Comeback Player of the Year

[clyde_carbon]

So someone who disagrees with you is "not keeping up"

Yes...I think it is surprising, the Jets ranked #5 in total defense with Mark Sanchez at QB, the Jags have the 6th ranked defense. Neither are in the playoffs and neither has a winning record.

NOBODY is arguing that Stafford is not deserving, people are expressing opinions, with Smith it is much more subjective analysis and Stafford much more empirical.

Stafford put up amazing (record setting) after a major injury, Smith was the most lambasted QB in the NFL with a 7 year history of well below average performance and is now the starter on a 13-3 playoff team.

No...someone not keeping up with the discussion is not keeping up. Are you keeping up? He asked me how surprising Smith's 13-3 record is, and I answered by saying that considering our defense, rushing game, special teams, and the division we play in, it isn't very surprising. He then countered that by saying it's not Smith's fault he plays in the NFC West. WTF does that have to do with anything?

 

[clyde_carbon]

clyde's always right. haha

And you're always a moron who discredits everyone offense to prop up Alex Smith.

 

[CalamityX11]

And you're STILL not understanding my point. Maybe if I say it one more time you can catch on. Would it be that surpising to you if I told you that if we'd have the best defense in the NFL, the best special teams in the NFL, with the 8th ranked rushing attack that we'd be 13-3? On top of all of that we're in one of the worst divisions in the league? Would you really be that surprised at that record?

And the only reason Detroit's offense is "more geared" towards the pass is because they lost their top 2 RBs to IR, their coaching staff trusts Stafford much more than this coaching staff trusts Smith, and they consistently have to play from behind.

Please try and keep up next time.

Was I suppose to expect the formention???? under a first year headcoach, the "same ol" Alex, after a lockout? Who the hell ISN'T surprised by our 13-3 record?

For that to become reality, the above mentioned made it all possible. So, Alex DID NOT have a say in the turnover differential in which played a key factor all season long?

A QB can throw for 5000 yds, 40+ TDs etc.... yet Alex still has an extra W or 2 over some.

 

[imac_21]

Is that more of a surprise than Smith at 13-3 after (nearly) finishing last season with 50k fans booing him and chanting "We want Carr" while his coached cussed him out on the sideline on national TV?

The 'expectation' part is metaphorical...its said with the understanding that Stafford was the kind of QB capable of putting up those numbers. Smith was NEVER expected to be where he is this year. Which one of those would be the "Bolder Prediction" at the beginning of the season?

Anyone would've been laugh off as a lunatic if they thought Alex would still be the starting QB of a 13-3 team that was a significant contributor to that record.

First, it doesn't matter what was more of a surprise. The statement was that Stafford did what was expected of him. Expectations don't matter for this award, but who expected 5000 yards and 40 TDs from Stafford? Is it possible that I had tea with Henry VIII? Of course not. Is it more possible if I say I also had wine with Julius Caesar on the moon? Smith (really, the Niners) exceeding expectations does not mean that Stafford didn't exceed his. It has nothing to do with the "bolder prediction." The comment was that Stafford did what was EXPECTED. Not possible, but expected. Who EXPECTED Stafford to throw for 5000/40?

Everyone has talked about what Smith came back from, but what did he come back to? How about most improved?

Also, it was not the end of the season that Smith came had the "We Want Carr" chants. It was week 5 against Philly. In 4 complete and 2 partial games after that he threw for 1141 yards (7.5 ypa), 8 TDs and 1 INT.

Did he really come back this year? He was playing pretty well after the Philly game last year.

 

[Flyingiguana]

lol.

well look at it this way. before the season people expected stafford to have a big season if he stayed healthy. the people got that big season they were expecting, but they also got a lot more than they expected.

nobody expected smith to do anything. i bet if i looked around at season preview stuff that some would wonder how long until kap takes over for smith.

if u value expectations at the start of the season more, u vote smith. if u value big stats, vote for stafford.

 

[CalamityX11]

No...someone not keeping up with the discussion is not keeping up. Are you keeping up? He asked me how surprising Smith's 13-3 record is, and I answered by saying that considering our defense, rushing game, special teams, and the division we play in, it isn't very surprising. He then countered that by saying it's not Smith's fault he plays in the NFC West. WTF does that have to do with anything?

You said, he doesn't play against the Packers or Bears(with Cutler n Forte), so to that, why is that Alex fault?

So to another theory, you would be one to discredit the 49ers 13-3 record due to playing in the NFC West?

