Comeback Player of the Year

[h0ckeysk83r]

No one has made a single legitimate argument as to why Smith should win the award over Stafford. Until then, I'm plenty happy up Stafford's ass.

SRPnVA gave you plenty of legitimate reasons why he is so deserving. He stated many times in his posts how deserving he is, which reasons are not legitimate to you? Do you feel alex shouln't even be in the conversation at all? I think both are very deserving of it.

 

[CalamityX11]

Pennington was coming off a season in which he tore is rotator cuff. The following season he had a career year in terms of stats. Alex Smith isn't coming off a major injury, and is actually posting lesser stats than he did last season on a per game basis.

He's also posting lesser INTs too .

I think Alex, with those years of mediocrity, improved enough this year to be awarded the CPOY.

Is Stafford deserving of it as well? Yes. Is Alex? Yes(IMO)

Who gets the nod for me? Alex, he experience much more turmoil and same amount of injuries(or more) as Stafford in the past.

 

[clyde_carbon]

SRPnVA gave you plenty of legitimate reasons why he is so deserving. He stated many times in his posts how deserving he is, which reasons are not legitimate to you? Do you feel alex shouln't even be in the conversation at all? I think both are very deserving of it.

He's giving baseless innuendo and drivel. Saying that Smith was "left for dead" and was thought of as a bust isn't making a point. Who thought that? Are the voters thinking that? How was he left for dead? Did we pick him off the streets? How do you gauge psychological trauma? Why is he including what happened in 06, 07, and 08 when this is a 2011-2012 award?

Not only that, but what exactly has Alex came back and done? He's actually averaging LESS yards and TDs per game than he did last year. Should we give him this award because he's not making as many mistakes? Does that really give him the edge over Stafford, who's not only coming off of a huge shoulder injury, but put up MVP numbers and has led Detroit to their best season since 1995?

Give me a fucking break. There isn't a single legitimate argument as to why Smith should win this award over Stafford. None.

 

[clyde_carbon]

He's also posting lesser INTs too .

I think Alex, with those years of mediocrity, improved enough this year to be awarded the CPOY.

Is Stafford deserving of it as well? Yes. Is Alex? Yes(IMO)

Who gets the nod for me? Alex, he experience much more turmoil and same amount of injuries(or more) as Stafford in the past.

What injuries did Smith have last year?

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

He's giving baseless innuendo and drivel. Saying that Smith was "left for dead" and was thought of as a bust isn't making a point. Who thought that? Are the voters thinking that? How was he left for dead? Did we pick him off the streets? How do you gauge psychological trauma? Why is he including what happened in 06, 07, and 08 when this is a 2011-2012 award?

Not only that, but what exactly has Alex came back and done? He's actually averaging LESS yards and TDs per game than he did last year. Should we give him this award because he's not making as many mistakes? Does that really give him the edge over Stafford, who's not only coming off of a huge shoulder injury, but put up MVP numbers and has led Detroit to their best season since 1995?

Give me a fucking break. There isn't a single legitimate argument as to why Smith should win this award over Stafford. None.

Oh give me a break on that! Your love for stafford and your hate for alex smith is blinding you. Less you forgot alex did get hurt last year and yes im going to bring the "We want Carr chat" into this because almost every fan in SF wanted him gone and out the buliding! He Came back from that injury and an 0-5 start when all the fans wanted his head again. To say that Alex doesnt even have a case in this matter goes to show how much that hate for Alex you truly have blinds you. No case whatsoever? Are you kidding me clyde?

Oh no but go ahead and tell me and anyone who says anything positive about smith that our heads up his ass. As you tend to do.....

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

What injuries did Smith have last year?

shoulder against Carolina, Carr came in and threw the game away.

 

[CalamityX11]

What injuries did Smith have last year?

The Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye/Mike Johnson disease.(also suffered a shoulder injury)

But prior to last year, he's had some real injuries.

 

[clyde_carbon]

The Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye/Mike Johnson disease.(also suffered a shoulder injury)

But prior to last year, he's had some real injuries.

It doesn't matter what happened prior to last year. Should Tom Brady win the award this year because he broke his ankle in 2008?

 

[clyde_carbon]

shoulder against Carolina, Carr came in and threw the game away.

And how long was Smith out?

