C-19 Vaccinations

[gkekoa]

I wrote this over the weekend and there have been more posts since I did so. That said, this entire thread needs to be deleted because of the untruths, disinformation, contorted math and outright propaganda being posted.

The following terms and use of language is simply disinformation, nonsensical or at best argumentative.

• “ we have 320 plus mil in the U.S. and about 7000,000 deaths, that’s 0.0021875”
• “forced compliance”
• “these vaccines are still in an experimental phase”
• “Vaxed people should not fear Covid”
• “If unvaccinated people die then fuck em I say.”
• “CDC and other government agencies just refuse to talk about any issues and side effects of these medications.”
• “Has herd immunity let people forget about masks?”
• “a vaccine that alters my DNA” (this is hilarious!)
• “Except it still is not FDA approved.” (See “Fully”)
• “as Dad has said, the odds of death are extremely low even if you catch it,” [Sic}
• “you cannot carry on calling this a 'vaccine' when people are still catching and transmitting the virus.”
• “My claim is that COVID has shown to have zero percent chance of long-term harm to NFL players, let alone death.”
• “It also is not the responsibility of the NFL to coerce their players into taking the vaccine”

I will go with my two.

Are you suggesting my statement of statistical zero percent chance of death for long-term harm to NFL players, let alone death is inaccurate? If so, please point out the player who contracted it and has long term effects.

Are you suggesting the NFL is not trying to coerce players into taking the vaccine? Keep in mind the definition of coerce is to use force or threats to persuade somebody to do something.

 

[Stymietee]

I will go with my two.

Are you suggesting my statement of statistical zero percent chance of death for long-term harm to NFL players, let alone death is inaccurate? If so, please point out the player who contracted it and has long term effects.

Are you suggesting the NFL is not trying to coerce players into taking the vaccine? Keep in mind the definition of coerce is to use force or threats to persuade somebody to do something.

If so, please point out the player who contracted it and has long term effects.

It's nonsense and assumes that there won't ever be a player who contracts it and dies. Pandemics spread and they do so unevenly, nobody is immune from it, just less likely to die or suffer while enduring it. Has it hit the NFL as it might in future terms, Nope!

Are you suggesting the NFL is not trying to coerce players into taking the vaccine?

Yes!! Absolutely! because of your intentional use of "coerce" as if it was a stand alone in the country that we live. There's a long list of things that we adhere to because it's mandated by one entity or the other (including employers), if that's "coercion," then this is just another in that long list.

 

[skinsdad62]

I wrote this over the weekend and there have been more posts since I did so. That said, this entire thread needs to be deleted because of the untruths, disinformation, contorted math and outright propaganda being posted.

The following terms and use of language is simply disinformation, nonsensical or at best argumentative.

• “ we have 320 plus mil in the U.S. and about 7000,000 deaths, that’s 0.0021875”
• “forced compliance”
• “these vaccines are still in an experimental phase”
• “Vaxed people should not fear Covid”
• “If unvaccinated people die then fuck em I say.”
• “CDC and other government agencies just refuse to talk about any issues and side effects of these medications.”
• “Has herd immunity let people forget about masks?”
• “a vaccine that alters my DNA” (this is hilarious!)
• “Except it still is not FDA approved.” (See “Fully”)
• “as Dad has said, the odds of death are extremely low even if you catch it,” [Sic}
• “you cannot carry on calling this a 'vaccine' when people are still catching and transmitting the virus.”
• “My claim is that COVID has shown to have zero percent chance of long-term harm to NFL players, let alone death.”
• “It also is not the responsibility of the NFL to coerce their players into taking the vaccine”

If you have any numbers that go against it then fire away .

 

[gkekoa]

If so, please point out the player who contracted it and has long term effects.

It's nonsense and assumes that there won't ever be a player who contracts it and dies. Pandemics spread and they do so unevenly, nobody is immune from it, just less likely to die or suffer while enduring it. Has it hit the NFL as it might in future terms, Nope!