 

[imac_21]

Was I suppose to expect the formention???? under a first year headcoach, the "same ol" Alex, after a lockout? Who the hell ISN'T surprised by our 13-3 record?

For that to become reality, the above mentioned made it all possible. So, Alex DID NOT have a say in the turnover differential in which played a key factor all season long?

A QB can throw for 5000 yds, 40+ TDs etc.... yet Alex still has an extra W or 2 over some.

With Stafford at QB the Lions were 3-8 in his two seasons. Why should anyone expect them to have such an improvement this year?

 

[imac_21]

lol.

well look at it this way. before the season people expected stafford to have a big season if he stayed healthy. the people got that big season they were expecting, but they also got a lot more than they expected.

nobody expected smith to do anything. i bet if i looked around at season preview stuff that some would wonder how long until kap takes over for smith.

if u value expectations at the start of the season more, u vote smith. if u value big stats, vote for stafford.

I bet you could find some season previews questioning Stafford's ability to stay healthy. This is the first time he's played a full season.

Why would anyone expect him to throw for 5000 yards when he couldn't play a full season?

 

[Flyingiguana]

nobody expects anyone to throw for 5k yards. the question about the lions was stafford staying healthy.

the question about the niners was can smith even play qb? stafford comes back from injury, smith comes back from horrible coaching and poor play. if stafford is on the niners he doesn't get 5k. his offense has been together for a few years, even though stafford has been injured that offense has had offseasons to work through the playbook.

smith can't touch stafford when it comes to stats, but this award isnt just about who put up the bigger stats.

 

[imac_21]

nobody expects anyone to throw for 5k yards. the question about the lions was stafford staying healthy.

the question about the niners was can smith even play qb? stafford comes back from injury, smith comes back from horrible coaching and poor play. if stafford is on the niners he doesn't get 5k. his offense has been together for a few years, even though stafford has been injured that offense has had offseasons to work through the playbook.

smith can't touch stafford when it comes to stats, but this award isnt just about who put up the bigger stats.

I really only needed to read the first paragraph. If nobody expects anyone to throw for 5000 yards, why did you say Stafford did what was expected of him?

You're right it's not JUST about bigger stats, but statistical performance is a factor. Stafford wouldn't have thrown for 5000 yards in SF, but he probably would have had 20+ TDs. We would have seen a significantly different offense with Stafford in place of Smith.

 

[Flyingiguana]

everyone was expecting a big year from stafford if he stayed healthy. maybe i should say a breakout year where his celing was unlimited because he had a great deal of talent around him in the passing game. those injuries seemed to delay the inevitable in the eyes of others.

there's no way stafford gets 20 td's here. it's hard to get td's when your coach is running wild cats in the red zone. not to mention the holding calls, chop blocks, dropped passes on basically every pass that goes beyond 25 yards. stafford wouldn't have the luxery of holding the ball for those deep passes behind our line.

 

[Southern9er]

No...someone not keeping up with the discussion is not keeping up. Are you keeping up? He asked me how surprising Smith's 13-3 record is, and I answered by saying that considering our defense, rushing game, special teams, and the division we play in, it isn't very surprising. He then countered that by saying it's not Smith's fault he plays in the NFC West. WTF does that have to do with anything?

Yes...I'm keeping up...are you keeping up? (How many times do you want to say that?)

The recap is nice, but you are accusing him of "not keeping up" when the issue is a difference of opinion. You floated the rest of my point when I answered your question affirmatively...

Yes it is a surprise at 13-3 with Smith at the helm with a great D and STs...Smith has been horrible for 7... very surprised he didn't throw more INTs, very surprised he was so efficient and on target when he did throw. Wish our TEs and WRs had better hands. Very surprised that mistakes he made in the past did not result in more than three loses (not blaming the losses on him...just a comment).

 

[imac_21]

everyone was expecting a big year from stafford if he stayed healthy. maybe i should say a breakout year where his celing was unlimited because he had a great deal of talent around him in the passing game. those injuries seemed to delay the inevitable in the eyes of others.

there's no way stafford gets 20 td's here. it's hard to get td's when your coach is running wild cats in the red zone. not to mention the holding calls, chop blocks, dropped passes on basically every pass that goes beyond 25 yards. stafford wouldn't have the luxery of holding the ball for those deep passes behind our line.

We wouldn't be running wild cat in the red zone if we had a QB with the skills of Stafford.

You have an unhealthy love affair with Smith. Did you seriously say that basically every pass over 25 yards was dropped? Most of the drops on long passes must have been dropped by parabolic mic operators and cameramen standing well out of bounds.

