Hassan Whiteside

[WiggyRuss]

"Whiteside does not come close when it comes to wins and losses."


yet you suck Kyries nuts here everyday when he, as a team leader, lead the Cavs to the worst cumulative record in the NBA over the course of seasons.

Whiteside had played how many minutes with Wade/Bosh/Deng/Chalmers?

Like the Heats losing is his fault?
He is basically the only thing that is worth watching on the Heat for most casual fans.

cmon now bro....Kyrie Irving is a 3 time all star at the age of 22. At 22 Whiteside was flunking out of the league on his way to playing in the Lebaneese Basketball Association.

Kyrie was recently named the MVP of the World Championships.

and Kyrie Irving never played with anyone a fifth as good as Chris Bosh until this season.

I will be the first to admit he had a lot of growing up to do- but was he not thrown into just about an impossible situation?

Dan Gilbert "Hey Kyrie- ya know that the last half decade we traded away just about all our assets for win-now vets that are so passed their prime they cant play, we lost the best player in the league and had a roster that was built around him- we know your 19 years old- and that you LOOK 19 unlike the hometown self proclaimed savior we are charging you with replacing- we arent gonna put anything around you for at least 2-3 more years since we plan on going in the tank and getting as many high picks as possible and trading away anything with value except Anderson Varejao since hes the only player the fans know- but go out and there and do your best"



having said that- Kyrie bears responsbility. His effort on D was poor to say it nicely. He was not a great leader. How many guys are at 20 or 21?

Kyrie turns 23 next month- and this season he has really taken a step up in maturity. He is a much better defender- and he is playing the best ball of his life....but to say that it happened off the bat that he could become a leader, a great two way player and lead this team to the playoffs? Thats something LeBron couldnt do his first two years in the league. No way could Kyrie do that.

Right now?

With Kyrie on a 5 year deal that does not kick in until next year and at his age? There are only a handful of players in the entire league i would trade him for.

 

[bksballer89]

Here come the excuses for Kyrie lol.

The kid wasn't doing anything good with Cleveland unless Lebron came there. I would never want him on my team as the #1 option because he proved he is a shitty leader and can't make players around him better.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Here come the excuses for Kyrie lol.

The kid wasn't doing anything good with Cleveland unless Lebron came there. I would never want him on my team as the #1 option because he proved he is a shitty leader and can't make players around him better.

yes at the age of 21 he proved he is a shitty leader

do you even look at what you type?

do you know many playoff appearances LeBron, Durant and CP3 had combined their first 2 years in the league?

the number is the same as how many NBA championship rings I own.

If the Cavs called up the Heat and offered Kyrie for Bosh Riley would throw a bash in his South Beach condo with so many hookers and so much blow that even Jr Smith would call it a rockin party

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

yes at the age of 21 he proved he is a shitty leader

do you even look at what you type?

do you know many playoff appearances LeBron, Durant and CP3 had combined their first 2 years in the league?

the number is the same as how many NBA championship rings I own.

If the Cavs called up the Heat and offered Kyrie for Bosh Riley would throw a bash in his South Beach condo with so many hookers and so much blow that even Jr Smith would call it a rockin party

Yet you are the person who originally brought up wins and losses.

Next, your Kyrie for Bosh comment is borderline moronic, simply because of the age difference.

If the Cavs offered James for Davis, the Pelicans would laugh in their face.

I doubt Riley would trade Whiteside for Kyrie at this point, though.

 

[bksballer89]

yes at the age of 21 he proved he is a shitty leader

do you even look at what you type?

do you know many playoff appearances LeBron, Durant and CP3 had combined their first 2 years in the league?

the number is the same as how many NBA championship rings I own.

If the Cavs called up the Heat and offered Kyrie for Bosh Riley would throw a bash in his South Beach condo with so many hookers and so much blow that even Jr Smith would call it a rockin party

His win % was garbage with Cleveland. Lebron, Durant, & Paul all had much better win % in their first 3 years. Lebron & Durant both were in the playoffs with 50+ win by year 3.

Kyrie was winning 33 games in year 3 and finished several games out of the playoffs.

You look like an idiot.

