Comeback Player of the Year

[BallsOfFury]

maybe they should give it to the whole 49ers team cuss we're fucking back baby

No $#!t! 49ers are definitely Comeback Team of the Year!
(Can't we simply agree on this and put all the "Alex Haters"/"Alexsexuals" crap behind?

 

[sayheykid1]

McGahee was drafted in '03, didn't play due to a knee injury, then won the award in 2004

Good point, I think he was a lame choice but he is a good example of someone who was never anything in the NFL being considered a comeback story by the voters.

 

[Rvnight18]

That's complete BS. Don't base your opinion on what Cazic and the other ESPN clowns thought of Smith. They're the only ones who thought Smith was one of the biggest busts of all time. He was a bust and a disappointment, no doubt, not one of the biggest ever.

And what exactly is Alex Smith coming back to? A serviceable QB? He's 19th in yards and 17th in TDs. He has only TWO MORE TDs than he did last year. What about a guy like Matt Moore, who also "left for dead" and has very close stats to Alex Smith.

If your criterea is "left for dead", what about Victor Cruz? The guy was undrafted in 2010. Doesn't catch a single pass in his first three games of the season and then goes on IR. People were talking about him being cut. Then comes back this year to be #1 receiving WR in Giants history.

You know why Stafford is gonna win this award? Because he deserves it more than Smith. Because the rest of the football world isn't as far up Smith's ass as this board is.

First off, Stafford threw the ball 663 times this year. Alex....446. That is 217 more times than Alex. 217. That is only 57 less than Alex had completions on the year. Lets not act like the offenses are the same Clyde.

You can throw stats for Stafford out all you want. But he won 10 games. Alex...13.

They run two completely different offenses. He better put up better numbers than most QBs because he throws the damn ball more. MUCH MUCH MORE.

Cruz wasn't drafted. A little different then being the #1 overall pick and being hated by the fans so much they asked for David Freaking Carr. Cruz has been amazing this year. But he isn't coming back from anything. He had a break out year, and he could very well win breakout player of the year. But his team got into the playoffs the last week. And again lost heads up to Alex Smith.

I understand that you have never liked Alex. That is fine. I don't think that most posters on this board think he will ever be "elite". But I think he can be an above average QB in this league. In a year under Harbaugh with no offseason, he did more than i thought he ever would considering his past. I am excited to see how this offseason goes and what he brings to the table next year. I think he has come back from more than any player. All the OCs., the bad coaching, the throwing under the bus, media and fans calling him a major bust. Nobody had faith in him. Now the team does. And that is the biggest part.

You are never going to agree with me or any other poster who thinks Alex deserves this award, I get that. But leave the "up Alex's ass" crap out of it. That reminds me of something Cazic and his boys would say. A case can be made for Stafford and Alex. Both are good choices. I would like to see Alex get it. Call me a "fan boy" if you must, but the story is DAMN good.

 

[clyde_carbon]

It doesn't state it I'm sure, but what would qualify a comeback?

39% of his TDs did go to Megatron who had a great year.

But Stafford did have an injury last year and never went through the same hardship and disappointment that Alex went through.

Well if Pennington can beat Brees in 2006(won in 2008 too) maybe Smith could too.

Injury. Playing terribly. Going through off the field adversity. It doesn't, however, stipulate that a player has to be an established NFL player the years prior.

So now we're blaming Stafford for using what pretty much is his only weapon? If we're gonna discount Megatron from Stafford, can we discount the running game and our defense from Alex Smith? Even if you take all of Johnson's production Stafford still has more yards and TDs than Smith.

But, forget the QB who came off a major shoulder injury, a player who had only 6 TDs in 2010, a player who has become the 4th passer EVER to reach 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs in a season, and give it to Smith who has only 2 more TDs than he did last year and 9 QB rating points better.

 

[clyde_carbon]

First off, Stafford threw the ball 663 times this year. Alex....446. That is 217 more times than Alex. 217. That is only 57 less than Alex had completions on the year. Lets not act like the offenses are the same Clyde.

