Future HOFers?

[TrustMeIamRight]

Likely and probably are also injuries to Miggy...opps, he just turned 30 and had surgery...ironic

Now it is likely and probably, in your previous post, it was he WILL battle injuries. for someone who doesn't want to talk about the future, you sure like to do exactly that. I guess it is alright to predict injuries, but not to predict that a guy coming off back to back MVPs will have at least 5 more seasons of 30/100 and a .300 BA, because he is only 30 and still has 2 or 3 years in what is considered prime years for a baseball player.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No point in arguing with Bums.

Same guy who said Wacha will have Tommy John because Harvey just did.

Basically if someone is hurt. It's automatically going to also happen to whoever he claims.

I know. It is fun watching him talk in circles though. He is my entertainment on here, as I get a bunch of free laughs reading his posts.

 

[da55bums]

Now it is likely and probably, in your previous post, it was he WILL battle injuries. for someone who doesn't want to talk about the future, you sure like to do exactly that. I guess it is alright to predict injuries, but not to predict that a guy coming off back to back MVPs will have at least 5 more seasons of 30/100 and a .300 BA, because he is only 30 and still has 2 or 3 years in what is considered prime years for a baseball player.

will=surgury, lol...so he is injured currently and now it just depends on how much he will battle them the rest of his career...nice call out

I agree, we both are speculating, I believe there is more of a chance to battle injuries than having 5 seasons of 30/100 .300 but who knows we both could be right if he does both..

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

will=surgury, lol...so he is injured currently and now it just depends on how much he will battle them the rest of his career...nice call out

and he has already had the surgery to repair the groin muscle and they've already stated, he will be 100% well before spring training and will have plenty of time to get ready for the season. so what does being 'injured currently' have to do with anything?

 

[da55bums]

that would first on the list injury at 30+, and we get to see how he does with it still...Seen a few pitchers take 3 years with TJ if it doesn't go well and some even never came back to half of what they were (all were told the same thing, will be back to normal on xx-xx-xxxx They also said Utley should be back to normal at 31...etc...too many examples to list but why.

you know, this is just dumb...I completely made my point and you want to continue to go round and round and try and justfy he will be happy and healthy for the next 6 years...keep on preachin, sure some people will buy it who also hasn't studied the history of baseball players after 30 yrs old...

Good Luck to him and God bless..this is twice we have gone through this crap for pages and pages of pointless info when we only disagree on 1 matter......and I actually hope that Miggy recovers from this injury and is injury free for another 10 years...I would love to see the numbers...no way on gods green earth would I even consider putting money on it (I would that he will have injury problems though) but it would be cool.

feel free to continue...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

that would first on the list injury at 30+, and we get to see how he does with it still...Seen a few pitchers take 3 years with TJ if it doesn't go well and some even never came back to half of what they were (all were told the same thing, will be back to normal on xx-xx-xxxx They also said Utley should be back to normal at 31...etc...too many examples to list but why.

what does tommy john surgery have to do with a sports hernia (which is basically what Cabrera had)? you keep talking about Cabrera and then bringing up points that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with him.

Cabrera had his surgery two weeks ago. You have to go thru 3-6 weeks of rehab, which I'm guessing Detroit will make him go 6-8 weeks. So again -- what does Tommy John surgery have to do with Cabrera?

You are so random with your comments -- You group Utley with him, because Utley has been battling injuries -- Then say you aren't comparing them.

You want to compare him to Dale Murphy, even though Cabrera is NOTHING like Dale Murphy.

You want to compare him to Larry Walker, but Cabrera is NOTHING like Larry Walker.

You continue to compare him to players who were injury prone throughout their careers or had a 4-5 year stretch where they were great. The difference in Cabrera is -- he is the polar opposite of injury prone, missing 47 games in 10 years (with the overwhelming majority being manager decision day offs). He hasn't been great for 4-5 years -- he has been great for 10 years with the last 3 years being the best player in baseball with a bat.

You keep talking about how 30 is when all the injuries start piling up, but for every player you want to mention who was injury prone, you could name just as many, if not more than weren't. Every player is different. The only given is that his skills will diminish when he gets into his late 30's, because that is just how age works. Playing in the AL though -- he could easily play another 10 years and put up numbers just as good as Big Papi has in Boston as a DH.

