Comeback Player of the Year

[imac_21]

who said smith throws a good deep ball?

Well, you seem to blame everyone except Smith for the failure to hit on every deep ball he throws. You deny that he throws them well out of bounds where they can't be caught.

It's like Alex Smith is your Edward Cullen.

That's two throws in a row that Stafford has made that Smith wouldn't even try. Neither went to Megatron.

 

[Flyingiguana]

it doesn't matter if stafford could throw the ball and have it zig zag past defenders. it would get called back by a penalty or it would be dropped.

 

[Southern9er]

I don't understand why how Smith played in 2005 influences the award this year. Smith's horrible 7 years is irrelevant (and incorrect, he hasn't been horrible for 7 years, or even 6). Each year he's played has been better than the previous.

It's Comeback Player of the Year, not Moderately Improving Player Each Season Who Has Been Selected to be Honoured this Year.

Didn't say that...you did. But what I did suggest that it's hard to ignore how horrible his play has been the past 7 years and I don't think the AP will be as obtuse as some when they look at how he has improved. People know this and it will come into play.

I disagree that he has moderately improved. Each year has not been better, I'm sure there are stats to support your comment in some areas, but expectations of acceptable performance increase each year as well...and I don't think there is a lower point in his career than that game when he got bitched out on the sideline with nearly all of Candlestick calling for Carr and booing him.

I just boggles the mind to think that Alex has "moderately improved there"...I dont think Harbaugh and just about any analyst or fan other than clyde would agree with you.

 

[imac_21]

it doesn't matter if stafford could throw the ball and have it zig zag past defenders. it would get called back by a penalty or it would be dropped.

See? It's everyone else's fault. Smith would be All Pro if he had an average line and average receivers.

 

[Flyingiguana]

See? It's everyone else's fault. Smith would be All Pro if he had an average line and average receivers.

i didn't say smith would be an all pro if he was on a better team. stafford wouldn't be if he was a niner. his stats would be better than smith's, might have more interceptions which could hurt his rating.

for the lions to make the playoffs this year, they need a big arm qb like stafford. it's the way their offense is.

 

[imac_21]

Didn't say that...you did. But what I did suggest that it's hard to ignore how horrible his play has been the past 7 years and I don't think the AP will be as obtuse as some when they look at how he has improved. People know this and it will come into play.

I disagree that he has moderately improved. Each year has not been better, I'm sure there are stats to support your comment in some areas, but expectations of acceptable performance increase each year as well...and I don't think there is a lower point in his career than that game when he got bitched out on the sideline with nearly all of Candlestick calling for Carr and booing him.

I just boggles the mind to think that Alex has "moderately improved there"...I dont think Harbaugh and just about any analyst or fan other than clyde would agree with you.

So because he had a career low point that lasted 1 game, that means he hasn't been improving each year?

There aren't some stats that support that. ALL stats support that. The only exception is the 2007 year where he played injured for most of his games.

Comeback Player of the Year is not a career achievement award. The voters, who vote for it every year, will likely not be swayed by Smith's career arc. Niner fans, who are (justifiably) biased toward Smith, who rarely have a player in the running for CPotY are (understandably) biased toward Smith.

 

[imac_21]

i didn't say smith would be an all pro if he was on a better team. stafford wouldn't be if he was a niner. his stats would be better than smith's, might have more interceptions which could hurt his rating.

for the lions to make the playoffs this year, they need a big arm qb like stafford. it's the way their offense is.

No, you just say that everything that goes wrong with this offense is because of the receivers and the OL.

I'm not continuing this discussion with you. You're clearly #TeamSmith and are taking the same approach as a 13 year old girl would arguing for Twilight over Harry Potter.

It's offensive to my nationality.

 

[Flyingiguana]

No, you just say that everything that goes wrong with this offense is because of the receivers and the OL.

I'm not continuing this discussion with you. You're clearly #TeamSmith and are taking the same approach as a 13 year old girl would arguing for Twilight over Harry Potter.

