Celtics '20'21 - The Young and the Restless

[shopson67]

Moses Brown is the future!!!!

I'll admit I'm intrigued by him. Would've been a good reason to watch OKC, which I avoided lol.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Time-traveling back to 2019, lol.

You must have missed some of his games with OKC before they shut him down.

 

[LogicMan]

Moses Brown is the future!!!!

It would be funny if this was the best player of the three in years ahead

 

[LogicMan]

With regards to the 1st round pick that Boston lost, Moses Brown represents very comparable value in terms of potential and cost to that pick... it's basically a wash.

Celts wanted him vs pick 16

 

[Yo Tee]

Many problems I have with this trade.

1. Why give up Kemba AND a 1st? Horford and Brown are NOT worth Kemba and a 1st in any year or any reality. Would OKC really not JUST take Kemba and the 2nd for Horford, a backup C and another 2nd? Seems like they definitely gave away too much for this trade.

2. Giving up on Kemba because of his injury filled season this year is a mistake. Look what he did when he was healthy last year. All-Star, almost 20 PPG in the regular season AND the Playoffs. Kemba missed 16 games last year and the C's were the 3rd seed and made it to the ECF. This year, he misses 29 games and they BARELY make the playoffs.

3. Isaiah Roby is now the starting PF for the Oklahoma City Thunder. He averaged 9 PPG in his 61 games played, including 34 starts. Next year will be his 3rd year of a 4 year contract and he will make $1.785 mill next year. Financially, great move by OKC but production wise, if they don't get another PF, OKC might be in for a long year next year.

Who's the winner? Tough to say. Celtics save money but had to get rid of a pretty good (when healthy) PG in Kemba Walker and a 1st round pick they really could've used for next year because this team just had no identity whatsoever. Almost looked lost at times as well. The Thunder save money as well and also gain their 3rd 1st round pick for the 2021 draft. Projected to pick 4th, 16th and 18th, if they can get at least 2 of the 3 picks right, we may see the Thunder of decades ago back in contention. However, I believe OKC has relegated themselves to at least another rough season next year, especially if they don't address the PF position. Short term, Boston wins this trade. Long term, I believe the Thunder win this trade as long as they can get their 1st round picks right. Which, by the way, the Thunder now have 19 1st round picks from 2021-2027. 3 in 2021, 2 in 2022, 4 in 2023, 3 in 2024, 3 in 2025, 3 in 2026 and 1 in 2027.

 

[Gman]

Many problems I have with this trade.

1. Why give up Kemba AND a 1st? Horford and Brown are NOT worth Kemba and a 1st in any year or any reality. Would OKC really not JUST take Kemba and the 2nd for Horford, a backup C and another 2nd? Seems like they definitely gave away too much for this trade...

You haven't factored in the financial side of the equation to your analysis here... getting rid of Kemba's awful contract was Boston's main and overriding goal... and whoever the trading partner ended up being, they were gonna need to be compensated for taking on that bad contract.

 

[The Q]

You haven't factored in the financial side of the equation to your analysis here... getting rid of Kemba's awful contract was Boston's main and overriding goal... and whoever the trading partner ended up being, they were gonna need to be compensated for taking on that bad contract.

they just needed to properly offset it.

kemba is a much better player than al at this point and is less underwater on his contract.

 

[Gman]

they just needed to properly offset it.

kemba is a much better player than al at this point...

^ This is neither in dispute nor is it the point... again, the C's did not make this trade to "upgrade" from Kemba Walker to Al Horford.

... and is less underwater on his contract.

^ This is simply untrue.

 

[The Q]

^ This is neither in dispute nor is it the point... again, the C's did not make this trade to "upgrade" from Kemba Walker to Al Horford.

^ This is simply untrue.

No, it is.

this trade reeks of desperation.
Unless you get Bradley Beal next summer, it is a major major mistake.

 

[Gman]

No, it is.

this trade reeks of desperation.
Unless you get Bradley Beal next summer, it is a major major mistake.

If we're not going anywhere with Kemba Walker... (and we're not)... then that point alone disproves your analysis here.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yessss, Yesssss, this thread reeks of the fear, desperation and disappointment of Celtics fans.

 

[Gman]

At least 75% of NBA franchises would be glad to trade their current position for the "desperate" situation of the Celtics.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

At least 75% of NBA franchises would be glad to trade their current position for the "desperate" situation of the Celtics.