Cleveland was going NOWHERE with Kyrie as the top dog. They would struggle to make the playoffs in a shitty east this year just like they struggled last year to even contend for a playoffs spot. Kyrie is one of those guys that must be a 2nd or 3rd option on a team for his team to ever be succesful. His teams will never go anywhere with him being the clear top player

 

[WiggyRuss]

His win % was garbage with Cleveland. Lebron, Durant, & Paul all had much better win % in their first 3 years. Lebron & Durant both were in the playoffs with 50+ win by year 3.

Kyrie was winning 33 games in year 3 and finished several games out of the playoffs.

You look like an idiot.

Cleveland was going NOWHERE with Kyrie as the top dog. They would struggle to make the playoffs in a shitty east this year just like they struggled last year to even contend for a playoffs spot. Kyrie is one of those guys that must be a 2nd or 3rd option on a team for his team to ever be succesful. His teams will never go anywhere with him being the clear top player

except team USA

 

[bksballer89]

Are you seriously using team USA as your case? Team USA is the stupidest example to use ever.

Team USA is pretty much an All Star team with 1 or 2 role players on there.

Just for the record I'll take Anthony Davis, Harden, Klay, & Curry over Kyrie anyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Are you seriously using team USA as your case? Team USA is the stupidest example to use ever.

Team USA is pretty much an All Star team with 1 or 2 role players on there.

Just for the record I'll take Anthony Davis, Harden, Klay, & Curry over Kyrie anyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

add Durant to that list and let Klay do what he is doing for the whole year- and add Westbrook if he can remain healthy and thats pretty much my list of players id trade Kyrie for.....

 

[WiggyRuss]

other guys that were on the border were Aldridge- but hes almost 30....Lillard is probably personal prefernce so i could see his name up there....if Boogie wasnt such a nut case he might be on there too....pre-devastating injury Paul George would probably have been there but that injury makes me hesitate big time....Marc Gasol is surprisingly older than ya think....

Wall and Griffin were my last 2 off

 

[trojanfan12]

To be fair, while I agree that Wiggy often overly praises Kyrie to the point of embarrassing himself (a fact that he seems to be blissfully unaware of), Cleveland appeared to be trying to use the OKC model of building a team. They improved from 24 wins to 33 wins over his first 2 seasons and considering how weak the East is, if Lebron had stayed in Miami and the Cavs had kept Wiggins, they may very well have been fighting for a #7 or #8 seed in this years playoffs.

Obviously, we'll never know because Lebron returning to the Cavs completely changed the script, but the Cavs at least appeared to be heading in the right direction.

Having said that: Hey Wiggy, let's not go enshrining Kyrie into the Hall of Fame just yet. He's got a looooooooong way to go before he gets there and if my team needed to add one more player to become a title contender right now, Kyrie is way down on the list of players I'd take to put them over the top.

 

[Black Adam]

Yet you are the person who originally brought up wins and losses.

Next, your Kyrie for Bosh comment is borderline moronic, simply because of the age difference.

If the Cavs offered James for Davis, the Pelicans would laugh in their face.

I doubt Riley would trade Whiteside for Kyrie at this point, though.

gotta agree here. no way in hell i'd give AD up...even for LeClown...

 

[ChrisperJ10]

gotta agree here. no way in hell i'd give AD up...even for LeClown...

I can already tell you hate James so you're helps biased when it comes to this debate. I bet you'd take James over the Brow any day of the week!

As much as you hate James... You'd want him over Anthony Davis on your team, just like any smart fan would.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

LeBron with any team would make the playoffs, and do damage. Hell, look at the teams he had before going to Miami.

End of story

 

[ChrisperJ10]

James will probably go into his late 30s and still be the one of the best players in the league. The dude is a FREAK.

 

[WiggyRuss]

To be fair, while I agree that Wiggy often overly praises Kyrie to the point of embarrassing himself (a fact that he seems to be blissfully unaware of), Cleveland appeared to be trying to use the OKC model of building a team. They improved from 24 wins to 33 wins over his first 2 seasons and considering how weak the East is, if Lebron had stayed in Miami and the Cavs had kept Wiggins, they may very well have been fighting for a #7 or #8 seed in this years playoffs.

Obviously, we'll never know because Lebron returning to the Cavs completely changed the script, but the Cavs at least appeared to be heading in the right direction.