It's offensive to my nationality.

our offense sucks. a better qb is not going to make it look like a top 5 offense. this isn't about smith, this isnt about stafford. to say again our offense stinks.

i've said this in other threads, but i want us to look for a new qb. if i was so #teamsmith as u say, i wouldn't be saying this.

 

[Southern9er]

Why is it surprising? Baltimore has been winning with a great defense/running game and a bad QB for years. Why is it surprising when the 49ers do it?

Because they didn't have Alex Smith as a QB...player labled a bust, who had to restructure his contract to stay with the 49ers

Are you saying that Flacco and Smith are equals? Is Flacco a bust? Has he had to deal with the adversity that Smith has?

 

[Southern9er]

So because he had a career low point that lasted 1 game, that means he hasn't been improving each year?

There aren't some stats that support that. ALL stats support that. The only exception is the 2007 year where he played injured for most of his games.

Comeback Player of the Year is not a career achievement award. The voters, who vote for it every year, will likely not be swayed by Smith's career arc. Niner fans, who are (justifiably) biased toward Smith, who rarely have a player in the running for CPotY are (understandably) biased toward Smith.

How long do you want that low point to last for it to be important? Do you not think he has been on the bottom long enough? It's been his entire career until now...that was just the (negative) culminating point.

I'll take your word for it...you are very good with stats, but improving each year is not enough. That is an exceptionally myopic view. If he threw for 150 yds per game one season and threw for 151 yds per game next season, that's an improvement right? He's been a very below average player since he entered the league, even if he has improved in every category, every year.

In this case...yes, I am biased towards Smith. Perhaps I'm biased because in my business I am trained and very experienced in making subjective assessments and taking in the total picture. I do not discount the yds Stafford has put up. It is the easy..."eye level"...observation and acknowledgement to say Stafford deserves the award. What is tougher is to assess how you can compare Staffords stats and injury to what Smith has overcome... and what it has taken for him NOT to have a season like the past seven.

 

[imac_21]

How long do you want that low point to last for it to be important? Do you not think he has been on the bottom long enough? It's been his entire career until now...that was just the (negative) culminating point.

I'll take your word for it...you are very good with stats, but improving each year is not enough. That is an exceptionally myopic view. If he threw for 150 yds per game one season and threw for 151 yds per game next season, that's an improvement right? He's been a very below average player since he entered the league, even if he has improved in every category, every year.

In this case...yes, I am biased towards Smith. Perhaps I'm biased because in my business I am trained and very experienced in making subjective assessments and taking in the total picture. I do not discount the yds Stafford has put up. It is the easy..."eye level"...observation and acknowledgement to say Stafford deserves the award. What is tougher is to assess how you can compare Staffords stats and injury to what Smith has overcome... and what it has taken for him NOT to have a season like the past seven.

I think it's misleading to imply that the low point in Smith's career being in 2010 means 2010 was not his best season when it concluded (obviously I'm excluding this year).

I'm sure there are lots of players who have had their career low points in seasons that were not their worst seasons. That doesn't mean they hadn't been improving throughout their career.

And again, the last 7 years is irrelevant. 2010 and 2011 are what matters.

Otherwise maybe Darren Sproles should win it.

 

[SRPnVA]

I think it's misleading to imply that the low point in Smith's career being in 2010 means 2010 was not his best season when it concluded (obviously I'm excluding this year).

I'm sure there are lots of players who have had their career low points in seasons that were not their worst seasons. That doesn't mean they hadn't been improving throughout their career.

And again, the last 7 years is irrelevant. 2010 and 2011 are what matters.

Otherwise maybe Darren Sproles should win it.

2010 was pretty harsh. Smith goes from Singletary spitting and yelling in his face to Harbaugh pumping him up getting him ready for games. It's been a hell of a turnaround. I'm just glad Smith is in the convo for the award. He's been through hell and I'm happy for his success. Can we all agree if there was a comeback team of the year award Niners would win unanimously?

 

[imac_21]

2010 was pretty harsh. Smith goes from Singletary spitting and yelling in his face to Harbaugh pumping him up getting him ready for games. It's been a hell of a turnaround. I'm just glad Smith is in the convo for the award. He's been through hell and I'm happy for his success. Can we all agree if there was a comeback team of the year award Niners would win unanimously?

