How dumb is it to say that Manning choked?

[boltfan72]

you seem to have quite a preponderance for exaggeration....and a severe lack of critical thinking ability.

Last year the audience was 111 million in the US alone. Come on... say that number with me... ONE HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION. So yeah, the correct units when discussing number of people viewing the super bowl is in the hundreds of millions. I just helped explain this to my 9 year old daughter the other day. She even comprehends.

Perhaps after yesterday's 43-8 destruction you're having a hard time comprehending numbers. That's ok, I understand.

 

[boltfan72]

Facts:

The Broncos AVERAGED 38 points per game in the regular season. They scored under 30 only 3 times. Their worst point total was 20 points.

In the playoffs, they averaged 19 points per game, lower than their worst offensive performance of the entire 16 game season.

Seems to support the argument that the king of the regular season is a shadow of his regular season self in the playoffs.

The only reason he has a ring - an unbelievable performance by his defense in Baltimore in 2006, giving his team a win after he put up his worst QB rating in a single game in his entire career.

So yes, proven once again, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Right, because Seattle just stood around and waited for him to miss targets all day.

Jesus, we were told we didn't deserve any respect until we won something and now that we did, we are told it wasn't deserved because the other team choked. I love the interwebs.

Who said it wasn't deserved? The hawks just kicked the snot out of the Broncos in the Super Bowl. The victory was much deserved. Even if Manning played great, I don't the the Hawks were loosing that game. My point is; Manning doesn't play well in big games. He never has, and he didn't yesterday.

You won the Super Bowl, stop searching for acceptance.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

with right around 100 million local, nothing would convince me that there are multiple hundreds of millions international watching a game none of them even understand. I would be surprised if there were 150 million total.

Now your grasping at straws.

 

[757Hokie83]

Also, it's weird to me to blame the O Line when all we hear all year is how Peyton adjusts everything and makes all the line calls, etc...

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not necessarily blaming Denver's O-line..the o-line has to be pretty good for them to get to the super bowl, I'm crediting Seattle's D-Line for completely outplaying them in every way.

Peyton didn't choke, Seattle was just the vastly superior team and outplayed the Broncos in every facet of the game and every position on the field

 

[ATL96Steeler]

No way

Choking is missing a 25 yd FG in a dome stadium...missing a 2' putt to win the money in weekend game or on the PGA Tour...i.e. something you would ordinary do 80-90% of the time, but you don't do it under pressure....imo that's choking.

Manning's front line was severely out played in this game...the SEA front 4 alone caused havoc consistently pushing the pocket into his face, and any additional rushers were coming mostly free, if they didn't hit him, they got him off his spot, made him think more about the pass rush than the routes.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Also, it's weird to me to blame the O Line when all we hear all year is how Peyton adjusts everything and makes all the line calls, etc...

Well...the breakdown did occur on the OL...so if you want to blame...they didn't do their jobs.

At the same time, you do have to credit the SEA DL, because the trench battle typically decides the game, but this was just domination...when you're getting push from all sides as SEA was...it's tough on any QB because you're attention is now more on the rush than the routes.

 

[JDM]

The O Line isn't the reason Peyton gifted seattle the first interception under no pressure. It's not the reason he forced that second ball when it was blatantly obvious he could try it 100 times and wouldn't complete a pass one of them.

Peyton played a terrible first half.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The O Line isn't the reason Peyton gifted seattle the first interception under no pressure. It's not the reason he forced that second ball when it was blatantly obvious he could try it 100 times and wouldn't complete a pass one of them.

Peyton played a terrible first half.

Goes w/o saying, but to your points...whether he was being hit or not, I thought he felt the pressure on those bad throws, and on the pick 6 his arm was hit...even missing the open bomb for 6, no one was in his face then...but, the SEA DL was in his head.

PM played a poor game game, but to say he choked it away does a disservice to the SEA DEF imo...they dominating the trenches.

 

[JDM]

Feeling pressure when it isn't there is lack of poise.

On the pick 6 I know his arm was hit. I knew the second he started to step into the throw that it would be, and he should have too. It was obvious.

 

[rmilia1]

Listen Manning sucked yesterday and wasnt much better his first 2 SB's. In 3 SB' Manning led offenses have scored 48 points ( 16 per game ), he is completing a nice % at 69% but is only averaging about 5.5 yards per attempt which is SHIT, more INT's than TD's ( 4-3 ) and has given up 2 pick 6's which negate 14 points of the 48 his team has scored so the reality is that Manning is responsible for scoring 34 points more than he has given up in 3 SB's. Its amazing he won 1 really. Guy is one of the GREATEST QB's of all time but he has stunk it up in SB's. Just the way it is.

 

[HizzleRocker]

1) Trying to run 1st kickoff back from basically goal post - STUPID. This put them inside the 9. Move that up to the 20 and maybe the next play doesn't happen or at least doesn't result in a safety. Not Peyton's Fault.

2) Center snapping ball both at wrong time and over QB's head into back of endzone on first play. Not Peyton's Fault.

3) Getting his arm hit as he threw the ball due to no time, resulting in int. Not Peyton's Fault.

4) 27 total yards rushing on 14 carries for a whopping 1.9 ypc. Not Peyton's Fault.

5) Letting Harvin run the first kickoff back for a TD to start 2nd half. Not Peyton's Fault.

6) D. Thomas flat out dropping a ball for a fumble instead of holding on for the first down. Not Peyton's Fault.