You make it sounds like Smith is BETTER than Stafford. It hurts to read your posts about Smith as you seem to think the problems in the offense can be attributed to EVERYONE except Smith. He's not Joe Montana. He's not Steve Young. He's not even Jeff Garcia.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Was I suppose to expect the formention???? under a first year headcoach, the "same ol" Alex, after a lockout? Who the hell ISN'T surprised by our 13-3 record?

For that to become reality, the above mentioned made it all possible. So, Alex DID NOT have a say in the turnover differential in which played a key factor all season long?

A QB can throw for 5000 yds, 40+ TDs etc.... yet Alex still has an extra W or 2 over some.

Of course had a say in limiting turnovers. He also had a say in all of the plays he left on the field.

 

[imac_21]

Yes...I'm keeping up...are you keeping up? (How many times do you want to say that?)

The recap is nice, but you are accusing him of "not keeping up" when the issue is a difference of opinion. You floated the rest of my point when I answered your question affirmatively...

Yes it is a surprise at 13-3 with Smith at the helm with a great D and STs...Smith has been horrible for 7... very surprised he didn't throw more INTs, very surprised he was so efficient and on target when he did throw. Wish our TEs and WRs had better hands. Very surprised that mistakes he made in the past did not result in more than three loses (not blaming the losses on him...just a comment).

I don't understand why how Smith played in 2005 influences the award this year. Smith's horrible 7 years is irrelevant (and incorrect, he hasn't been horrible for 7 years, or even 6). Each year he's played has been better than the previous.

It's Comeback Player of the Year, not Moderately Improving Player Each Season Who Has Been Selected to be Honoured this Year.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Yes...I'm keeping up...are you keeping up? (How many times do you want to say that?)

The recap is nice, but you are accusing him of "not keeping up" when the issue is a difference of opinion. You floated the rest of my point when I answered your question affirmatively...

Yes it is a surprise at 13-3 with Smith at the helm with a great D and STs...Smith has been horrible for 7... very surprised he didn't throw more INTs, very surprised he was so efficient and on target when he did throw. Wish our TEs and WRs had better hands. Very surprised that mistakes he made in the past did not result in more than three loses (not blaming the losses on him...just a comment).

Why is it surprising? Baltimore has been winning with a great defense/running game and a bad QB for years. Why is it surprising when the 49ers do it?

 

[Flyingiguana]

two of the long passes that went out of bounds to ginn would have come back from holding calls. the td pass that ginn actually caught was called back by the one and only block rachel made all season. ginn also can't find passes while they're in the air. there were countless drops as well. we don't have johnson who basically catches everything. he has what 1 drop this year? our wr's and davis are lucky to go a game without a drop.

i'm not saying smith is better than stafford, but the coaching philosophy of harbaugh limits the offense in the passing game. it happened at stanford as well, so it isn't about having a better qb. harbaugh has his philosophy.

i don't think smith would put up 5k yards with the lions. but there's no way our offense starts lighting it up with a better qb. we would most likely have more yards, but our red zone problems would not go away.

akers would benefit the most from having stafford on this team

 

[EaseUrStorm]

I think psychologically what Smith came back from last year warrants putting him in the discussion. It was a tougher hole to crawl out of than what Stafford had to endure coming back from shoulder surgery. However, Stafford deserves the award. Alex ended up having a decent year. But the year Stafford had puts Alex Smith's year to shame.

 

[imac_21]

two of the long passes that went out of bounds to ginn would have come back from holding calls. the td pass that ginn actually caught was called back by the one and only block rachel made all season. ginn also can't find passes while they're in the air. there were countless drops as well. we don't have johnson who basically catches everything. he has what 1 drop this year? our wr's and davis are lucky to go a game without a drop.

i'm not saying smith is better than stafford, but the coaching philosophy of harbaugh limits the offense in the passing game. it happened at stanford as well, so it isn't about having a better qb. harbaugh has his philosophy.

i don't think smith would put up 5k yards with the lions. but there's no way our offense starts lighting it up with a better qb. we would most likely have more yards, but our red zone problems would not go away.

akers would benefit the most from having stafford on this team

You couldn't not be more wrong. The coaching philosophy of Harbaugh is to win games. He does that by not asking too much of Smith. To continue to pretend that Smith throws a good deep ball is offensive to everyone who watched the Niners this year. Stop making horrible excuses for him.

Smith wouldn't put up 4000 yards with the Lions. If Smith were in Detroit, they wouldn't be in the playoffs.

If Stafford were in SF, the Niners still would have won the division.

 

[Flyingiguana]

who said smith throws a good deep ball?