Are you suggesting the NFL is not trying to coerce players into taking the vaccine?

Yes!! Absolutely! because of your intentional use of "coerce" as if it was a stand alone in the country that we live. There's a long list of things that we adhere to because it's mandated by one entity or the other (including employers), if that's "coercion," then this is just another in that long list.

At this point there is zero statistical evidence to suggest there will be. The likelihood of death for anybody under 45 is minimal…let alone those who are in peak condition.

Definition…this is coercion. Either you do this or you will suffer. Either you get the vaccine or we will make your life hell.

 

[Stymietee]

At this point there is zero statistical evidence to suggest there will be. The likelihood of death for anybody under 45 is minimal…let alone those who are in peak condition.

Definition…this is coercion. Either you do this or you will suffer. Either you get the vaccine or we will make your life hell.

At this point there is zero statistical evidence to suggest there will be. The likelihood of death for anybody under 45 is minimal…let alone those who are in peak condition.

Key words "at this point" Once again pandemics spread and they do so unevenly, often for years because people are nasty, careless and ignorant. It seems in this case there are large swaths of the country dealing with all three as this virus mutates and becomes more virulent and jeopardizing even the 45 year old in peak condition.

Definition…this is coercion. Either you do this or you will suffer. Either you get the vaccine or we will make your life hell.

Definition... this is ignorance. Either you do the thing that helps rid the country of this virus or as is true in states where vaccination rates are low, you make everyone else's life hell.

 

[Stymietee]

If you have any numbers that go against it then fire away .

Sure, Pandemics spread, hopefully we can agree on that and they do so unevenly. Your math assumes that everyone has the virus and as such the deaths from that whole number is as you've posted. I can assure you that everyone does not have the virus. A better metric follows:

• Pandemics spread and they do so unevenly.
• Not all 330,150,668 people of this country are infected or even exposed to it at present.
• The operating principles are spread and infections.
• To date the total infections in the country is … 34,887,155
• Masks are an added layer of protection, not an be-all, end-all measure. All masks aren't equally effective.

Country… USA Infected… 34,462,236 Deaths… 624214 Recovered… 29341913

Now instead of his bogus/ misleading reasoning which stated… “ we have 320 plus mil in the U.S. and about 7000,000 deaths, that’s 0.0021875” giving the impression that the percentage of deaths relative to the entire population is as herein noted.

Here are the undisputed facts: (I wrote this over the weekend)

Infected = 34887155

Deaths = 624214

Percentage = 0.0178923 (deaths to infections)

Still a relatively small number but far greater than that presented as having value relative to a spreading worldwide pandemic. Why are these numbers important? well, just like the flu, nobody wants it, especially if their particular venture is severe or leads to death.

Infected = 34887155

Recovered = 29341913

Rate (%) = 0.841052

ALL cases

Infected = 34887155

Deaths and recovered = 29966127

Rate (%) = .8589444 (roughly 16% still to be determined)

 

[Stymietee]

I have a question for the skeptical... When talking about long term effects why do you automatically go to the negative?

Here's what I mean...

If the long term effects of the vaccinations were twice as strong erections/ greater stimulation for the ladies and more explosive orgasms for all would you still be against it?

 

[skinsdad62]

Sure, Pandemics spread, hopefully we can agree on that and they do so unevenly. Your math assumes that everyone has the virus and as such the deaths from that whole number is as you've posted. I can assure you that everyone does not have the virus. A better metric follows:

• Pandemics spread and they do so unevenly.
• Not all 330,150,668 people of this country are infected or even exposed to it at present.
• The operating principles are spread and infections.
• To date the total infections in the country is … 34,887,155
• Masks are an added layer of protection, not an be-all, end-all measure. All masks aren't equally effective.

Country… USA Infected… 34,462,236 Deaths… 624214 Recovered… 29341913

Now instead of his bogus/ misleading reasoning which stated… “ we have 320 plus mil in the U.S. and about 7000,000 deaths, that’s 0.0021875” giving the impression that the percentage of deaths relative to the entire population is as herein noted.