It was week 5 that Singletary was yelling in his face. After that Smith in 4 full and 2 partial games, threw for 1100 yards, 8 TDs and only 1 INT.

He came back this year from a good 2nd half last year?

If Smith is in the running, Sproles should be.

 

[Southern9er]

I think it's misleading to imply that the low point in Smith's career being in 2010 means 2010 was not his best season when it concluded (obviously I'm excluding this year).

I'm sure there are lots of players who have had their career low points in seasons that were not their worst seasons. That doesn't mean they hadn't been improving throughout their career.

And again, the last 7 years is irrelevant. 2010 and 2011 are what matters.

Otherwise maybe Darren Sproles should win it.

There's nothing misleading about it, Smith had a horrible year last season culminating in the aforementioned event. The 7 years is not irrelevant, because the voters will know it happened, they are not computers, not robots, and capable of bias themselves.

Do you think Smith's play has been irrelevant this season? That he has not contributed significantly to this teams turn around?

I did not read the rules, but unless they explicitly state that you can only consider the previous year then you are correct about the previous 6 years. Even so, there is a damn good argument for Smith...

Were Sproles or Stafford EVER thought of the same way Smith was last year?

 

[Southern9er]

It was week 5 that Singletary was yelling in his face. After that Smith in 4 full and 2 partial games, threw for 1100 yards, 8 TDs and only 1 INT.

He came back this year from a good 2nd half last year?

If Smith is in the running, Sproles should be.

So you only want to consider a portion of last year? What from Stafford could we equally discount? So in your argument you mention only 6 games out of a 16 game season...what about the other 10? Are starting QBs supposed to be benched or pulled?

Were those, "garbage TDs" as some have said or legitimate, winning "Matt Stafford/Drew Brees TDs"?

 

[Flyingiguana]

the saints and lions game shows exactly what i mean about our offense. they both have good lines and excellent playmakers. smith might not be able to run those offenses that well but we lack the weapons of those teams to have a top 5 offense no matter who is under centre.

stafford has the monster stats, but as i said the more i think about it the more i like smith for the award.

 

[imac_21]

There's nothing misleading about it, Smith had a horrible year last season culminating in the aforementioned event. The 7 years is not irrelevant, because the voters will know it happened, they are not computers, not robots, and capable of bias themselves.

Do you think Smith's play has been irrelevant this season? That he has not contributed significantly to this teams turn around?

I did not read the rules, but unless they explicitly state that you can only consider the previous year then you are correct about the previous 6 years. Even so, there is a damn good argument for Smith...

Were Sproles or Stafford EVER thought of the same way Smith was last year?

The award is not for the player who has overcome the most doubt. However, Sproles was cast aside by his former team. I'd also like to nominate Victor Cruz for Comeback Player of the Year. And Arian Foster. And Reggie Bush.

Actually Bush is probably the best analog for Smith. He didn't even get nominated.

And did you really say that last season for Smith culminated with the incident against Philly? That was in week 5!! If you were writing a book would you put the climax right at the end of the first quarter of the book?

Smith's 2010 season culminated with him bouncing back from the incident against Philly. Not with the incident in Philly.

Does Smith deserve credit for what he did this year? Of course. Is this seasons due to Smith's play? Absolutely not.
But if the conversation is to become who was more important to their team's success this year and the candidates are Smith and Stafford, Stafford wins in a landslide. How many QBs could have led the Lions to a successful season? How many could have led the Niners?

 

[SRPnVA]

It was week 5 that Singletary was yelling in his face. After that Smith in 4 full and 2 partial games, threw for 1100 yards, 8 TDs and only 1 INT.

He came back this year from a good 2nd half last year?

If Smith is in the running, Sproles should be.

No doubt.

 

[Flyingiguana]

The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance

perserverance in overcoming adversity

zing

 

[Flyingiguana]

i didn't realize harbaugh won it. maybe smith and stafford will share it like he did with hearst