C-19 Vaccinations

[skinsdad62]

Your numbers dont mean shit.

No NFL player works in a vacuum.
Should alll physical therapists, cooks, trainers, secretaries, massage therapists, doctors, baggage claim attendents, pilots, flight attendents, referees, team officilas, and stadium workers be exposed to Cole Beasley’s personal whims because he is an antivaxxer?

What if they cant get the vaccine? What if they live with someone who has comorbidies?

They should be exposed to Cole Beasley’s selfishness becAuse he wants to get paid a shitload of money to play a game, AND he wants to flaunt the rules?

Fuck Cole Beasley.

you act like vaccinated people cant get or pass along the virus . data above shows otherwise .

 

[skinsdad62]

All “settled science” was, by definition, “unsettled science,” before it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Your point is absurd.

nothing about this virus is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt . the numbers are the data , the facts

 

[gkekoa]

Your numbers dont mean shit.

No NFL player works in a vacuum.
Should alll physical therapists, cooks, trainers, secretaries, massage therapists, doctors, baggage claim attendents, pilots, flight attendents, referees, team officilas, and stadium workers be exposed to Cole Beasley’s personal whims because he is an antivaxxer?

What if they cant get the vaccine? What if they live with someone who has comorbidies?

They should be exposed to Cole Beasley’s selfishness becAuse he wants to get paid a shitload of money to play a game, AND he wants to flaunt the rules?

Fuck Cole Beasley.

No people do not live in a vacuum. That is why you should get the vaccine if you have comorbidities. If you can’t get the vaccine, going out in a pandemic might not be advisable.

Again, forcing somebody to put something into their bodies when that individual is at no risk is wrong.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[chillerdab]

you act like vaccinated people cant get or pass along the virus . data above shows otherwise .

As of right now, it seems as though the amount of transmission from vaccinated people is low.

That’s Science for you: messy, unsure, based on predictive behavior, best guesses, postulates, built on failures and what you learn from them, always correcting course.

Your data is inconclusive. All covid data isnt “settled science,” bc vovid isnt old enough for the science of covid to be settled.

All a rational, thoughtful organization can do is what they interpret to be rational and thoughtful.

As they are the ones making the policies and you are not, forgive me for thinking that you’re two bit, half baked, “research,” is less conclusive than an organizations’ research that stands to make billions of dollars assuming they get “the science,” right.

 

[chillerdab]

No people do not live in a vacuum. That is why you should get the vaccine if you have comorbidities. If you can’t get the vaccine, going out in a pandemic might not be advisable.

Again, forcing somebody to put something into their bodies when that individual is at no risk is wrong.

Your mental gymnastics involving what you think people should and should not be able to do with their own bodies are fascinating.

How you havent broken any bones from all of those logical twists and turns is beyond me.

You must be Gumby.

 

[skinsdad62]

As of right now, it seems as though the amount of transmission from vaccinated people is low.

That’s Science for you: messy, unsure, based on predictive behavior, best guesses, postulates, built on failures and what you learn from them, always correcting course.

Your data is inconclusive. All covid data isnt “settled science,” bc vovid isnt old enough for the science of covid to be settled.

All a rational, thoughtful organization can do is what they interpret to be rational and thoughtful.

As they are the ones making the policies and you are not, forgive me for thinking that you’re two bit, half baked, “research,” is less conclusive than an organizations’ research that stands to make billions of dollars assuming they get “the science,” right.

What’s inconclusive ?

 

[chillerdab]

What’s inconclusive ?

Wait. Is only YOUR data “settled?”

 

[skinsdad62]

Wait. Is only YOUR data “settled?”

Answer the question , what specifically is inconclusive . And no my data isn’t settled

 

[chillerdab]

nothing about this virus is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt . the numbers are the data , the facts

True.

Here are some facts for you:

unvaccinated people make up the vast majority of those who are currently getting infected with Delta Variant covid.

Getting the vaccine prevents the vast majority of people from dying and / or getting gravely ill with covid, including the Delta variant.

NFL teams have a vested interest - namely, lots of money - in getting their covid policies right.

 

[chillerdab]

Answer the question , what specifically is inconclusive . And no my data isn’t settled

I did answer your question. Infer better.

All of the data isnt settled. Every single piece of information related to covid isnt settled.

There are, however, fairly conclusive theories regarding a number of different aspects of covid - from transmission to prevention to symptoms - that are more solid than others.

 

[skinsdad62]

Ok there is at least 7 billion in the world , 4 million are dead , the basic math matches what I said

there are 320 mil in the US 700,000 are dead . The basic math matches what I said .
What’s inconclusive about that ?
The cdc numbers are there the vears is there

 

[chillerdab]

Ok there is at least 7 billion in the world , 4 million are dead , the basic math matches what I said

there are 320 mil in the US 700,000 are dead . The basic math matches what I said .
What’s inconclusive about that ?
The cdc numbers are there the vears is there

Lots is inconclusive there.

for starters, not all deaths are tallied. Not everybody dies in a hospital.

