Geno Staying put

[Anointed One]

Then saving 54 million over 3 years. in cap space to spend on needs should appeal

There are many scenerios appealing... At least I have an open mind...

 

[flyerhawk]

Pete would do the same as he did with RW, which is to lean on the run , limit pass attempts ( RW only had 393 attempted passes in 16 games), have safer easier throws if it was Richardson, Levis is much more developed I feel.

Russ was pretty well refined coming out of college. The adjustment to the pros is hard for EVERYONE. Joe Burrow struggled as a rookie as well.

Russ also was able to benefit from having an elite defense which made it a lot easier for him to throw 20 passes a game. Barring a remarkable turn around on defense, that simply isn't going to be the case next year. Best case this defense might be like the 2011 defense next season barring some truly remarkable picks and growth from existing players.

Remember that Pete spent good money on finding a new QB in 2012. That Russ showed he could be a starter as a rookie was as much a shock to Pete as the rest of us. Which is why, even if we draft a QB early, I still expect Pete to sign a QB that he thinks can get them to the playoffs.

 

[flyerhawk]

Then saving 54 million over 3 years. in cap space to spend on needs should appeal

Your logic remains flawed because you keep thinking that the 54 million can just be spent somewhere else because we will have this amazing rookie QB, who will still cost money against the cap albeit it a lot less. The odds are significantly against that happening.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Remember that Pete spent good money on finding a new QB in 2012. That Russ showed he could be a starter as a rookie was as much a shock to Pete as the rest of us. Which is why, even if we draft a QB early, I still expect Pete to sign a QB that he thinks can get them to the playoffs.

Pete did sign Matt Flynn but he played one season for the Seahawks. RW was a 3rd round pick, so of course Pete hedged his bet, 3 QBs went top 10 and the Seahawks didn't pick until pick 12 so they traded down. Could be if 3 QBs go ahead of pick 5 the Seahawks trade down again, but think they will just draft which ever is left of Carter or Anderson. It would take a trade into the top 4 from some team like the Panthers for that to happen and given the cost I don't feel it will happen, especially since none of them have the hype of a sure thing, but you never know I guess.

 

[MrS]

Pete would do the same as he did with RW, which is to lean on the run , limit pass attempts ( RW only had 393 attempted passes in 16 games), have safer easier throws if it was Richardson, Levis is much more developed I feel.

Levis isnt a day 1 starter, but Richardson completed less than 40% of downfield passes, thats insanely bad and the fact he is being hyped up as a top 10 pick is ridiculous.

Wilson was on a completely different level than either of them amd he had the benefit of entering the league when the read option was new and defenses hadn't adjusted.

 

[Anointed One]

Pete did sign Matt Flynn but he played one season for the Seahawks. RW was a 3rd round pick, so of course Pete hedged his bet, 3 QBs went top 10 and the Seahawks didn't pick until pick 12 so they traded down. Could be if 3 QBs go ahead of pick 5 the Seahawks trade down again, but think they will just draft which ever is left of Carter or Anderson. It would take a trade into the top 4 from some team like the Panthers for that to happen and given the cost I don't feel it will happen, especially since none of them have the hype of a sure thing, but you never know I guess.

Flynn playing one season is a bit misleading... If you meant, attempted 9 passes during the season then, yes...

 

[Anointed One]

Levis isnt a day 1 starter, but Richardson completed less than 40% of downfield passes, thats insanely bad and the fact he is being hyped up as a top 10 pick is ridiculous.

Richardson reminds me too much of Malik Willis... I don't want a QB who's best asset is running the ball...

 

[flyerhawk]

Richardson reminds me too much of Malik Willis... I don't want a QB who's best asset is running the ball...

I have no interest in Richardson

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Levis isnt a day 1 starter, but Richardson completed less than 40% of downfield passes, thats insanely bad and the fact he is being hyped up as a top 10 pick is ridiculous.

Wilson was on a completely different level than either of them.

Wilson lasted until round 3 because he was so short. Seahawks were openly mocked for the pick as the media considered it a total waste of a pick because of his height.

Here's what The Athletic scouting report on Levis:

Levis, a transfer from Penn State, showed off improved mechanics and the ability to operate in a pro-style offense in his first year starting at Kentucky. Offensive coordinator Liam Coen, now in the same role with the Rams, utilized a large swath of concepts that had Levis operate from under center, including traditional play-action looks that asked Levis to turn his back to the defense before pushing the ball downfield.