No doubt.

 

[Yo Tee]

You haven't factored in the financial side of the equation to your analysis here... getting rid of Kemba's awful contract was Boston's main and overriding goal... and whoever the trading partner ended up being, they were gonna need to be compensated for taking on that bad contract.

But is it really a bad contract if Kemba comes back fully healthy next year and does his usual 20 PPG, All-Star type year? Because to me, I'd rather have a healthy Kemba on my roster over anything. Not to mention, at a GM, I would not be giving up not only an All-Star PG but also a 1st round pick? That's craziness to me. I don't see how the Celtics win this trade unless they are able to sign a huge free agent with the money that they saved by giving up on Kemba after a bad, injury filled year. Now if tests and whatnot done on his left knee showed some serious damage and that's just not being said or publicized, then that's a different story because Kemba then wouldn't be back to his normal healthy productive years. I hope Kemba goes off next year for OKC.

 

[Gman]

But is it really a bad contract if Kemba comes back fully healthy next year and does his usual 20 PPG, All-Star type year? Because to me, I'd rather have a healthy Kemba on my roster over anything. Not to mention, at a GM, I would not be giving up not only an All-Star PG but also a 1st round pick? That's craziness to me. I don't see how the Celtics win this trade unless they are able to sign a huge free agent with the money that they saved by giving up on Kemba after a bad, injury filled year. Now if tests and whatnot done on his left knee showed some serious damage and that's just not being said or publicized, then that's a different story because Kemba then wouldn't be back to his normal healthy productive years. I hope Kemba goes off next year for OKC.

First of all, you've twice used the word "all-star" to describe Kemba Walker. No offense, but those days are over for Kemba... even if he's reasonably healthy next season, he's no all-star.

Second of all, betting on Kemba being healthy next year seems like a bad bet. IMO.

 

[The Q]

But is it really a bad contract if Kemba comes back fully healthy next year and does his usual 20 PPG, All-Star type year? Because to me, I'd rather have a healthy Kemba on my roster over anything. Not to mention, at a GM, I would not be giving up not only an All-Star PG but also a 1st round pick? That's craziness to me. I don't see how the Celtics win this trade unless they are able to sign a huge free agent with the money that they saved by giving up on Kemba after a bad, injury filled year. Now if tests and whatnot done on his left knee showed some serious damage and that's just not being said or publicized, then that's a different story because Kemba then wouldn't be back to his normal healthy productive years. I hope Kemba goes off next year for OKC.

no, it wouldn’t be.

it might still be slightly underwater.

but Kemba despite missing time to recover and play himself into shape was still an over 20m per year player by multiple metrics.

he was worth over 4 war and was a top 50 player in the league based on some metrics.

this is a panic move.

 

[LogicMan]

Time will tell. Move 2 is ahead

 

[shopson67]

You must have missed some of his games with OKC before they shut him down.

You missed the point. He was last with the Celtics in 2019.

 

[shopson67]

But is it really a bad contract if Kemba comes back fully healthy next year and does his usual 20 PPG, All-Star type year? Because to me, I'd rather have a healthy Kemba on my roster over anything. Not to mention, at a GM, I would not be giving up not only an All-Star PG but also a 1st round pick? That's craziness to me. I don't see how the Celtics win this trade unless they are able to sign a huge free agent with the money that they saved by giving up on Kemba after a bad, injury filled year. Now if tests and whatnot done on his left knee showed some serious damage and that's just not being said or publicized, then that's a different story because Kemba then wouldn't be back to his normal healthy productive years. I hope Kemba goes off next year for OKC.

Kemba may do so in OKC, because that's where he thrives; on lottery teams. He has never been a key piece to any playoff team and his usage rate (needs the ball) indicates a poor fit on any team where he is not a primary option, which he will never be. His production is fool's gold to some degree. However, with SGA already entrenched in OKC, it's more likely Kemba is moved on again this summer for more draft picks.

The Celtics need a more complimentary distributor at PG that doesn't need the ball as much, perhaps Marcus Smart can step into that role while the kids Pritchard and Edwards develop behind him. Moving Smart to exclusively PG also opens up more minutes for Langford behind Brown. These kids need to become a strength of this team (or future trade chips), as they seem to have the talent to do so.

 

[redseat]

Celtics hire Ime Udoka