Big XII

[charlie42s]

to have a CCG a every team in each division must play each other (round robin)

at 13 teams that is not mathematically possible without having some teams play more conference games than other teams. ==> which isnt gonna happen either because that is about as unfair & as stupid as it gets.

when are you guys going to face the music and just admit that 13 teams for a power conference is too problematic and will never happen.

Bingo! It isn't mathematically impossible, nor against NCAA rules.

 

[john01992]

Idiots like me? Bahahahahaha you blowhard, you were the one pumping up the ACC for being holier then though when it came to academics. Bad blood with UConn? No just be real and say FSU threatened to bounce unless Tobacco Road gave in and added a football school. The only one close to that available was UL.
It wouldn't be a heartbeat, but yeah WVU prolly would jump to the ACC.

it would be a heartbeat dude.......

ACC & b12 now make the same amount of money.

ACC has academics, geography, WVU's historic rivals, and a conference that WVU has long dreamed of joining. it doesnt hurt that WVU would have a much easier time competing athletically in the ACC than the b12. if the ACC called with an invite and the b12 voided the GOR your ad/pres will be doing naked cartwheels in the streets.

the biggest misconception is that FSU/clemson pushed the louisville over uconn addition in the ACC. that is not true. there were 5 schools that came out strong in support of louisville. (FSU, clemson, BC, duke & syracuse). duke & syracuse were actually the biggest proponents of LV although BC CU & FSU played a role as well. whats funny is that tobacco road, the northern schools & the southern schools each had an anti-uconn advocate. the ACC hate for uconn extends to all factions of that conference.

Louisville Magazine - MAR 2013
^^^^^
theres a quote on the 2nd page where the louisville AD said that gross & white (the duke & cuse ADs) "were doing the talking for us." and both duke/cuse ADs are quoted confirming that they were LV proponents. it also notes that the LV vote was unanimous. ==> pretty obvious that there was not a lot of uconn love.

and hell yeah i pumped ACC academics & hell yeah i stand corrected on that. the ACC had effectively run out of good academic options with rutgers, syracuse, & pitt already being taken. like i said before ==> theres no "magic university" that existed for the ACC to take that had great academics/markets/athletics. the LV move was quite literally a move of desperation.

 

[john01992]

Bingo! It isn't mathematically impossible, nor against NCAA rules.

are you intentionally stupid or is it genetic?

 

[charlie42s]

Once again, you're being argumentative instead of being rational. You appear to not understand the difference between impossible and improbable.

I'm tired of you and your ways. You're on another poster's 'ignore list'.

 

[john01992]

not my fault that some idiot says "well technically it is possible" but fails to mention that "his way" involves the most radical scheduling concept that would break a conference within 2 years because of the resentment created from it.

 

[GoldRusher]

UCF scores monumental Fiesta Bowl win over Baylor, proves it belongs in big leagues - Orlando Sentinel

 

[occupant]

UCF scores monumental Fiesta Bowl win over Baylor, proves it belongs in big leagues - Orlando Sentinel

They are definitely "trending".

 

[GoldRusher]

one has to wonder about their basketball ect.. but how hard could it be to put a decent basketball program together? We have seen it done at armpits like Villinova and St.Johns. I don't think Orlando FL would be very hard to manage, not to mention baseball in FL..

 

[john01992]

one has to wonder about their basketball ect.. but how hard could it be to put a decent basketball program together? We have seen it done at armpits like Villinova and St.Johns. I don't think Orlando FL would be very hard to manage, not to mention baseball in FL..

aac is going to become one of the better bb programs.

uconn, cincy, & memphis anchor it. temple & smu are severely underrated and have the potential to develop into solid programs. can UCF feed off that???? I dont see why not.

 

[trojanfight]

its a shame that pac 12 big 12 merger never happened that would be a killer conference.

 

[Innermind]

UCF scores monumental Fiesta Bowl win over Baylor, proves it belongs in big leagues - Orlando Sentinel

I would like to see UCF continue their success to the point that the Big XII invites them as a member (along with getting a travel partner for WVU by adding Cincinnati too).

UCF is a huge school, currently the 2nd largest campus (behind Arizona State) in the US based on student population. And since their enrollment has been consistently growing every year, in 2014 UCF will probably surpass Arizona State for the #1 spot. That equates to a large alumni base. IMO, UCF has the potential to become a consistent power in college football. I wish them luck.

One more word about Cincinnati to the Big XII.....at almost 43,000 students, Cincinnati is the 2nd largest school in the football crazed state of Ohio, which happens to be the 7th largest state in population. IMO, entering into the Ohio market would be a smart move for the Big XII.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Cincy and the Midwest is not a growth market.
The Big 12 needs to go west or towards southern growth states Florida, GA, and UNC.