Levis has a very quick and easy motion, and the ball absolute flies off of his hand. He can drive the ball on intermediate throws and shows some comfort operating on deeper dropback concepts on third down. His decision making and ability to progress through reads improved throughout the 2021 season as he started to better understand the timing on these plays.

Levis is much further along than Richardson IMO.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I have no interest in Richardson

Richardson is a project. Doesn't have the experience needed or the coaching but he's got the arm and legs. His landing spot will be crucial for his career, he needs to land on a team with strong coaching and some good players around him so he can develop. If he lands on a team with poor talent and bad coaching he'll be a bust. Packers for example would be a nice spot for him, but it's unlikely he lands there.

 

[flyerhawk]

Richardson is a project. Doesn't have the experience needed or the coaching but he's got the arm and legs. His landing spot will be crucial for his career, he needs to land on a team with strong coaching and some good players around him so he can develop. If he lands on a team with poor talent and bad coaching he'll be a bust. Packers for example would be a nice spot for him, but it's unlikely he lands there.

Maybe as a 3rd round project.

 

[Screamin12th]

I'm not opposed to this scenerio only if we draft a QB after our #5 overall pick and possibly after the 1st round all together... I'd want those given to defense, OL and or a possible WR with our #20.....

I'd be ok signing Lock (I'm record for being in that corner already if the price tag for Geno gets too high) and have a rookie sit a year or two... If Lock panned out and showed he could be a very QB on this team, then it would be a win/win because we'd have a backup QB for at least 4 years with the rookie and could also use him for trade bait as well..

I just want the focus to be on ensuring our defense gets fixed because we've seen how well this team does when our defense is very competitive under Pete Carroll...

Im with you, i want them to wait till the 3rd round myself.

Also with DK and Tyler i don't care about drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds. Plenty of FA options that could come cheap. Just need competence in that #3 spot anything more is a bonus. Also they still have Young on the team and I think he could be what Moore was.

 

[MrS]

Wilson lasted until round 3 because he was so short. Seahawks were openly mocked for the pick as the media considered it a total waste of a pick because of his height.

Exactly, if he was 6'1 he arguably goes #2, before griffin. Levis doesnt stack up at all.

Here's what The Athletic scouting report on Levis:

Levis, a transfer from Penn State, showed off improved mechanics and the ability to operate in a pro-style offense in his first year starting at Kentucky. Offensive coordinator Liam Coen, now in the same role with the Rams, utilized a large swath of concepts that had Levis operate from under center, including traditional play-action looks that asked Levis to turn his back to the defense before pushing the ball downfield.

Levis has a very quick and easy motion, and the ball absolute flies off of his hand. He can drive the ball on intermediate throws and shows some comfort operating on deeper dropback concepts on third down. His decision making and ability to progress through reads improved throughout the 2021 season as he started to better understand the timing on these plays.

Levis is much further along than Richardson IMO.

Further than Richardson, yes. Day 1 starter? I dont care that he had a couple former nfl coordinators coaching him, he's not day 1 starter material.

Young and stroud are the only ones id feel comfortable starting day 1 and they both have huge question marks of their own.

I still hold to the idea next years class will blow this year away. We should wait and build capital.

 

[flyerhawk]

Exactly, if he was 6'1 he arguably goes #2, before griffin. Levis doesnt stack up at all.

Further than Richardson, yes. Day 1 starter? I dont care that he had a couple former nfl coordinators coaching him, he's not day 1 starter material.

Young and stroud are the only ones id feel comfortable starting day 1 and they both have huge question marks of their own.

I still hold to the idea next years class will blow this year away. We should wait and build capital.

I feel weird agreeing with so much lately

 

[MrS]

Our QB coach is now OC in tampa, maybe a landing spot for geno?

 

[Anointed One]

Our QB coach is now OC in tampa, maybe a landing spot for geno?

Gives him a bit more leverage now with the Hawks... Canales is now calling the plays in Tampa... Geno is also from Florida...

