Hate the DH? Don't think Ortiz belongs in the HOF? Bob Ryan and Edgar Martinez just shamed you...

[Mondo Jay]

as soon as you get that MLB sanctioned failed test im sure people will notice.

Is that what is keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the Hall?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Is that what is keeping Bonds and Clemens out of the Hall?

already covered, read on.

 

[Mondo Jay]

already covered, read on.

Okay then. Looks like none of them are getting in.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Okay then. Looks like none of them are getting in.

i didnt say that.

 

[Mondo Jay]

i didnt say that.

I thought I did... Failed tests won't be needed to keep suspected juicers out. The voters have been pretty clear about that. No HOF for Papi.

 

[Rock Strongo]

We'll see

 

[redseat]

Post Season alone should get him in... But I don't think he gets in based on the "suspected" steroid use. Plus to me I also want a player to play a position...

 

[soxfan1468927]

I don't think being a DH should disqualify you from the HOF, but it obviously makes a player less valuable, which should be taken into account when determining whether or not they are HOF worthy.

 

[navamind]

I don't think being a DH should disqualify you from the HOF, but it obviously makes a player less valuable, which should be taken into account when determining whether or not they are HOF worthy.

some of Edgar's best years actually came at 3B. He had nine seasons of 5+ fWAR, three of which came at 3rd (90-92). even with the DH penalty, WAR likes him.

 

[soxfan1468927]

some of Edgar's best years actually came at 3B. He had nine seasons of 5+ fWAR, three of which came at 3rd (90-92). even with the DH penalty, WAR likes him.

I would have voted for Edgar right away. He really had 7 prime seasons as a DH (1995-2001) where he averaged 5.8 WAR per season. Ortiz has 1 season above that (2007, 6.4). He also averaged a 164 OPS+, and Ortiz has 1 season above that in his career.

 

[dredinis21]

Post Season alone should get him in... But I don't think he gets in based on the "suspected" steroid use. Plus to me I also want a player to play a position...

You could say the same thing about Pablo if that is the only qualifier.

 

[Bolts]

The DH sucks

 

[williewilliejuan]

I thought I did... Failed tests won't be needed to keep suspected juicers out. The voters have been pretty clear about that. No HOF for Papi.

The fact that he only played half a position and had to cheat to be good at it should be enough to keep him out.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The fact that he only played half a position and had to cheat to be good at it should be enough to keep him out.

Yep.

Personally, I don't think PED usage before MLB cracked down on it should keep players out of the HOF, but so far, the voters have been pretty clear that it will.

On top of the PED shit, you've got the DH issue. Regardless of how a Boston sports writer and a former DH feel about Ortiz's chances at the hall, he's got two pretty major strikes against him.

Things can obviously change, but at this point, I'd say it's unlikely that Ortiz gets into the HOF.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

All comes down to how voters view steroid users

Mike Piazza never failed a test, was never on a list, etc....Possibly the best offensive catcher in history, and he isn't in because voters think he is "suspect"

yeah well his minor league teammates had a lot to say about him lol

"hearsay is more compelling than a failed test"

 

[Rock Strongo]

"hearsay is more compelling than actual failed test"

what MLBPA sanctioned failed test?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Mike Piazza's Bacne Was Legendary And Suspicious

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

what MLBPA sanctioned failed test?

Doesn't matter. It was a failed test, and it made it into the public's psyche.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Doesn't matter. It was a failed test, and it made it into the public's psyche.

"publics psyche"

lol

he failed a test for something we have no clue what it was. it could be joe weider weight gainer or horse grade steroids.

we dont know.

and yes, i think he took something...of course he did. what? n o clue. do you know?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Another day of "Different rules for Rocks favorite players"