 

[clyde_carbon]

Oh give me a break on that! Your love for stafford and your hate for alex smith is blinding you. Less you forgot alex did get hurt last year and yes im going to bring the "We want Carr chat" into this because almost every fan in SF wanted him gone and out the buliding! He Came back from that injury and an 0-5 start when all the fans wanted his head again. To say that Alex doesnt even have a case in this matter goes to show how much that hate for Alex you truly have blinds you. No case whatsoever? Are you kidding me clyde?

Oh no but go ahead and tell me and anyone who says anything positive about smith that our heads up his ass. As you tend to do.....

Bunch of BS. You're not saying anything new.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

And how long was Smith out?

He missed the Denver game in London, then we had a bye. Then he missed the next 2 games against the Rams and Bucs. I believe Alex was healthy around the bucs game maybe the game after. But either way Troy started the next 2 games after that game. Also the 2nd to last one against the Rams.

So basically he had an injury although not as great as Staffords of course but he missed about 3 weeks from it. Also was benched in favor of troy smith, which is a very good point to bring into for him coming back from something.

 

[Flyingiguana]

smith and stafford deserve it for different reasons. stafford lost a year because of injury while smith was written off as a complete bust last year.

 

[CalamityX11]

It doesn't matter what happened prior to last year. Should Tom Brady win the award this year because he broke his ankle in 2008?

Alex for all we know, could've been still hurting from his shoulder seperation?

We don't what Stafford would've done, had he played a complete season. This year, he hit for 41 TDs and much credit to him. Can't take it away.... I think he had 6 TDs in 3 games? So if we go by forecast, finished with 31 TDs? Then take into account, he went +10 this year. Isn't that expected from Stafford?

Alex and his niners are 13-3, where Det won the season at 10-6.

Alex did not turn the ball over as much as Stafford, but Stafford had an offense to overcome this TOs....

How many times has Stafford been boo'd or even questioned/doubted as a QB? or the ability to lead his team to a winning record? Stafford came in with much praise and expectations as a QB prospect, so why is it surprising that he finished the regular season with high stats in passing?

 

[tallglassofwater007]

I'm just going to go off of the last 10-15 years for this to just see what kind of guys get the award. Talking about the season they had before injury to the year they won the award.

Vick- That's easy so we don't need to get into it.

09- Brady- Obvious again. Record year, gets hurt misses season then comes back to 4,000+ yds season with 28 tds

08-Pennington 3,600yds 17/16. Has major surgery misses half the next season. Comes back to 3,600yds 19/7.

07- Greg Ellis- 8 sacks 25 tackles the year before he got hurt. Gets injured, comes back to 12.5 sacks 31 tackles

06- Pennington- 2,600yds 16/9. He gets hurt the next year and comes back to 3,600 17/16.

05- Steve Smith- 88 catches for 1100 yds and 7tds. Gets hurt and comes back to 103 catches for 1500 yds and 12 tds.

05- Bruschi- coming off a probowl season has a stroke. Comes back halfway through the next year. Stats dont matter when you come back from a stroke.

04- McGahee- Plays not one game his rookie season. Next year puts up 1100yds and 13tds.

03- Kitna- He was never hurt, but the prior year he had 3000yds 16/16. He comes back with 3600yds, 26/15

02- Maddox- The previous year he gets back into the NFL and plays 3 games. he comes back to put up 2800yds 20/16

01- Hearst- After putting up 1500yds and 7tds, he missed the next 2 seasons. He comes back with 1200yds 4 tds.

00- Jo Johnson- He had 7 sacks for the Saints, misses the next season and comes back with 12

99- Bryant Young- (I miss him) We all remember the injury. He comes back and has 11 sacks and a safety.

That's as far as I will go. Looking at the numbers I think that the guys comparable to Smith would be Pennington and Kitna. Kitna was never hurt, but he was a journeyman and had his breakout year. But his stats dwarf Smiths. Penningtons numbers are very similar to Smiths, even worse... but he came back from a bad injury twice.

McGahee is similar to Stafford in the sense that neither was established before injury and came back to have great seasons.

