Bigger fuck up: Losing Barry or losing Suh?

[tpaulus_2]

Only because the Lions refuse to make good FA signings. Dudes prolly the hardest working QB in NFL history. Ours loves ice cream.

 

[gandydancer]

I love ice cream.

Is it pronounced butter paacon or peecan? Should really be topic of this thread. The Suh saga will not unfold til spring....wasted opinionated debate here.

 

[broncosmitty]

I love ice cream.

Me too. (Im the exact same height and weight as that tubby fugger too.)

 

[gandydancer]

Me too. (Im the exact same height and weight as that tubby fugger too.)

Is the creamery doing y'all's wedding?

 

[broncosmitty]

Is the creamery doing y'all's wedding?

Culvers.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Suh is obviously a better DT than McCoy. The DT position isn't just about sacks. QB pressures is an under appreciated stat. How has he done in that category? A defense will scheme away from a dominant force like Suh.

I agree, it isn't all about sacks. It is about pressuring the QB, sacks, stopping the run, taking on double teams, etc. If it was only about sacks -- Geno Atkins would be the best DT in the NFL. If it was about QB pressures -- I'd say it was Suh that is best DT in the NFL. If it was about stopping the run -- it'd be between McCoy and the guy from Baltimore (not even going to attempt to spell his name). When it comes to all three, Gerald McCoy was the best DT in the NFL last year -- he has grown leaps and bounds since his 1st two years where he dealt with injuries. McCoy had the same type of year in 2013 that Suh had his rookie year.

If you really wanted to nitpick. JJ Watt is the best DT in the NFL and it isn't even remotely close, but because he bounces from DT to DE in the Houston D, they list him as a DE. though he had, I believe 12 sacks, the year he had 20, lined up at DT.

Editing to add -- THIS IS MY OPINION. I AM NOT STATING THIS AS A FACT. I don't want anyone to get upset.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Culvers.

I forgot all about that place. We have a Culver's by the mall in my neck of the woods. Have only eaten there twice, but they have some really good hamburgers and crinkle fries.

 

[gandydancer]

Culvers.

Better ice cream cake IMO. Good call there.

 

[RobBase]

Lol- "You aren't paying attention to me."

Quote of the year so far. Puts a lot of this into perspective, hey?

A normal person who understand that asking a rhetorical question like "When was the last time a guy like Suh left after his first contract is basically the same as saying the last guy to leave was Deion over 20 years ago!"

The very simple point is this is so rare, to lose a player like Suh, that it hasn't happened in 20 years.

 

[gandydancer]

I forgot all about that place. We have a Culver's by the mall in my neck of the woods. Have only eaten there twice, but they have some really good hamburgers and crinkle fries.

Butter burgers baby, damn good for the triglycerides. All about the butter

 

[broncosmitty]

I forgot all about that place. We have a Culver's by the mall in my neck of the woods. Have only eaten there twice, but they have some really good hamburgers and crinkle fries.

It's how I maintain my playing weight. Once Numba Nine discovers the glory of cheese curds we'll prolly extend him again. So Ziggy can test the FA waters.

 

[gandydancer]

It's how I maintain my playing weight. Once Numba Nine discovers the glory of cheese curds we'll prolly extend him again. So Ziggy can test the FA waters.

Is this a prediction of Ziggy becoming Suh? Not being resigned because Mr.Moobs gets restructed.

5th year option won't be that bad for Ziggy. Unless they want him to prove he is worthy of it

 

[broncosmitty]

Is this a prediction of Ziggy becoming Suh? Not being resigned because Mr.Moobs gets restructed.

5th year option won't be that bad for Ziggy. Unless they want him to prove he is worthy of it

We don't resign defensive players. Its just how it goes. Maybe Mayhews successor will learn from past mistakes and not "kick the can down the road". If things go well, Ziggy could get tagged atleast. Get an additional season that way.

Since the franchise tag was instituted there can't be more than two or three "elite" players who weren't even tagged after their rookie contract.

And Im not tallinbough guys coming off reconstructive surgeries or convictions.

 

[Naughtymax]

A normal person who understand that asking a rhetorical question like "When was the last time a guy like Suh left after his first contract is basically the same as saying the last guy to leave was Deion over 20 years ago!"

The very simple point is this is so rare, to lose a player like Suh, that it hasn't happened in 20 years.

Brees, Drew, future HOF QB, abandoned by San Diego in the last 10 years. So, it does happen occasionally.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Brees, Drew, future HOF QB, abandoned by San Diego in the last 10 years. So, it does happen occasionally.

Not to mention Mario Williams and Julius Peppers, as TrustMe pointed out.

Those are two contemporary defensive linemen and a great comparison to the situation with Suh, especially Williams- he was a high draft pick who definitely panned out, only to play out his rookie deal and hit free agency.

Long story short is that it sucks, but it happens.

 

[RobBase]

Brees, Drew, future HOF QB, abandoned by San Diego in the last 10 years. So, it does happen occasionally.

I thought they declined to re-sign him and draft Eli (which turned into Rivers) instead because of that shoulder injury? (Miami passed on him too for the same thing). I don't remember it being his decision to leave but I could be wrong.

 

[RobBase]

Not to mention Mario Williams and Julius Peppers, as TrustMe pointed out.

Those are two contemporary defensive linemen and a great comparison to the situation with Suh, especially Williams- he was a high draft pick who definitely panned out, only to play out his rookie deal and hit free agency.

Long story short is that it sucks, but it happens.

I don't know if was his first contract or not but Peppers was with Carolina for 8 years. Might have been a first contract but it seems long.

I don't remember the Texans being optimistic about being able to keep Williams either. I feel like they just let him go because of injuries and never tried to keep him. Unfortunately I don't have the time to fact check this right now.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't remember the Texans being optimistic about being able to keep Williams either. I feel like they just let him go because of injuries and never tried to keep him. Unfortunately I don't have the time to fact check this right now.

Williams was coming off a season where he was injured, but he set the Texans team record for sacks with 54 during his 1st contract with the team. That is why he goes into this season as the highest paid defensive player in the NFL at 16 million a year.

Even with a player as dominant as Williams was for Houston when he was on the field -- the team put up comparable stats with his backup in the game and were better in some areas.

One player isn't going to crush a defense. As good as Suh is -- Detroit wouldn't completely fall apart without him. He isn't a QB. He isn't a player like Calvin Johnson who still puts up monster numbers when teams are double and triple covering him.

Detroit won't be able to sign a player to replace Suh, but they can sign multiple players to make the defense as a whole better. Maybe. LOL. With our front office -- we may lose Suh and decide to sign another weapon for Stafford.

 

[RobBase]

They'll just use all the money they'll save by losing Suh to extend Stafford and Megatron again.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Williams was coming off a season where he was injured, but he set the Texans team record for sacks with 54 during his 1st contract with the team. That is why he goes into this season as the highest paid defensive player in the NFL at 16 million a year.

Even with a player as dominant as Williams was for Houston when he was on the field -- the team put up comparable stats with his backup in the game and were better in some areas.

One player isn't going to crush a defense. As good as Suh is -- Detroit wouldn't completely fall apart without him. He isn't a QB. He isn't a player like Calvin Johnson who still puts up monster numbers when teams are double and triple covering him.

Detroit won't be able to sign a player to replace Suh, but they can sign multiple players to make the defense as a whole better. Maybe. LOL. With our front office -- we may lose Suh and decide to sign another weapon for Stafford.

Whelp, you know something pretty much has to be totally true when you and I are in complete agreement on the subject... I'm not sure what to make of this new phenomenon, though... not sure it's happened prior to this topic...