The offenses are not the same becausr the players are not the same. The coaches in Detroit simply trust Stafford much more than the coaches in SF trust Smith. They consistently ask Stafford to win games. No one here is asking Smith to games. Only not to fuck it up.

Or maybe that has something to do with the fact that Detroit is 29th in the league in rushing. They have no semblance of a running game. Stafford has no choice but to throw it and he still beats defenses when they know they're gonna throw it.

You can throw stats for Stafford out all you want. But he won 10 games. Alex...13.

Alex didn't WIN 13 games. The San Francisco 49ers WON 13 games. Alex Smith is pretty much along for the ride. We're 29th in the league in passing yards per game and 24th in passing TDs. If we were to break up our team in three categories - passing, running, and defense, passing would be last in terms of contribution. For the Lions passing comes first. Not to mention the fact that Detroit had to play both the Packers and Bears twice.

They run two completely different offenses. He better put up better numbers than most QBs because he throws the damn ball more. MUCH MUCH MORE.

He throws the ball a lot because 1) the coaches trust him and want him to win games, and 2) they can't run it, and 3) Detroit's defense is 24th in the league in points per game given up, which means Stafford constantly has to play from behind. And guess what? He's the only QB EVER to lead a team back from 14 points or more down 4 times in one season.

Cruz wasn't drafted. A little different then being the #1 overall pick and being hated by the fans so much they asked for David Freaking Carr. Cruz has been amazing this year. But he isn't coming back from anything. He had a break out year, and he could very well win breakout player of the year. But his team got into the playoffs the last week. And again lost heads up to Alex Smith.

What the hell does Smith being drafted #1 have to do with anything? What happened in 2005, 06, 07, 08, and 09 is completely irrelevant to the 2011-2012 comeback player of the year. Victor Cruz played in only 3 games last year without catching a single pass and then goes on IR. Comes back this year and is the Giants all time leading receiver in a season.

I understand that you have never liked Alex. That is fine. I don't think that most posters on this board think he will ever be "elite". But I think he can be an above average QB in this league. In a year under Harbaugh with no offseason, he did more than i thought he ever would considering his past. I am excited to see how this offseason goes and what he brings to the table next year. I think he has come back from more than any player. All the OCs., the bad coaching, the throwing under the bus, media and fans calling him a major bust. Nobody had faith in him. Now the team does. And that is the biggest part

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I don't give a fuck about any of that. That's has absolutely no barring on this discussion. I don't care if nobody gave him a chance or nobody liked him or if you think he's average or elite. That. Doesn't. Matter. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with this award.

What are you not understanding about that?

You are never going to agree with me or any other poster who thinks Alex deserves this award, I get that. But leave the "up Alex's ass" crap out of it. That reminds me of something Cazic and his boys would say. A case can be made for Stafford and Alex. Both are good choices. I would like to see Alex get it. Call me a "fan boy" if you must, but the story is DAMN good.

Then make up your own award and call it the "Story of Year Award" if you wanna give something to Smith. He's not beating guys like Stafford and Cruz in the comeback player award.

 

[Rvnight18]

Wow Clyde. Your pure hatred is disgusting.

First off you say that Stafford has to throw the ball because his run game sucks and his defense sucks. And I agree 100%. But I can also say that Alex doesn't have to throw the ball a lot because of our great defense and run game. So you use one to help stafford and use the same excuse to hurt Alex.

And this team is 13-3 because of Alex. When he has had to throw the ball to win, he has. Multiple times. And everybody hink Alex was a bust coming into this year has everything to do with his award. He was left for dead. Harbaugh was murdered by the media for bring Alex back and not bring in a FA like Hass. And Alex has had his best season by far. It has everything to do with it. You just don't want it too.

 

[9er4life]

Then make up your own award and call it the "Story of Year Award" if you wanna give something to Smith. He's not beating guys like Stafford and Cruz in the comeback player award.