Your data doesnt include “long haulers,” or those who had a horrific experience with covid, or those who tested positive to begin with.

Your data is inconclusive because it is only one data point in a highly complex problem.

 

[skinsdad62]

Lots is inconclusive there.

for starters, not all deaths are tallied. Not everybody dies in a hospital.

Your data doesnt include “long haulers,” or those who had a horrific experience with covid, or those who tested positive to begin with.

Your data is inconclusive because it is only one data point in a highly complex problem.

well lets go with not all covid deaths are actually covid deaths

so you think there are some huge swings that change it from 99.9% to to what ? 30 %

recorded deaths are recorded deaths , and there are probably more then 7 billion people or 320 .

my statement didnt say anything about infections and such . it said that they either havent got it or got it and survived . why would infections needed to be included with that statement

how many unvaccinated the virus have been reinfected ? i put those numbers up so why get a vaccine if you already got it and almost have no chance of getting it again and hence being the cause of the spread

how many covid cases are mis identified ? did the flu vanish ? how many tests are false positives ?

i went with the best data available and simple math . you might get a few points up or down but that's it

 

[chillerdab]

Still doesnt change the fact that you are using exatly one data point to make a case which cant be made with one measly data point.
I’m sorry, but sometimes life is more complicated than the select pieces of information you/people use to try to prove their point.

 

[gkekoa]

Your mental gymnastics involving what you think people should and should not be able to do with their own bodies are fascinating.

How you havent broken any bones from all of those logical twists and turns is beyond me.

You must be Gumby.

Nobody is telling a woman what to do with her body…we are protecting the child inside.

Good try though.

 

[skinsdad62]

Still doesnt change the fact that you are using exatly one data point to make a case which cant be made with one measly data point.
I’m sorry, but sometimes life is more complicated than the select pieces of information you/people use to try to prove their point.

i dont know what else you need .

to be clear chiller if it was me i would take the shot and earn the money . to me either getting it a 3rd time or and side effects are about as equally unlikely , i see it as legal mumbo jumbo dressed up as coercion

i dont like the idea that people thin you can fail safe life

i just dont believe that roger goodell should have that kind of power when you can simply keep the same protocols in place as last year and not star of david anyone

 

[skinsdad62]

lets try and keep the debate to covid 19 , some stats , some opinions and not stray into other areas that lead to politics

we can PM each other and speak freely even if it gets political

thats fair isnt it ?

and yes i know i am on the border too

 

[gkekoa]

Still doesnt change the fact that you are using exatly one data point to make a case which cant be made with one measly data point.
I’m sorry, but sometimes life is more complicated than the select pieces of information you/people use to try to prove their point.

70-80% of the UK is fully vaccinated.
They have 1/5 our population.
They still have more than half of our new cases.


The CDC hasn’t researched natural immunity even though it existed for a year prior to the vaccine. Now, there are studies that show natural immunity is likely better.

COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease | Emory University | Atlanta GA

Recovered COVID-19 patients retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, suggests a recent Emory University study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far. The findings have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine...

news.emory.edu

So why does the CDC keep pushing those of us who have had COVID to get the vaccine, which goes against my doctor’s suggestion, and every doctor I know personally.


Here is a demographic breakdown for you. Half of all deaths are from people 75+. I’m sorry and it may sound callous, but there is no way in hell children should be vaccinated to protect people who are going to die within a few years anyways.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Age, sex, demographic characteristics such as pre-existing conditions, of coronavirus cases of patients infected with COVID-19 and deaths, as observed in studies on the virus outbreak originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

 

[Stymietee]

I wrote this over the weekend and there have been more posts since I did so. That said, this entire thread needs to be deleted because of the untruths, disinformation, contorted math and outright propaganda being posted.

The following terms and use of language is simply disinformation, nonsensical or at best argumentative.

• “ we have 320 plus mil in the U.S. and about 7000,000 deaths, that’s 0.0021875”
• “forced compliance”
• “these vaccines are still in an experimental phase”
• “Vaxed people should not fear Covid”
• “If unvaccinated people die then fuck em I say.”
• “CDC and other government agencies just refuse to talk about any issues and side effects of these medications.”
• “Has herd immunity let people forget about masks?”
• “a vaccine that alters my DNA” (this is hilarious!)
• “Except it still is not FDA approved.” (See “Fully”)
• “as Dad has said, the odds of death are extremely low even if you catch it,” [Sic}
• “you cannot carry on calling this a 'vaccine' when people are still catching and transmitting the virus.”
• “My claim is that COVID has shown to have zero percent chance of long-term harm to NFL players, let alone death.”
• “It also is not the responsibility of the NFL to coerce their players into taking the vaccine”