could be the best secondary unit since the AFC-NFC merger in 1971. I'm not making it up you can quickly google it and see for yourself. Seattle's defense is historically good. That's why I ask the question; if they hold the best offensive team ever to under 10 points will that solidify them in the talk for best ever? It would have to give them some merit in that discussion wouldn't it?

Looking at results:

2013 Seahawks - 4378 yards and 14.4 points per game given up

Recent Steelers teams:

2011 - 4348 yards and 14.2 ppg
2010 - 4429 yards and 14.5 ppg
2008 - 3795 yards and 13.9 ppg
2007 - 4262 yards and 16.8 ppg

Jets:

2009 - 4037 yards and 14.8 ppg

This is comparing modern era to modern era. The Steelers have had one of the best defenses of all time, but for the Seahawks it's yet to be determined. They look like an average best defense for any given year at least as average as a best defense can look.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Looking at results:

2013 Seahawks - 4378 yards and 14.4 points per game given up

Recent Steelers teams:

2011 - 4348 yards and 14.2 ppg
2010 - 4429 yards and 14.5 ppg
2008 - 3795 yards and 13.9 ppg
2007 - 4262 yards and 16.8 ppg

Jets:

2009 - 4037 yards and 14.8 ppg

This is comparing modern era to modern era. The Steelers have had one of the best defenses of all time, but for the Seahawks it's yet to be determined. They look like an average best defense for any given year at least as average as a best defense can look.

I agree sort of. I'd say they look a bit beyond average. But they have an opportunity that none of the teams you listed had. Seattle gets the chance to measure itself in the Superbowl against the best offense of all time. If Seattle gives up 30 or 40 points you'd get no argument from me, however if they could hold them to 10 or 7 or 3 they'd have to get into the discussion based off that alone wouldn't they?

 

[packerzrule]

think the Broncos are already the best offense all time (stat wise)

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[Uhsplit]

Who is comparing Seattle to one of the best defenses of all time? They have the best this year for sure, but I've never looked at it as a historically great defense. Just in the last few years Pittsburgh has had two comparable/better defenses.

Denver would easily be the best offense of all time with a Super Bowl win and are probably still so without it. I'll still give the edge to your Hawks because they have a complete team while nobody knows which Denver defense is going to show up.

I'm not quite there yet in thinking Seattle has a historical D. It is without a doubt the best Seahawk D I have ever seen. If we throttle Denver in the Super Bowl, then I might take a closer look.

 

[SonnyCID]

Looking at results:

2013 Seahawks - 4378 yards and 14.4 points per game given up

Recent Steelers teams:

2011 - 4348 yards and 14.2 ppg
2010 - 4429 yards and 14.5 ppg
2008 - 3795 yards and 13.9 ppg
2007 - 4262 yards and 16.8 ppg

Jets:

2009 - 4037 yards and 14.8 ppg

This is comparing modern era to modern era. The Steelers have had one of the best defenses of all time, but for the Seahawks it's yet to be determined. They look like an average best defense for any given year at least as average as a best defense can look.

The Hawks have more turnovers this year than any of those defenses. The only one even close was the 2010 Steelers.

Turnovers forced:

2013 Seahawks - 39

2011 - Steelers - 15
2010 - Steelers - 35
2008 - Steelers - 29
2007 - Steelers - 25

2009 - Jets - 31

I'm not arguing that the Hawks are the best defense ever, just that they have been very, very good this year. Arguably the best in the past ten years.

 

[cwood]

I agree sort of. I'd say they look a bit beyond average. But they have an opportunity that none of the teams you listed had. Seattle gets the chance to measure itself in the Superbowl against the best offense of all time. If Seattle gives up 30 or 40 points you'd get no argument from me, however if they could hold them to 10 or 7 or 3 they'd have to get into the discussion based off that alone wouldn't they?

Statistically I think it's right in the middle of the teams I listed which is every team from 2008-present except for last year, but I agree that holding the best offense of all time to very few points would get them in the discussion to an extent... but the 2000 Ravens, 85 Bears, etc are all still out there. They aren't touching those teams at this point. I still think your team is much more complete than the Broncos and will probably win despite my desire to see Peyton get a second ring. They're also young on defense so they will probably only get better for at least for the next year or two.