According the the NFL Players Association, there are five players that have been nominated for the award (Stafford, Steve Smith, Alex Smith, Romo, Finley). I don't see Cruz anywhere on that list, but according to this article, a player(s) could still be added.

Nate Ulrich: Browns LB D?Qwell Jackson is underdog for NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award, even though he should win it - Sports - Ohio

 

[CalamityX11]

Injury. Playing terribly. Going through off the field adversity. It doesn't, however, stipulate that a player has to be an established NFL player the years prior.

So now we're blaming Stafford for using what pretty much is his only weapon? If we're gonna discount Megatron from Stafford, can we discount the running game and our defense from Alex Smith? Even if you take all of Johnson's production Stafford still has more yards and TDs than Smith.

But, forget the QB who came off a major shoulder injury, a player who had only 6 TDs in 2010, a player who has become the 4th passer EVER to reach 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs in a season, and give it to Smith who has only 2 more TDs than he did last year and 9 QB rating points better.

Alex, for the most part, fit your qualification as well. Not saying you tied the two, but what off-field adversity did Stafford go through?

I'm not blaming Stafford, but without Megatron, does Stafford really throw for 41 TDs with the rest of the offensive weapons.

Smith didn't really blow any stats but he did finish with his first winning season I believe, a full one, a healthy one and after 7 years of being label a bust, he finally got his team(defense, STs etc....aided too) to the playoffs.

6 TDs in 2010... in 3 games. lol way to leave that out... he got hurt and came back this year to play very well.

If anything Stafford has more ammo for MVP talks IMO. But i do think, like stated, Stafford will win the award. I still think Alex should get it cause he overcame more than Stafford did.

 

[tallglassofwater007]

According the the NFL Players Association, there are five players that have been nominated for the award (Stafford, Steve Smith, Alex Smith, Romo, Finley). I don't see Cruz anywhere on that list, but according to this article, a player(s) could still be added.

I forgot Finley was hurt all of last year. If they have already narrowed it down to these five players Stafford is going to get it.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Wow Clyde. Your pure hatred is disgusting.

First off you say that Stafford has to throw the ball because his run game sucks and his defense sucks. And I agree 100%. But I can also say that Alex doesn't have to throw the ball a lot because of our great defense and run game. So you use one to help stafford and use the same excuse to hurt Alex.

And this team is 13-3 because of Alex. When he has had to throw the ball to win, he has. Multiple times. And everybody hink Alex was a bust coming into this year has everything to do with his award. He was left for dead. Harbaugh was murdered by the media for bring Alex back and not bring in a FA like Hass. And Alex has had his best season by far. It has everything to do with it. You just don't want it too.

LOL. This is why I'm not continuing this debate with you.

 

[clyde_carbon]

According the the NFL Players Association, there are five players that have been nominated for the award (Stafford, Steve Smith, Alex Smith, Romo, Finley). I don't see Cruz anywhere on that list, but according to this article, a player(s) could still be added.

Nate Ulrich: Browns LB D?Qwell Jackson is underdog for NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award, even though he should win it - Sports - Ohio

Then the fans missed big time by not voting Victor Cruz as a nominee. I'm sure a lot of them have the false impression that a player had to be an established player at one point to win this award, but he doesn't.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Alex, for the most part, fit your qualification as well. Not saying you tied the two, but what off-field adversity did Stafford go through?

You don't have to fit all three. You have to fit one to qualify. Stafford fits because of injury, Smith fits because of adversity. They both qualify. But there's absolutely no way Smith should win this award over Stafford. That's just ridiculous.

I'm not blaming Stafford, but without Megatron, does Stafford really throw for 41 TDs with the rest of the offensive weapons.

Of course he doesn't. Without Randy Moss Tom Brady never throws 51 TDs in 2007. Gronkowski has 16 of Brady's TDs this year as well. What's your point?