Having said that: Hey Wiggy, let's not go enshrining Kyrie into the Hall of Fame just yet. He's got a looooooooong way to go before he gets there and if my team needed to add one more player to become a title contender right now, Kyrie is way down on the list of players I'd take to put them over the top.

if you dont like Kyrie PLEASE dont waste your time reading this post...and pretty much- dont waste your time anyway, lol

ya gotta say thoguh- Kyrie going 47/40/87 his rookie year on that awful team is pretty damn impressive. Rookie guards simply dont do that kind of thing. Look at the numbers of the best rookie guards over the last 15 years and the kind of shooting season Kyrie had is extremely rare- and its not like this kid looked like Wall or Rose or Westbrook at the age of 19....he actually LOOKED like a 19 year old when he came in- hes not a physical freak like RW or Wall or Rose.....47% from the field, 40% from 3, and 87% from line for a rookie guard is historic numbers for a guy that shoots from the outside and had over 5 assists a game.

to say Kyrie will make the hall of fame at this point at the age of 22 is insane. But he is certainly laying the groundwork that it requires - and going forward if he can get a couple of titles that would be huge. I mean- playing with Bron- and making his 3rd all star game in 4 NBA seasons- as long as he stays healthy how many all star games is he gonna miss the next 5 years? if he missed one I think that would be fair. Trust me- I realize its WAAAAAAY getting ahead of yourself- but at the age of 27 he COULD have 2 titles on his resume and 6 all star games and that would not be a huge stretch and he would still be in the height of his prime.

The kid is clutch too- and i realize he has not even scratched the surface of what it means to play at the highest level when it counts the most in the playoffs-thats a whole new test----- but he has demonstrated (in the limited way that he could) that when he gets those opportunities he thrives on them whether its doing something like winning the Rising Stars MVP when he was a rookie by going 8/8 from 3 and having 34 points....or last year winning the All Star Game MVP going 11/14 for 31 points....or going from a roster invite to tournament MVP for the World Championship team....or the insane amount of game winning shots he has made in his early career (im not exaggerating when I say he might have the most game winning shots in the league since coming in but id hardly blame you if you didnt know that he has so many while doing it on teams that didnt make the playoffs)---and even how he has raised his game this year.....

TRUST ME- I realize the playoffs are a totally different ball game- but its hard to deny that whenever Kyrie has gotten the opportunity on a big stage he has pretty much universally exceeded everyones expectations. If LeBron is more Magic than Jordan- than Kyrie is more Kobe than LeBron. Its how he carries himself- Windhorst was skeptical that Kyrie and James were intent on playing together because Kyrie actually rejected a LeBron offer to work out over the previous summer- Its said that Kyrie is not a real social guy in the league and kind of does his own thing and doesnt really get into the buddy buddy rah rah AAU jerk each other off BS that the NBA has turned into....I am telling you right now there is no doubt in my mind that Kyrie wont only be ready for the playoffs- he will exceed everyones expectations once he gets his first chance to do so.

 

[Flauge]

James will probably go into his late 30s and still be the one of the best players in the league. The dude is a FREAK.

Maybe.. Maybe not. Steroids can break down a body quick (I am not saying he is on them, just putting it out there, I believe most professional athletes do some form of PEDs.) He also has played a ton of basketball from Team USA to 5 finals run. His body has taken a huge beating. Guys tend to break down quick. Look at Kobe. You ask me 3 years ago if he finishes his career with the most points in NBA history, I would have not only said he did it, I would have said he might be the first guy to get 40,000 points. Now, I don't think he passes Karl Malone for #2, let alone Kareem.

But I agree LeBron is a physical freak. Most skilled player in the league.

 

[Black Adam]

I can already tell you hate James so you're helps biased when it comes to this debate. I bet you'd take James over the Brow any day of the week!

As much as you hate James... You'd want him over Anthony Davis on your team, just like any smart fan would.

at age 30? no i wouldn't. and that's hate notwithstanding...

 

[Flauge]

I get your point CL. Davis is 21 (22 next month)... which blows my mind considering how good he is. I would take Davis if we're talking about my team's future prospects..say 5 or 6 years out. But if we are talking about this season or next.. LeBron.

 

[trojanfan12]

On the Lebron/Brow debate.

If the goal is to contend right now and for the next couple years, you take Lebron. If the goal is to spend a couple of years putting a team together so that you can contend for the following 8-10 years, you take the Brow.

I'd be happy if the Lakers got either one.

 

[Black Adam]

LeBron with any team would make the playoffs, and do damage. Hell, look at the teams he had before going to Miami.

End of story

all the rings he acquired before going there back up your point considerably...

oh wait...