Funny how threads spin off in all kinds of directions.
The Broncos were a bit cap strapped this year. Money though really wasn't the issue. They have the most cap space of any team in the league so it is easy to design a contract where they have a small cap hit this year and the big cap hit happens next year. Chiefs just did that with Houston where his first year cap hit was only $6 million yet the deal is worth around $17 million a year.
Essentially what the Broncos do when figuring out contracts is they put a ceiling price on each player. They will not go higher than that. That does mean that some good players will leave for better contracts of teams that are willing to overpay but it helps keep the Broncos in check to not be overpaying for good not great talent. Osweiler's contract got above what they wanted to pay.
What was the ceiling Elway put on Oz? Seahawks do the same at valuing their players so I understand where your team is coming from. So my guess is Sanchez starts this year and Lynch takes over next year barring injuries?
And the part about dirty Sanchez and Lynch?Well it all depends on who you listen to. There are rumors that they made one final ditch effort and offered something like $16 million a year on a 3-year deal. Honestly hard to know too much without knowing the true guaranteed money side of the deal. They can say the value of the contract was $16 million a year but say the first 2 years are only $10 million cap hit and the final year is just a huge number that he will never see. So again hard to know exactly the value the Broncos put on him. Highest though would be a true $16 million a year.
And the part about dirty Sanchez and Lynch?
The Seahawks do have a number in mind for signing players, but for certain positions I think they give the self some wiggle room. Franchise QB being at the top. Pretty sure they would of went higher if need be with RW, think they were hoping to sign him for less then they did, but they weren't going go the Broncos route and let RW play the market, that would of been really costly.What was the ceiling Elway put on Oz? Seahawks do the same at valuing their players so I understand where your team is coming from. So my guess is Sanchez starts this year and Lynch takes over next year barring injuries?
Oh sorry missed that part. I honestly don't know who the Broncos will start. The coaches have actually been very impressed with Trevor Siemian so far. Heck even some of our best defensive players have been impressed with him up to this point in camp. So right now it is a true 3 QB race in Denver.
If I were guessing honestly I think it could come down to Siemian and Lynch. If Lynch can pick up the offense quickly then I think he wins it because he is the superior athlete and if things break down can take off running. If he struggles to pick up the offense then I could see Siemian being our starter week 1.
So Sanchez is your Matt Flynn?
The Seahawks do have a number in mind for signing players, but for certain positions I think they give the self some wiggle room. Franchise QB being at the top. Pretty sure they would of went higher if need be with RW, think they were hoping to sign him for less then they did, but they weren't going go the Broncos route and let RW play the market, that would of been really costly.
Russell Wilson had proven before the contract that he was for sure a franchise QB though. Much easier to give a big contract to a guy with 3 years of starting experience and very high quality starts with a Super Bowl victory. Compare that to a guy with 7 starts after 4 years on the bench and in those 4 starts not looking all that great.
Oh I agree, but can you believe that there were some that wanted to see just one more year before the Seahawks pony up all that money? Some actually thought it be better to let him walk and go with a cheap fill in, all the better to build a super duper defense and win with it.
Oh sorry missed that part. I honestly don't know who the Broncos will start. The coaches have actually been very impressed with Trevor Siemian so far. Heck even some of our best defensive players have been impressed with him up to this point in camp. So right now it is a true 3 QB race in Denver.
If I were guessing honestly I think it could come down to Siemian and Lynch. If Lynch can pick up the offense quickly then I think he wins it because he is the superior athlete and if things break down can take off running. If he struggles to pick up the offense then I could see Siemian being our starter week 1.
Haha no to me Wilson had already proved he was easily top-8 in the league and most likely should be mentioned in the top-5. You don't let that type of QB go. To me if they have only shown average QB play though I would rather not commit huge money to a QB. You see those teams maybe have one good year every 3-4 years but the rest they are stuck in mediocrity not able to really build the team as much through FA and missing out on the higher draft picks. So they just continue to be stuck in that spot.
The Seahawks do have a number in mind for signing players, but for certain positions I think they give the self some wiggle room. Franchise QB being at the top. Pretty sure they would of went higher if need be with RW, think they were hoping to sign him for less then they did, but they weren't going go the Broncos route and let RW play the market, that would of been really costly.
Ok so we finally agree if PM didn't win a SB with Kube's after 2 years Kubes should've been fired.Sorry I don't think I explained my point well. I meant just like any QB that takes a QB early in the draft is tied pretty close to that QB so is one that wants a team to pay big bucks to bring in a FA. I didn't mean for it to come out that if they miss the playoffs or don't do better than last year that O'Brien will be fired. His seat will get a bit warmer if they miss the playoffs of course but the Osweiler situation has bought him 2 more seasons in my opinion. One year of down play is understandable from a new QB. 2 straight years when you are paying him $36 million over that period though is not.
Ok so we finally agree if PM didn't win a SB with Kube's after 2 years Kubes should've been fired.
I would be surprised if Siemian really does compete. That would be pretty astounding. I know they are talking him up and he looks alright in camp, but heard the same thing about Van Pelt, Dysert, Brandstater, Jarious Jackson. Seems every year when the QB situation is in flux, it's that 7th round/undrafted guy that everyone out here falls in love with, and every time it really isn't.
Ok so we finally agree if PM didn't win a SB with Kube's after 2 years Kubes should've been fired.
I still don't see that in the post above. He's talking about a coach 2 years in with the team who struggled to get his offense going then adding a new QB and not getting past 4 years there if the side of the ball he coaches doesn't come around.
Maybe if Kub's had 2 years trying with an aged Manning and then before the 2017 season Denver made a big move for the guy Kubiak wanted, he should go if the rest of the team was still playing at a high level but his QB play was letting him down. I could definitely agree with that one.
But O'Brien tried Fitzpatrick, then went out and went through round 1 of adding "his guys" in Mallett and Hoyer, and that didn't work, then make the big move for a QB, and after 4 years of trying and a handful of different QB's starting and still not getting good QB play from a coach who was brought in especially for improving that side of the ball and that position yes.
I mean you can't just have a flat ruling for two completely different situations or infer anything from one into the other like that if you ask me.