I could go on and on with this list. Seattle was the better team yesterday. This is not even close to a choke job by Peyton though.

 

[Steelboy84]

Peyton didn't choke, Seattle was just the vastly superior team and outplayed the Broncos in every facet of the game and every position on the field

This

Manning had nothing to do with how horrible the defense and special teams were. And his O-line to boot.

 

[JDM]

Getting hit while he threw was Peyton's fault. He wasn't blindsided; it is his job to see that and not attempt a throw anyone with a brain could see was going to have bad consequences the second he started to step up.

The safety was not his fault. Both interceptions were; the kick return that sealed it was one of the worst coaching moves I've seen; Thomas's fumble was a non factor in an already decided game.

 

[starbigd]

Peyton Manning choked in college.

For most of his career in Indy, he choked there as well.

He's choked his ENTIRE career in Denver.

In ALL these teams, he's had the favored team to win most of the time. Usually *because* of him! So to say he's not a choker is hilarious.

At some point, you have to look at his REPEATED playoff failures, and point the finger at him. He is what he is......a BIG GAME CHOKER. That's not just an opinion, it's a statistical fact.

This loss wasn't completely his fault......but his teams ALWAYS come up short. Sooner or later you have to lame blame at his feet.

I'm just sayin'

 

[redseat]

1) Trying to run 1st kickoff back from basically goal post - STUPID. This put them inside the 9. Move that up to the 20 and maybe the next play doesn't happen or at least doesn't result in a safety. Not Peyton's Fault.

2) Center snapping ball both at wrong time and over QB's head into back of endzone on first play. Not Peyton's Fault.

3) Getting his arm hit as he threw the ball due to no time, resulting in int. Not Peyton's Fault.

4) 27 total yards rushing on 14 carries for a whopping 1.9 ypc. Not Peyton's Fault.

5) Letting Harvin run the first kickoff back for a TD to start 2nd half. Not Peyton's Fault.

6) D. Thomas flat out dropping a ball for a fumble instead of holding on for the first down. Not Peyton's Fault.


I could go on and on with this list. Seattle was the better team yesterday. This is not even close to a choke job by Peyton though.

if this happened to Brady would you say the same thing?

 

[rmilia1]

In Mannings 23 career playoff games his teams have been favored to win 16 times. They are 11-12. For all the " Peyton hasnt had the talent around him" talk the REALITY is that his teams have been favored in 70% of their playoff games and havent even won 50%. Thats choking by SOMEONE and in the NFL that someone is the QB.

 

[Mondio]

I am not saying manning choked at all, but I'd say #3 was his fault. That pressure was coming g right in his face and everyone could see it. Manning had no business trying to throw that pass. Tuck it, take a sack, try and move your feet, but do not step into that rush and try and throw that prayer. Nothing good happens in that situation. We all looked at each other wondering what he was thinking trying to throw that ball.

 

[starbigd]

In Mannings 23 career playoff games his teams have been favored to win 16 times. They are 11-12. For all the " Peyton hasnt had the talent around him" talk the REALITY is that his teams have been favored in 70% of their playoff games and havent even won 50%. Thats choking by SOMEONE and in the NFL that someone is the QB.

THIS. I don't know how we're even discussing this. He couldn't win in college......and for the most part, he can't win in the pros, DESPITE being favored every time. He is by DEFINITION a choker. It is what it is.

 

[BigKen]

Let's be totally honest. If you're a Manning lover or a Bronco fan, you'll defend his performance to the death. If you're a Manning hater, Bronco hater or a hard core fan of any other team, you'll heckle Bronco fans until your last breath.

I hate the term choke, but some folks equate losing anything to choking so they'll never be convinced otherwise.

Super Bowl XLVIII was the Seattle Seahawks applying defensive pressure on Peyton Manning to the point that he could not make a football play of significance. This is a QB that surpassed 400 yards passing on a number of occasions and exceeded 4 TDs on a regular basis.

Yesterday, Peyton Manning completed 34 passes for 280 yards and 1 TD. He completed a 2 point PAT. The problem was that his yards per completion was 8.2 yards. The running backs could run through the Seattle defense and the play action wasn't even a consideration. The Seattle secondary played stellar coverage and didn't allow the Bronco receivers to get open. Did Peyton choke? NO.
Peyton Manning was required to make adjustments and he couldn't think on his feet under pressure. He reverted to the Peyton Manning that lies under all of this past season's rampage to 55 TDs and 5500 yards passing, which is the Peyton Manning who cannot adjust to pressure and the change that pressure brings. The Bronco offense shit the bed and had to lie in it.

The Bronco defense hasn't received much of the blame for the game either. They certainly didn't do much to stop the passing of Russell Wilson. He only had 208 yards passing but his passes were lasers and they were dead nut on target. He had 2 TDs. For a defense that going to shut down the running game, they actally did a pretty good job at the beginning of the game, but by the half, they looked totally disorganized. Seattle's offense that good? Bronco defense that bad?? Depends on which side of the fence you sit.

On a final note......Peyton Manning says that he'll play again next year if his doctor says he's ok in March. I think 2014 was Peyton Manning's swan song. He had the team that he wanted. He had a GM that did everything possible to construct what he thought was a Super Bowl winner He had a coach that him run the offense that he wanted without interference. I think he'll retire.

....................................the Broncos will not be back in the AFC Championship Game next year.....................