 

[blstoker]

Geno rankings on nontraditional stats 2022 (min. 3000 yards passing. Not good nor bad)

Time to throw (from snap to release in secs)

1	Russell Wilson	DEN	2.98
2	Derek Carr	LV	2.93
3	Daniel Jones	NYG	2.9
4	Patrick Mahomes	KC	2.89
5	Josh Allen	BUF	2.87
6	Justin Herbert	LAC	2.86
7	Kirk Cousins	MIN	2.83
8	Geno Smith	SEA	2.81
9	Davis Mills	HOU	2.78
10	Jalen Hurts	PHI	2.76

Completed Air Yards

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	8.5
2	Josh Allen	BUF	7.4
3	Derek Carr	LV	6.4
4	Geno Smith	SEA	6.3
5	Kirk Cousins	MIN	6.1
6	Jalen Hurts	PHI	6.1
7	Russell Wilson	DEN	6
8	Jared Goff	DET	5.6
9	Joe Burrow	CIN	5.6
10	Patrick Mahomes	KC	5.4

Intended Air Yards

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	9.6
2	Josh Allen	BUF	9.4
3	Derek Carr	LV	9.3
4	Russell Wilson	DEN	8.8
5	Jalen Hurts	PHI	8.3
6	Geno Smith	SEA	8
7	Aaron Rodgers	GB	8
8	Davis Mills	HOU	7.9
9	Kirk Cousins	MIN	7.7
10	Patrick Mahomes	KC	7.5

Air Yards Differential

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	-1.1
2	Matt Ryan	IND	-1.2
3	Jared Goff	DET	-1.5
4	Daniel Jones	NYG	-1.5
5	Geno Smith	SEA	-1.6
6	Kirk Cousins	MIN	-1.6
7	Joe Burrow	CIN	-1.6
8	Josh Allen	BUF	-2
9	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-2
10	Justin Herbert	LAC	-2.1

Aggression %(how often throwing into coverage)

1	Derek Carr	LV	18.9
2	Matt Ryan	IND	16.3
3	Joe Burrow	CIN	15.3
4	Jalen Hurts	PHI	15.2
5	Davis Mills	HOU	15.2
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	15.1
7	Tom Brady	TB	14.9
8	Russell Wilson	DEN	14.9
9	Kirk Cousins	MIN	14.8
10	Justin Herbert	LAC	14.6
13	Geno Smith	SEA	13.1

Longest Completed Air Distance

1	Josh Allen	BUF	62.2
2	Jalen Hurts	PHI	58.7
3	Jared Goff	DET	58.2
4	Tom Brady	TB	57.6
5	Justin Herbert	LAC	57.2
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	56.3
7	Derek Carr	LV	56.1
8	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	56.1
9	Daniel Jones	NYG	55.5
10	Russell Wilson	DEN	54.1
14	Geno Smith	SEA	51.8

Air Yards to the Stick (average distance in front or behind first down marker)

1	Josh Allen	BUF	0.7
2	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	0.7
3	Derek Carr	LV	-0.2
4	Aaron Rodgers	GB	-0.5
5	Jalen Hurts	PHI	-0.8
6	Russell Wilson	DEN	-0.8
7	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-0.8
8	Kirk Cousins	MIN	-1
9	Davis Mills	HOU	-1.2
10	Geno Smith	SEA	-1.2

Expected Completion %

1	Tom Brady	TB	68.2
2	Jared Goff	DET	67.5
3	Patrick Mahomes	KC	67.2
4	Trevor Lawrence	JAX	66.8
5	Justin Herbert	LAC	66.8
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	66.1
7	Joe Burrow	CIN	66.1
8	Matt Ryan	IND	66.1
9	Daniel Jones	NYG	65.5
10	Geno Smith	SEA	65.3

Completion % Above Expected

1	Geno Smith	SEA	4.4
2	Jalen Hurts	PHI	2.8
3	Joe Burrow	CIN	2.2
4	Daniel Jones	NYG	1.6
5	Kirk Cousins	MIN	1.6
6	Justin Herbert	LAC	1.5
7	Matt Ryan	IND	0.9
8	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-0.1
9	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	-0.4
10	Trevor Lawrence	JAX	-0.5

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[flyerhawk]

Geno rankings on nontraditional stats 2022 (min. 3000 yards passing. Not good nor bad)

Time to throw (from snap to release in secs)

1	Russell Wilson	DEN	2.98
2	Derek Carr	LV	2.93
3	Daniel Jones	NYG	2.9
4	Patrick Mahomes	KC	2.89
5	Josh Allen	BUF	2.87
6	Justin Herbert	LAC	2.86
7	Kirk Cousins	MIN	2.83
8	Geno Smith	SEA	2.81
9	Davis Mills	HOU	2.78
10	Jalen Hurts	PHI	2.76

Completed Air Yards

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	8.5
2	Josh Allen	BUF	7.4
3	Derek Carr	LV	6.4
4	Geno Smith	SEA	6.3
5	Kirk Cousins	MIN	6.1
6	Jalen Hurts	PHI	6.1
7	Russell Wilson	DEN	6
8	Jared Goff	DET	5.6
9	Joe Burrow	CIN	5.6
10	Patrick Mahomes	KC	5.4