I would say that if they are going established vet it's Steve Smith. If they want a good story it's Alex Smith. But I think it goes to Stafford. You just can't ignore the numbers on this one. He's coming off an injury and he is a breakout star. I also think the ProBowl snub helps him. The numbers speak for themselves, but some voters may think that with a season like this you gotta give something to the guy. Anyway...there all that is. It's kind long.

 

[SRPnVA]

You're not making a case. You sound ridiculous.

Look at this thread. You're defending Stafford over Smith for this like you're trying to win child custody. You hate Alex Smith. We get it. Get over it.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Lmao @ this thread. I'd rather poke my eyes out with ice picks than continue debate in this homer circle-jerk.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Lmao @ this thread. I'd rather poke my eyes out with ice picks than continue debate in this homer circle-jerk.

And your not a homer for Stafford? Come on now clyde.

I never said Alex was a lock to win i even gave stafford just as much credit to win and i actually think he will win because of the stat driven league we are in now. Seems you are blatantly ignoring my facts that i stated about his injury and getting beat out in favor of Troy smith after his injury and basically having to fight for his job in Philly when the crowd wanted his blood. How are those not facts that give him a case to be in the discussion. Im not here claiming smith deserves to be the outright winner, just saying he has a case in the damn matter.

Oh no but go ahead and call us all homers and tell us we have our heads up smiths ass for simply stating some arguements for him to be considered in an award he rightfully has earned to be in the running for.

 

[SRPnVA]

And your not a homer for Stafford? Come on now clyde.

I never said Alex was a lock to win i even gave stafford just as much credit to win and i actually think he will win because of the stat driven league we are in now. Seems you are blatantly ignoring my facts that i stated about his injury and getting beat out in favor of Troy smith after his injury and basically having to fight for his job in Philly when the crowd wanted his blood. How are those not facts that give him a case to be in the discussion. Im not here claiming smith deserves to be the outright winner, just saying he has a case in the damn matter.

Oh no but go ahead and call us all homers and tell us we have our heads up smiths ass for simply stating some arguements for him to be considered in an award he rightfully has earned to be in the running for.

You'll never get an adult appropriate debate with someone who uses these boards as a form of therapy.

 

[Southern9er]

Because people were chanting "we want Carr". The guy was wrote off for dead. Nobody thought he would ever do anything. Stafford was always thought to be good I he could just not get injured. Alex beat the lions. Alex is 13-3 this year. On a team that was crap the past 10 years and was supposed to be in the "suck for luck" sweepstake and that is the only reason why we brought Alex back in the first place. Alex far exceeded what anybody thought he ever could. That is why he wins.

+1

Alex got ripped by his head coach on national television while begging to stay in a little over a year ago, to thunderous 'boos' and chants of we want Carr. He's endured, arguably, more adversity than any starting QB that has played the game...and his numbers are very solid...not elite, but solid.

That's a real comeback...Stafford just stayed healthy and did what was expected.

 

[Southern9er]

Not only that, but what exactly has Alex came back and done? He's actually averaging LESS yards and TDs per game than he did last year. Should we give him this award because he's not making as many mistakes? Does that really give him the edge over Stafford, who's not only coming off of a huge shoulder injury, but put up MVP numbers and has led Detroit to their best season since 1995?

Give me a fucking break. There isn't a single legitimate argument as to why Smith should win this award over Stafford. None.

Never thought you to be an irrational one clyde, but this??? Seriously?

Of course there are...you disagree with them which is fine. Stafford is an excellent choice for the award, particularly if it is completely empirical in nature.

What has Alex done? Is that really a sincere question? Much of the case for Smith is subjective. I don't know what the specific criteria for the award are...but Smith coming from absorbing a Mike Singletary tirade, while being booed by tens of thousands of fans on national television, while begging to remain in the game; going from that to being the unquestioned leader of a 13-3 playoff team and only throwing 5 INTs (two of which game in one game)...that is impressive.

I think to win this award you have to have moved the farthest and been visible in that position. I think its hard to argue that Stafford had very far to go and it was something people knew he was capable of. Smith did something only Harbaugh thought he was capable of, become a winning NFL QB, leading his team to a 1st round playoff bye. Its much easier to quantify what Stafford has done, not so easy with Smith unless you look at improvement over last year...that is what Smith supporters are arguing.

Wouldn't be disappointed to see Stafford earn it, but many people believe that Smith is much more deserving when you look at the whole picture.