 

[da55bums]

Good Luck - yet to be determined...

on to other players

Pujols - Yes HOF - 500 hrs - Lock
Halladay - No - injuries after 30 got him
Hudson - No
CC Safathia - a chance
Pettite - Yes
wow pitchers are going to be tough to ever see 300 wins again
Buerhle - just keeps pounding away, might be most consistant pitcher ever - 200 innings 12 years in a row
Helton - No (I guess the Coors effect is equivilant to PED use in some eyes)
Beltre - could
Beltran - a chance
Thome - Yes

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Good Luck - yet to be determined...

on to other players

Pujols - Yes HOF - 500 hrs - Lock
Halladay - No - injuries after 30 got him
Hudson - No
CC Safathia - a chance
Pettite - Yes
wow pitchers are going to be tough to ever see 300 wins again
Buerhle - just keeps pounding away, might be most consistant pitcher ever - 200 innings 12 years in a row
Helton - No (I guess the Coors effect is equivilant to PED use in some eyes)
Beltre - could
Beltran - a chance
Thome - Yes

Pettite is not a hall of famer- and that is said by a yankee fan... Halladay is closer than CC...

 

[da55bums]

No point in arguing with Bums.

Same guy who said Wacha will have Tommy John because Harvey just did.

Basically if someone is hurt. It's automatically going to also happen to whoever he claims.

The Padres have interest in Angels first baseman Mark Trumbo, Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reports ([ame="[MEDIA=twitter]395301160887656448[/MEDIA]"]on Twitter[/ame]). The Angels are known to be interested in acquiring pitching for Trumbo, however, and Shaikin notes that San Diego might not be the best match -- their collection of young pitching includes several players (Cory Luebke, Joe Wieland, Casey Kelly) who are in various stages of recovery from Tommy John surgery.
Yonder Alonso hit .281/.341/.368 as the Padres' primary first baseman in 2013. Trumbo would likely be an upgrade, although it remains to be seen how his power-dependent game would play in pitcher-friendly PETCO Park. Trumbo appears set to make about $4.7MM in 2014, his first year of arbitration eligibility.

another 3 young pitchers with tommy john on their resume, lol, its the PES of the next decades to be debated "performance enhancing surgury"..

How many pitchers would have had great careers before 1990 with advances of the medical profession? (wow, the same could be said with PED's)

 

[broncosmitty]

Speaking of Yankees who aren't HOFers.... IMO Donny Baseball should be in before Utley. Andy will have to wait a long while if he ever does make it. A good chunk of current voters will never cast their ballot for a known PED user. (Not sure if it even matters)

 

[da55bums]

Ichiro Suzuki - 2700 hits in 13 yrs (ave of 207 hits a season)- Yes

(hey no major injuries his entire 30's, very rare)

 

[Bulldog]

There are only two players mentioned in this entire tread that will make it to the HOF, Cano and Cabrera. Utley stands an outside chance.

 

[1905 Giants]

There are only two players mentioned in this entire tread that will make it to the HOF, Cano and Cabrera. Utley stands an outside chance.

You don't think Ichiro will make it?

 

[da55bums]

Jim Thome-...612 hr...2500 strikeouts...
Ichiro - 2700 hits in 13 yrs
Pujols - 500 hrs - could get to 3000 hits also in 4 to 5 years.
Pettite - 250 wins


will all go in the HOF ...or they wont have anyone go in for a long time the way they are skipping the PED era.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Jim Thome-...612 hr...2500 strikeouts...
Ichiro - 2700 hits in 13 yrs
Pujols - 500 hrs - could get to 3000 hits also in 4 to 5 years.
Pettite - 250 wins


will all go in the HOF ...or they wont have anyone go in for a long time the way they are skipping the PED era.

why do you think pettite will make the HOF?? he is not even a borderline HOF...

 

[broncosmitty]

Ichiro, without a doubt is an HOFer. I'd assume first ballot.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Ichiro, without a doubt is an HOFer. I'd assume first ballot.

First player to ever be in 2 Professional baseball HOFs

 

[broncosmitty]

First player to ever be in 2 Professional baseball HOFs

Is he already in the Japanese Hall?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

not yet in the japanese HOF... But he could make it there... Not sure about the recquirements... but he is one of the most loved Japanese players of all time... that cant hurt...

 

[da55bums]

why do you think pettite will make the HOF?? he is not even a borderline HOF...

and please tell us why he isn't "borderline"? if he isn't "borderline" in your eyes, then your blind.

250 wins....(might be hard for any modern day pitcher to get over 250 wins anymore)

18 yr career...2500 k's....postseason number that rival anything David Ortiz has put up....

His post season stats combined with his regular season stats....will get him in the HOF.