Intended Air Yards

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	9.6
2	Josh Allen	BUF	9.4
3	Derek Carr	LV	9.3
4	Russell Wilson	DEN	8.8
5	Jalen Hurts	PHI	8.3
6	Geno Smith	SEA	8
7	Aaron Rodgers	GB	8
8	Davis Mills	HOU	7.9
9	Kirk Cousins	MIN	7.7
10	Patrick Mahomes	KC	7.5

Air Yards Differential

1	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	-1.1
2	Matt Ryan	IND	-1.2
3	Jared Goff	DET	-1.5
4	Daniel Jones	NYG	-1.5
5	Geno Smith	SEA	-1.6
6	Kirk Cousins	MIN	-1.6
7	Joe Burrow	CIN	-1.6
8	Josh Allen	BUF	-2
9	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-2
10	Justin Herbert	LAC	-2.1

Aggression %(how often throwing into coverage)

1	Derek Carr	LV	18.9
2	Matt Ryan	IND	16.3
3	Joe Burrow	CIN	15.3
4	Jalen Hurts	PHI	15.2
5	Davis Mills	HOU	15.2
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	15.1
7	Tom Brady	TB	14.9
8	Russell Wilson	DEN	14.9
9	Kirk Cousins	MIN	14.8
10	Justin Herbert	LAC	14.6
13	Geno Smith	SEA	13.1

Longest Completed Air Distance

1	Josh Allen	BUF	62.2
2	Jalen Hurts	PHI	58.7
3	Jared Goff	DET	58.2
4	Tom Brady	TB	57.6
5	Justin Herbert	LAC	57.2
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	56.3
7	Derek Carr	LV	56.1
8	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	56.1
9	Daniel Jones	NYG	55.5
10	Russell Wilson	DEN	54.1
14	Geno Smith	SEA	51.8

Air Yards to the Stick (average distance in front or behind first down marker)

1	Josh Allen	BUF	0.7
2	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	0.7
3	Derek Carr	LV	-0.2
4	Aaron Rodgers	GB	-0.5
5	Jalen Hurts	PHI	-0.8
6	Russell Wilson	DEN	-0.8
7	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-0.8
8	Kirk Cousins	MIN	-1
9	Davis Mills	HOU	-1.2
10	Geno Smith	SEA	-1.2

Expected Completion %

1	Tom Brady	TB	68.2
2	Jared Goff	DET	67.5
3	Patrick Mahomes	KC	67.2
4	Trevor Lawrence	JAX	66.8
5	Justin Herbert	LAC	66.8
6	Aaron Rodgers	GB	66.1
7	Joe Burrow	CIN	66.1
8	Matt Ryan	IND	66.1
9	Daniel Jones	NYG	65.5
10	Geno Smith	SEA	65.3

Completion % Above Expected

1	Geno Smith	SEA	4.4
2	Jalen Hurts	PHI	2.8
3	Joe Burrow	CIN	2.2
4	Daniel Jones	NYG	1.6
5	Kirk Cousins	MIN	1.6
6	Justin Herbert	LAC	1.5
7	Matt Ryan	IND	0.9
8	Patrick Mahomes	KC	-0.1
9	Tua Tagovailoa	MIA	-0.4
10	Trevor Lawrence	JAX	-0.5

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That expected completion percentage stat is an interesting one. Part of it, I have to think, is having Tyler Lockett as one of your receivers. But it also shows that Geno was pretty accurate.

 

[blstoker]

That expected completion percentage stat is an interesting one. Part of it, I have to think, is having Tyler Lockett as one of your receivers. But it also shows that Geno was pretty accurate.

Yeah, I didn't include all qualifying players - partially due to not wanting to skew the ranking with guys who only had 5 starts or something. So, among the 17 3000 yard QBs he was 10th. Not bad at all. He's like 19th out of 40 QBs with 140 attempts. Either way - he's pretty solidly in the middle. Not bad.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah, I didn't include all qualifying players - partially due to not wanting to skew the ranking with guys who only had 5 starts or something. So, among the 17 3000 yard QBs he was 10th. Not bad at all. He's like 19th out of 40 QBs with 140 attempts. Either way - he's pretty solidly in the middle. Not bad.

Yeah but his CPOE was the best in the league. That's really what I meant to refer to.