Unless it is getting homeruns like Michigan or Ohio State, the Midwest is a waste of time.
Adding a mouth to feed is a bad idea unless it can pay dividends with its potential market growth.

WVU and TCU were shotgun weddings about survival. They are great partners, but they never would have been invited without the threat of imminent demise.

The Big 12 is stable and relatively strong again.
They will only expand to a place where assets and growth are apparent.

UCF is a very intriguing possibility. They need to do a little work on infrastructure first though.....

 

[yourTEAMreallySUCKS]

people are so gullible.....

Did you know, if say gullible really slow it sounds like lasagna....

 

[occupant]

Largest public in Florida?

Didn't they make the NCAA tourney last year?

I say yes. Would love to get more inroads to the Florida recruiting.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

What the big 12 needs to do is convince the SEC that a 14 team conference is dumb and should give the big 12 2 teams. The SEC doesn't want to go to 9 conf games, and already has huge scheduling issues. Give the big 12 any two teams, and in return the big 12 promises to make kansas play mizzou yearly, and Texas play aTm.

 

[charlie42s]

That is not going to happen.

 

[Wishbone]

What the big 12 needs to do is convince the SEC that a 14 team conference is dumb and should give the big 12 2 teams. The SEC doesn't want to go to 9 conf games, and already has huge scheduling issues. Give the big 12 any two teams, and in return the big 12 promises to make kansas play mizzou yearly, and Texas play aTm.

I'll take Arkansas and Lsu.

 

[Wheat]

Did you know, if say gullible really slow it sounds like lasagna....

mmmmmmmmm, lasagna.......

 

[john01992]

cincy- plays second fiddle to OSU. plus if the b12 pulls a move like this where they try to get a foothold in traditional b10 territory ==> the b10 will respond by poaching another b12 school.

cincy gives very little to the b12, for the b12 to survive they need 3 things.
1) fix the wvu outlier problem
2) fix the academic problem
3) increase their market foothold

thats why i believe their best options are.....

UCF/USF ==> gives wvu much needed florida recruiting. adds two "project schools" that can be very valuable 15-20 years from now

new mexico ==> a school that traditionally recruits texas players, makes sense geographically, similar to a lot of b12 schools. what they dont bring in fb they bring in BB. the b12 is rapidly becoming a major bb conference and another bb school could do them some good. plus having the state of NM would be a nice for a future B12 network

rice ==> gives texas an academic reason to stay in the b12. their football is bad but they did go to two straight bowl games & win the cusa this year (plus they have good baseball)

yes usf, NM, & rice are not fb powers. but thats the point. the b12 has plenty of good football programs as it stands and football competition is not their weakness. having those 3 programs included only elevates TCU, wvu, tech, etc. as they are guaranteed more conference wins and will make the difference between them being bowl eligible and not being bowl eligible.

this is a 14 team conference designed to be as close to the b10/acc/sec/pac12 blueprint as possible given the resources the b12 has.

 

[Innermind]

Cincy and the Midwest is not a growth market.
The Big 12 needs to go west or towards southern growth states Florida, GA, and UNC.

Unless it is getting homeruns like Michigan or Ohio State, the Midwest is a waste of time.
Adding a mouth to feed is a bad idea unless it can pay dividends with its potential market growth.

The Big 12 is stable and relatively strong again.
They will only expand to a place where assets and growth are apparent.

UCF is a very intriguing possibility. They need to do a little work on infrastructure first though.....

There is a common misconception that the Midwest is not growing when in fact, it is experiencing growth...just at a slow rate...nonetheless, it is growing, including Ohio, which again is the 7th most populous state with 'assets which are apparent'.

Ohio Population 2013 | World Population Statistics


Heck, even the state of Michigan, which experienced a population decline for seven consecutive years from 2005 to 2011, is back in growth mode, as it's population has increased the two previous years.

Michigan's population grows for 2nd straight year, stays in 9th place (database) | Detroit Free Press | freep.com


Again, IMO, it would be a wise move if the Big XII moved into the growing football hotbed of Ohio. And again, U of Cincinnati is a very large school with almost 43,000 students (large alumni base). Cincinnati and Central Florida would be a good combo pick-up for the Big XII.

One more thing. The Midwest is a much safer long-term area of growth than Florida. In approx. 25-30 years (perhaps sooner), the coastal real estate industry in Florida is most likely going to begin to tank. The rising sea levels are going to make coastal land owners sell...and these properties are going to be sold for pennies on the dollar. The only people buying the land will be the climate change deniers. In 100 years, the state of Florida will look a lot different geographically with the current coastlines under water, and in 250+ years, the entire state of Florida will probably be submerged.

The Midwest is growing, currently at a slow rate, but that will change when the population realizes the need to move inland, away from the coasts. The Midwest growth rate will certainly explode once the coastal exodus begins in another 30 to 50 years.