Comeback Player of the Year

[imac_21]

The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance

perserverance in overcoming adversity

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Zing what? I'm not saying Smith hasn't faced adversity. I'm saying Stafford has faced more.

But which of those (not being in the NFL, severe injury, poor performance) does "getting yelled at by your coach" fall under?

 

[imac_21]

So you only want to consider a portion of last year? What from Stafford could we equally discount? So in your argument you mention only 6 games out of a 16 game season...what about the other 10? Are starting QBs supposed to be benched or pulled?

Were those, "garbage TDs" as some have said or legitimate, winning "Matt Stafford/Drew Brees TDs"?

You're discounting the second half. I'm accounting for the whole year. You've stated that Smith's season culminated in week 5.

 

[Flyingiguana]

smith was written off as nothing but a bust. i noticed smith was playing better after the eagles game, but even then most people still said he's a bust and shouldn't be starting. smith was basically benched for troy smith at one point last year and everyone knows the whole stadium was booing him every incomplete pass.

typically the award goes to someone coming back from an injury, mainly because a story like smith doesn't happen very often.

 

[Rvnight18]

Gotta love the " up alex's ass" comments.

When you say things like Alex has no reason to be nominated for this award, your hatred turns to obsession. If you think Stafford deserves it fine. But you are so ridiculous with hating Alex. It can't be healthy.

By the way, is Stafford's ass roomy?

 

[Southern9er]

The award is not for the player who has overcome the most doubt. However, Sproles was cast aside by his former team. I'd also like to nominate Victor Cruz for Comeback Player of the Year. And Arian Foster. And Reggie Bush.

Actually Bush is probably the best analog for Smith. He didn't even get nominated.

And did you really say that last season for Smith culminated with the incident against Philly? That was in week 5!! If you were writing a book would you put the climax right at the end of the first quarter of the book?

No, I didn't say that, I don't mean to be offensive but it seems you are being intentionally obtuse. As stated before in a previous post, I said (negative) culmination. I assumed you would understand that. Even after that game Smith had a very below average season which included being "benched". I think all those guys are good selections. I would still think Smith is more worthy because of the adversity factor...but that is an opinion.

Smith's 2010 season culminated with him bouncing back from the incident against Philly. Not with the incident in Philly.

Again not what I was saying...I think you understood that. Smith has never had a season that "culminated" in something good. That was his "low water mark" of his career. Smith was supposed to off the team! The only thing that kept him on the roster was the lockout and Harbaugh.

Does Smith deserve credit for what he did this year? Of course. Is this seasons due to Smith's play? Absolutely not.

You make some radical inferences from what people say. My comment was to you if he was a significant contributor to this seasons success. I can accept a no answer, but I was not trying making the argument that he is the sole reason.

But if the conversation is to become who was more important to their team's success this year and the candidates are Smith and Stafford, Stafford wins in a landslide. How many QBs could have led the Lions to a successful season? How many could have led the Niners?

But just as you said that is not the award...that is an MVP award....this is about a "Comeback"...I agree with that argument...Stafford is more important to his teams success, but that is not about what this award is for.

The swapping QB argument is irrelevant which is why I do not discount Stafford because of the WRs he has. It is an interesting rhetorical argument though...very hard to say how each guy would do if they were on the other team. Harbaugh leans on Gore, but the pass protection has been poor, the Lion's pass more and have much better WRs...would have to check it, but hasn't Smith been pressured much more than Stafford?

 

[Southern9er]

You're discounting the second half. I'm accounting for the whole year. You've stated that Smith's season culminated in week 5.

No I didn't...now you are being obtuse and putting words in my mouth...please refer to the post where I call this culmination a "negative" event.

You are not accounting for the whole year because you explicitly call out his 4 full and 2 partial games with 8 TDs and 1 INT as a reason to support "good" play from him...but it covers less than six games.

 

[Southern9er]

Zing what? I'm not saying Smith hasn't faced adversity. I'm saying Stafford has faced more.

But which of those (not being in the NFL, severe injury, poor performance) does "getting yelled at by your coach" fall under?

Adversity...zing...

Was Stafford benched? Torn up by his coach on national TV? Did he get booed by over 50k fans calling for a 3rd string QB? I think that is massively significant. Overcoming an event like that after his history is nothing short of amazing...my own profession tells me so, by experience.

"More" is a relative and subjective comment. The sad part is I understand your argument and where you are coming from, because of that concept. You don't.

Do you really think Stafford overcoming his physical adversity with all the God given talent to get it done is more than Smith overcoming all the mental adversity of not only a single season, but the baggage that came with him from seven horrible seasons?

This question has no right or wrong...no absolute...in my opinion...No Smith had the biggest comeback.

 

[Flyingiguana]

i don't think there is a qb outside of locker who doesn't wake up wishing they had stafford's arm

 

[MHSL82]

Zing what? I'm not saying Smith hasn't faced adversity. I'm saying Stafford has faced more.