Here are the undisputed facts: (I wrote this over the weekend)

Infected = 34887155

Deaths = 624214

Percentage = 0.0178923 (deaths to infections)

Still a relatively small number but far greater than that presented as having value relative to a spreading worldwide pandemic. Why are these numbers important? well, just like the flu, nobody wants it, especially if their particular venture is severe or leads to death.

Infected = 34887155

Recovered = 29341913

Rate (%) = 0.841052

ALL cases

Infected = 34887155

Deaths and recovered = 29966127

Rate (%) = .8589444 (roughly 16% still to be determined)

All minuscule, not even a percent so I don’t see anything resembling the Black Plague

 

[gkekoa]

At this point there is zero statistical evidence to suggest there will be. The likelihood of death for anybody under 45 is minimal…let alone those who are in peak condition.

Key words "at this point" Once again pandemics spread and they do so unevenly, often for years because people are nasty, careless and ignorant. It seems in this case there are large swaths of the country dealing with all three as this virus mutates and becomes more virulent and jeopardizing even the 45 year old in peak condition.

Definition…this is coercion. Either you do this or you will suffer. Either you get the vaccine or we will make your life hell.

Definition... this is ignorance. Either you do the thing that helps rid the country of this virus or as is true in states where vaccination rates are low, you make everyone else's life hell.

At this point is what we have to go by.

Even states with high vaccination rates are going up.

 

[skinsdad62]

I have a question for the skeptical... When talking about long term effects why do you automatically go to the negative?

Here's what I mean...

If the long term effects of the vaccinations were twice as strong erections/ greater stimulation for the ladies and more explosive orgasms for all would you still be against it?

I research all meds I take and I gave 2 example In my life about meds and side affects ,

I have stated several times the vaccine is the best we have at this point and if you feel it’s the best choice for you then do it .

Now basing my wait and see approach based on the numbers ( me personally having gotten it 2x ) on what side effects their are long term I feel I can easily wait it out with almost no affect on anyone around me

Anyone’s triggers don’t require me to tip toe around them you can’t faik

in the end the NFL can use the same protocols they used last year rather then star of daviding anyone .
There is lots I am holding back because of politics but if you like PM me and I will talk to you
There is reason there is skepticism

 

[Stymietee]

All minuscule, not even a percent so I don’t see anything resembling the Black Plague

Much more accurate and definitely not all inclusive! We also don't know how long people will keep this pandemic going.

 

[Stymietee]

I research all meds I take and I gave 2 example In my life about meds and side affects ,

I have stated several times the vaccine is the best we have at this point and if you feel it’s the best choice for you then do it .

Now basing my wait and see approach based on the numbers ( me personally having gotten it 2x ) on what side effects their are long term I feel I can easily wait it out with almost no affect on anyone around me

Anyone’s triggers don’t require me to tip toe around them you can’t faik

in the end the NFL can use the same protocols they used last year rather then star of daviding anyone .
There is lots I am holding back because of politics but if you like PM me and I will talk to you
There is reason there is skepticism

Yeah, I read that, sorry to note that you've been hit twice.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds, just offering a different perspective such as;

Do you know with the same certainty as you seem to have with vaccinations what the long term effects of having the virus are?

How do you know with any certainty that the virus hasn't weakened you and as such a third time might be fatal? (I'd hate this and don't wish it on you) Just something to think about.

 

[Stymietee]

At this point is what we have to go by.

Even states with high vaccination rates are going up.

"At this point" we're still in a raging pandemic bearing a virus that is mutating into a more virulent strain as we speak.


Most of those are among the unvaccinated but to be fair if you include vaccinated/infected/re-infected hospitalizations are 97% unvaccinated, deaths are 99% unvaccinated.

 

[gkekoa]

"At this point" we're still in a raging pandemic bearing a virus that is mutating into a more virulent strain as we speak.