Smith didn't really blow any stats but he did finish with his first winning season I believe, a full one, a healthy one and after 7 years of being label a bust, he finally got his team(defense, STs etc....aided too) to the playoffs.

This isn't a team award. It isn't a W/L award. If it was a guy like Steve Smith wouldn't even be nominated. Alex Smith has 2 more TDs than he did last year. 9 more QB rating points. The 49ers are still one of the worst passing teams in the league.

Smith is improved. There's absolutely no doubt about that. Stafford has been a top 7 QB this year on a very mediocre team coming off two shoulder injuries. Take your homer glasses off for a minute and think about that.

6 TDs in 2010... in 3 games. lol way to leave that out... he got hurt and came back this year to play very well.

Exactly.

If anything Stafford has more ammo for MVP talks IMO. But i do think, like stated, Stafford will win the award. I still think Alex should get it cause he overcame more than Stafford did.

MVP and comeback player are two completely different awards. He has ammo for both, especially comeback player.

What did Alex overcome? And don't talk about 06 or 07 or 08 because that doesn't matter when it comes to 2011.

 

[9er4life]

Then the fans missed big time by not voting Victor Cruz as a nominee. I'm sure a lot of them have the false impression that a player had to be an established player at one point to win this award, but he doesn't.

It states in the article that the Associated Press controls the selection process, not the fans.

 

[clyde_carbon]

It states in the article that the Associated Press controls the selection process, not the fans.

Maybe you need to read the article.

Stafford is among five players who were nominated for the NFL Players Association’s version of the award, which was voted on by fans. Jackson didn’t even make the list. In addition to Stafford, Carolina Panthers wide receiver Steve Smith, Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, Green Bay Packers tight end Jermichael Finley and San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith were the nominees. The winners will be announced Jan. 20 at the NFLPA’s PULSE Awards.

This is also an NFLPA award. Do better research.

 

[Rvnight18]

So you don't think Alex is a big reason we won 13 games? We have always had a good defense. This good? No, but a good defense. Alex plays his best football up to date and we win 13 games. He might not put the numbers up, but he doesn't turn the ball over and he leads this offense. Like I have stated before, I want Alex to win but stafford could as well. You might want to throw away previous years of thought, but will the voters?

As for what he over came last year? How about being benched for David Carr? Does that count?

 

[9er4life]

Maybe you need to read the article.



This is also an NFLPA award. Do better research.

Yeah, I guess AP selects the winner. You're right I guess, I'm not an expert on the subject like yourself. No need to be a fuckwad about it!

 

[clyde_carbon]

So you don't think Alex is a big reason we won 13 games? We have always had a good defense. This good? No, but a good defense. Alex plays his best football up to date and we win 13 games. He might not put the numbers up, but he doesn't turn the ball over and he leads this offense. Like I have stated before, I want Alex to win but stafford could as well. You might want to throw away previous years of thought, but will the voters?

As for what he over came last year? How about being benched for David Carr? Does that count?

No I don't think Alex is a big reason we're 13-3. I don't think the 29th passing offense or the fact that we're 24th in the league in passing TDs is a big reason we're 13-3. I don't think Alex being 18th in the league in 1st down % is a big reason we're 13-3.

I think our defense is a big reason we're 13-3. Frank Gore. Jim Harbaugh. I think our special teams have been a bigger reason than Alex. The fact that we play in a poor division.

Why should being benched for David Carr count? What do Singletary's stupid decisions have to do with who should win this award?

 

[clyde_carbon]

Yeah, I guess AP selects the winner. You're right I guess, I'm not an expert on the subject like yourself. No need to be a fuckwad about it!

It usually makes sense to read an article before you try to pass it off as evidence or concrete proof.

 

[9er4life]

It usually makes sense to read an article before you try to pass it off as evidence or concrete proof.

I'm only human, someday I'll be perfect like yourself.

 

[clyde_carbon]

I'm only human, someday I'll be perfect like yourself.

I'm wrong all the time.