POLL Grading Gruden So Far

[Mike A. S.]

What grade would you give to Jon Gruden's second go-round in Oakland so far?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

They played far better than expected yesterday, and lost Week one vs what I believe is the games best team

So slightly above F with room for hope

 

[PhillyGreen]

Incomplete.

Very few coaches succeed in their first season. I think the Raiders were stupid for giving him that contract but he at least deserves a year or two to see if he can do something.

But.....it is not looking good. That Mack deal reeks of epic stupidity.

 

[Judge Fudge]

Ask me or tag me at the end of the season.

It takes time to get everything right with your program

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Incomplete.

Very few coaches succeed in their first season. I think the Raiders were stupid for giving him that contract but he at least deserves a year or two to see if he can do something.

But.....it is not looking good. That Mack deal reeks of epic stupidity.

Not so sure on the Mack deal, although your opinion is tge popular one

That team isn't close, pouring so much cap space into one player, or piling up draft picks, i think they may have made the right move

 

[Fountain City Blues]

He looks like a much better coach than he is a GM. That roster is not good.

 

[CaptainStubing]

i believe Gruden and the Raiders are getting this team ready for Vegas so I'm not sure they are necessarily focused on winning right now. I think they are more focused on grooming some of their young players and probably wouldn't mind stock piling some draft picks over the next couple of years so when they hit Vegas in 2020 they will have a foundation (they hope) to win there.

I think, in their mind, the veterans they have brought in can help to groom some of the younger guys but they will be gone by the time they move to Vegas.

 

[PhillyGreen]

Not so sure on the Mack deal, although your opinion is tge popular one

That team isn't close, pouring so much cap space into one player, or piling up draft picks, i think they may have made the right move

He has to hit on the draft picks he gave up for Mack. Only then would it be worth it.

 

[CaptainStubing]

overwhelmingly, people believe Gruden screwed the pooch with the Mack trade ....... however, wouldn't the Patriots have done the same thing?

The Pats don't give out enormous contracts ... they trade players for max value in return before they have to pay them huge money.

 

[fordman84]

I'd give him a C at worst. He's not even trying to win this year. He is trying to pull off a Jimmy Johnson...trade your best player to get picks and then suck for at least a year to turn those picks into the next 5 years of domination.

He's probably pissed that the Bills somehow look worse than his team.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I'd give him a C at worst. He's not even trying to win this year. He is trying to pull off a Jimmy Johnson...trade your best player to get picks and then suck for at least a year to turn those picks into the next 5 years of domination.

He's probably pissed that the Bills somehow look worse than his team.

Yep. Can't trade Khalil Mack and claim you're doing anything else. It's all about figuring out what works for Carr this year.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

overwhelmingly, people believe Gruden screwed the pooch with the Mack trade ....... however, wouldn't the Patriots have done the same thing?

The Pats don't give out enormous contracts ... they trade players for max value in return before they have to pay them huge money.

They've overpaid players before like McCourty- so that may be a tad hot. If Chandler Jones weren't a knucklehead, he's still a Patriot I bet.

 

[CaptainStubing]

They've overpaid players before like McCourty- so that may be a tad hot. If Chandler Jones

It's rare for the pats

 

[PhillyGreen]

I'd give him a C at worst. He's not even trying to win this year. He is trying to pull off a Jimmy Johnson...trade your best player to get picks and then suck for at least a year to turn those picks into the next 5 years of domination.

He's probably pissed that the Bills somehow look worse than his team.

The problem he is going to run into is something Jimmy Johnson did not have......the salary cap.

 

[fordman84]

The problem he is going to run into is something Jimmy Johnson did not have......the salary cap.

All the more reason to trade your best player for cheap 1st rounders. All you have to do is not mess it up and draft well. That will be where we see if Chucky is worth it. Year 3 (suck this year, draft and get 1 season of experience, show us sophomore year what you got).

 

[PhillyGreen]

All the more reason to trade your best player for cheap 1st rounders. All you have to do is not mess it up and draft well. That will be where we see if Chucky is worth it. Year 3 (suck this year, draft and get 1 season of experience, show us sophomore year what you got).

I can see that argument.....and it is a pretty good one. I never considered it. Of course you have to hit on those picks and that is where it may be hard. They screw this up and can basically become the Browns.

 

[GNG]

Potato Salad.

 

[Mike A. S.]

overwhelmingly, people believe Gruden screwed the pooch with the Mack trade ....... however, wouldn't the Patriots have done the same thing?

The Pats don't give out enormous contracts ... they trade players for max value in return before they have to pay them huge money.

That is a good point. But also it does seem that the team trading away the player can make a big difference as far as trusting whether or not it was the right move. Patriots have proven by now that they know what they're doing. Maybe Gruden does too but since he hasn't proven it yet it doesn't look great.

 

[fordman84]

I can see that argument.....and it is a pretty good one. I never considered it. Of course you have to hit on those picks and that is where it may be hard. They screw this up and can basically become the Browns.

Yup, drafting is the way to go. He had a lot of guys about to hit their expensive years and then even more holes. The smart move is to pick one guy to build around (Carr) and let the others either take below market extensions or go elsewhere. Everything hinges on the draft though. Especially if you are getting 1st rounders. Second key will be using them and not trading up with them or trading future years.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Less than F...like a G-minus, or an H+

And Romo is better on the Corona Hotline, to boot