But which of those (not being in the NFL, severe injury, poor performance) does "getting yelled at by your coach" fall under?

Hold on, I've followed what you said (in this thread) and have agreed with a lot of your points. But how has Stafford overcome more adversity than Smith has? If it's being upset with getting injured all the time, how is that more than Smith missing games due to injury one year, missing for a whole year (2008), and then losing his starting job to Troy Smith due to injury (if, in fact, he turned it around last year after the Philly game). Injury had to be adversity to Smith. It would appear that if Stafford's adversity of re-injuring counts as adversity then Smith losing his job to Troy initially due to injury would be adversity as well. Add in all the rest (the booing, the bust label, dealing with Singletary, etc.) how could you say that Stafford had MORE adversity?

Just to be clear - I am NOT saying 2005-2009 count, I'm saying that Smith had to be frustrated with his Carolina injury as much as Stafford would be of his injury. Injury is the adversity that Stafford faced. Smith, having missed much time before 2010, re-injury had to be as strong of adversity as Stafford re-injuring himself. Plus, it's more adversity when Smith didn't know he'd come back to play that year (Singletary was wild) and Stafford knew he was coming back.

I agree that adversity isn't the only factor. Injury counts. Stafford was injured. Stafford had a bigger year. But more adversity?

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

No way in hell has Stafford faced more adversity.

 

[drekeeper]

This thread traveled entirely too long. Stafford walks away with this award

 

[imac_21]

The adversity one faces for the award is "not being in the NFL, severe injury, poor performance." Stafford faced severe injury.

Smith got yelled at by his coach.

Southern, those 6 games that I'm referring to all occurred in the last 11 weeks. After Singletary bitched him out, he played well the rest of the time he played.

So was he coming back from severe injury in 2010? Nope. He missed a game and change due to injury.

Was he coming back from poor performance? Nope. He actually played quite well.

Was he coming back from not being in the NFL? Not to my knowledge.

He came back from an idiot coach.

How about Frank Gore for comeback player? He came back from a terrible coach and severe injury.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Because they didn't have Alex Smith as a QB...player labled a bust, who had to restructure his contract to stay with the 49ers

Are you saying that Flacco and Smith are equals? Is Flacco a bust? Has he had to deal with the adversity that Smith has?

Alex Smith is still labeled as a bust by many. At the very least a big disappointment. The best he's been called by anyone this year is game-manager. It's not he has come back to set the league ablaze. He's actually averaging LESS yards per game and LESS TDs per game than he did last season. The only category he's markedly better in is turnovers.

I'm saying that it isn't surprising that teams with great defenses, running games, and special teams can win a lot of games. If you told me that Smith was gonna have the 8th best runnin game, the best scoring defense, and the best special teams, and added that he was gonna win 13 games, I wouldn't be all that surprised considering these circumstances.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Tom Brady was yelled at two weeks ago by his coach. Let's give him the award.

 

[Flyingiguana]

Alex Smith is still labeled as a bust by many. At the very least a big disappointment. The best he's been called by anyone this year is game-manager. It's not he has come back to set the league ablaze. He's actually averaging LESS yards per game and LESS TDs per game than he did last season. The only category he's markedly better in is turnovers.

I'm saying that it isn't surprising that teams with great defenses, running games, and special teams can win a lot of games. If you told me that Smith was gonna have the 8th best runnin game, the best scoring defense, and the best special teams, and added that he was gonna win 13 games, I wouldn't be all that surprised considering these circumstances.

look at the definition of the award

 

[clyde_carbon]

look at the definition of the award

Thanks. Now I get it.

Let's hand it to Alex Smith. He got yelled at last season.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

2010 was pretty harsh. Smith goes from Singletary spitting and yelling in his face to Harbaugh pumping him up getting him ready for games. It's been a hell of a turnaround. I'm just glad Smith is in the convo for the award. He's been through hell and I'm happy for his success. Can we all agree if there was a comeback team of the year award Niners would win unanimously?

According to clyde he doesnt even have a case in the matter lol

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Alex Smith is still labeled as a bust by many. At the very least a big disappointment. The best he's been called by anyone this year is game-manager. It's not he has come back to set the league ablaze. He's actually averaging LESS yards per game and LESS TDs per game than he did last season. The only category he's markedly better in is turnovers.

I'm saying that it isn't surprising that teams with great defenses, running games, and special teams can win a lot of games. If you told me that Smith was gonna have the 8th best runnin game, the best scoring defense, and the best special teams, and added that he was gonna win 13 games, I wouldn't be all that surprised considering these circumstances.

Seems you have ignored many of my posts and ignored all the facts i have put out there. I think we can all agree that stafford might win but to say smith doesnt even have an arguement is rediculous.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

How about Carlos Rogers? lol

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

How about Carlos Rogers? lol

Haha i was thnking about that the other day as well. It wont happen though lol