Most of those are among the unvaccinated but to be fair if you include vaccinated/infected/re-infected hospitalizations are 97% unvaccinated, deaths are 99% unvaccinated.

Under 2% fatal.

The highest risk category still has a 95% cance of survival.

Kids have a statistical zero of fatality.



Then let the unvaccinated go to the hospital and die. It is not your job or anybody else’s to save them.

 

[Stymietee]

Under 2% fatal.

The highest risk category still has a 95% cance of survival.

Kids have a statistical zero of fatality.



Then let the unvaccinated go to the hospital and die. It is not your job or anybody else’s to save them.

We're in a pandemic that's about to go into a second year, so rather than more back and forth, let me ask this...

If someone was diagnosed with a curable cancer that will kill them without treatment, but refused to get the treatment necessary, what ultimately happens? Now, apply that same thing to an almost 2 year pandemic that infects, re-infects, and kills, then mutates into more virulent forms of itself going untreated, because of nonsense.


Under 2% fatal... at this point.

The highest risk category still has a 95% cance of survival... at this point.

Kids have a statistical zero of fatality...at this point.

Pandemics don't really care about time or place, it just is and will be until people do something about it...

 

[Stymietee]

Then let the unvaccinated go to the hospital and die. It is not your job or anybody else’s to save them.

BTW: For 32 years of my life it was my job to save lives. Now that I'm retired, it's a responsibility to inform... another form of saving them.

 

[gkekoa]

We're in a pandemic that's about to go into a second year, so rather than more back and forth, let me ask this...

If someone was diagnosed with a curable cancer that will kill them without treatment, but refused to get the treatment necessary, what ultimately happens? Now, apply that same thing to an almost 2 year pandemic that infects, re-infects, and kills, then mutates into more virulent forms of itself going untreated, because of nonsense.


Under 2% fatal... at this point.

The highest risk category still has a 95% cance of survival... at this point.

Kids have a statistical zero of fatality...at this point.

Pandemics don't really care about time or place, it just is and will be until people do something about it...

Obviously the cancer patient dies.

According to the science, those who have been infected have as good and maybe better defense than those who have been vaccinated. Both of those groups have reduced symptoms and chance of death.

A vaccine is not a treatment. It is supposed to be preventative.

People are doing something about it. Some are vaccinated and others have natural immunity. Would you like to know how the a Spanish Flu ended?

Let‘s play your game. All Americans become vaccinated. Does that stop COVID? Nope. Because even with the vaccine, you can catch, carry, and infect. Also, are you willing to make the US an island? Are you willing to shit down the southern border? Hell no you are not. You don’t mind allowing people in the country illegally and allowing them to infect Americans.

 

[gkekoa]

BTW: For 32 years of my life it was my job to save lives. Now that I'm retired, it's a responsibility to inform... another form of saving them.

What did you do?

Feel free to inform. Also feel free to listen and question.

 

[skinsdad62]

Yeah, I read that, sorry to note that you've been hit twice.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds, just offering a different perspective such as;

Do you know with the same certainty as you seem to have with vaccinations what the long term effects of having the virus are?

How do you know with any certainty that the virus hasn't weakened you and as such a third time might be fatal? (I'd hate this and don't wish it on you) Just something to think about.

i dont know and that is a valid consideration . what i do know is that no one knows how to go about containing it

 

[skinsdad62]

We're in a pandemic that's about to go into a second year, so rather than more back and forth, let me ask this...

If someone was diagnosed with a curable cancer that will kill them without treatment, but refused to get the treatment necessary, what ultimately happens? Now, apply that same thing to an almost 2 year pandemic that infects, re-infects, and kills, then mutates into more virulent forms of itself going untreated, because of nonsense.


Under 2% fatal... at this point.

The highest risk category still has a 95% cance of survival... at this point.

Kids have a statistical zero of fatality...at this point.

Pandemics don't really care about time or place, it just is and will be until people do something about it...

unless we are expecting black plague numbers i dont see the time to worry