Best Trade Deadline Pick-Up.

[jdwills126]

In what is considered by most talking heads to be a weak trade line for deals who ended up with the best trade?

As a homer I really liked the Tigers picking up Inglesias. They lock down a position for the foreseeable future and did not have to take a player off the big league roster. A friend is a big Red Sox fan and he is livid the Sox traded away Inglesias and thats good enough for me as a trade endorsement.

I am not a big fan of todays version of Jake Peavy and if the Red Sox see him as a top of the rotation guy they will be disappointed. Five years ago most definitely but today not so much.

If I had to take the homerism out of the equation I have to say the Orioles getting Norris. A tough division and they have a quality hitting lineup. The only way to beat the Rays and Sox will be with pitching so I think they helped themselves the most.

A close second has to be, minus my Tigers, the Padres getting Ian Kennedy. Kennedy is having a tough year but in Petco with the laid back SoCal attitude of fans I think he will have a comeback season.

 

[jdwills126]

I don't care much for the Yankees pick up of Soriano. I get as it's the Yankees doing the deal it draws a lot of attention from the 4 letter Yankee loving network but I think there was better out guys to be had.

The Yankees are having a huge power outage but can't see Alfonso Soriano as a difference maker ar a long term solution. IMO

 

[Swangin]

Not too much to be overly excited about. I guess since I follow the Rangers more than any other team I'd say I'm just as happy with Garza as any other player moved.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

In what is considered by most talking heads to be a weak trade line for deals who ended up with the best trade?

As a homer I really liked the Tigers picking up Inglesias. They lock down a position for the foreseeable future and did not have to take a player off the big league roster. A friend is a big Red Sox fan and he is livid the Sox traded away Inglesias and thats good enough for me as a trade endorsement.

I am not a big fan of todays version of Jake Peavy and if the Red Sox see him as a top of the rotation guy they will be disappointed. Five years ago most definitely but today not so much.

If I had to take the homerism out of the equation I have to say the Orioles getting Norris. A tough division and they have a quality hitting lineup. The only way to beat the Rays and Sox will be with pitching so I think they helped themselves the most.

A close second has to be, minus my Tigers, the Padres getting Ian Kennedy. Kennedy is having a tough year but in Petco with the laid back SoCal attitude of fans I think he will have a comeback season.

I think the Padres are the big winner. They get a quality starter (even if he's having a down year) who is 28 and still has two years of arbitration before reaching free agency, and will vastly improve by pitching in Petco. All for a lefty specialist and a minor league reliever. You can't make out any better than that. I suspect Kevin Towers is still pulling a paycheck from the Padres.

As for the Peavy-Iglesias-Garcia swap, I'm not sure why I see so many Tigers fans claiming they're "set for the foreseeable future" and things to that effect. Iglesias doesn't scream "franchise shortstop" to me. He's great defensively at multiple positions, so he is indeed valuable in a utility role, but it still remains to be seen whether he can produce enough offensively to hold down an every day starting job. His offensive performance so far this year has been excessively flukey. Lots of infield singles and a high BABIP. His numbers have been coming back to earth for several weeks. He had been a complete liability offensively in his prior MLB experience, and is a career .257/.307/.314 hitter in the minor leagues. At the AAA level, he had a sub-.300 OBP *AND* SLG in nearly 1000 plate appearances. This is a guy who simply can't hit.

He'll fill in admirably once Peralta is suspended, and he'll be a very good utility man, but I hardly see him as a long-term solution. Sure, he may one day develop into a serviceable hitter, but for ever Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel who does that, there's 10 John McDonalds who never amounted to more than a utilityman.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I don't care much for the Yankees pick up of Soriano. I get as it's the Yankees doing the deal it draws a lot of attention from the 4 letter Yankee loving network but I think there was better out guys to be had.

The Yankees are having a huge power outage but can't see Alfonso Soriano as a difference maker ar a long term solution. IMO

There's always better guys to be had, but they cost more. The Yankees aren't going to mortgage what little minor league depth they have to bring in a Band-Aid. Soriano filled a big need for the Yankees and cost them practically nothing.

I'm also not sure what gives you the impression that E!SPN loves the Yankees. Yes, they get a lot of coverage because they're the most well-known franchise in sports, but most of that coverage is negative, and their "analysts" clearly don't like the Yankees.

 

[jdwills126]

The SS position teams can take a gimme on a bad average if the guy can play the field.

Even if I was not a Tigers fan I knew the guy was extremely talented as a fielder. Outside of 3-4 guys MLB does not have many all around players at that position.

Jhonny Peralta had very limited range and with Miggy at third it is important to have a guy that can cover the hole.

So even if Inglesias hits .235 - .255 range he helps the Tigers. Plus the Tigers have nobody in the minors ready to step in. I don't see any FA to be either that would help. And I really don't want to see a retread or 1-2 fix.

 

[jdwills126]

Not too much to be overly excited about. I guess since I follow the Rangers more than any other team I'd say I'm just as happy with Garza as any other player moved.

I heard the Rangers were willing to trade anyone even including Garza before the deadline? Any truth?

 

[jdwills126]

There's always better guys to be had, but they cost more. The Yankees aren't going to mortgage what little minor league depth they have to bring in a Band-Aid. Soriano filled a big need for the Yankees and cost them practically nothing.

I'm also not sure what gives you the impression that E!SPN loves the Yankees. Yes, they get a lot of coverage because they're the most well-known franchise in sports, but most of that coverage is negative, and their "analysts" clearly don't like the Yankees.

You obviously are to close. The network loves them the Yankees about as much as Tebow!

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

The SS position teams can take a gimme on a bad average if the guy can play the field.

Even if I was not a Tigers fan I knew the guy was extremely talented as a fielder. Outside of 3-4 guys MLB does not have many all around players at that position.

Jhonny Peralta had very limited range and with Miggy at third it is important to have a guy that can cover the hole.

So even if Inglesias hits .235 - .255 range he helps the Tigers. Plus the Tigers have nobody in the minors ready to step in. I don't see any FA to be either that would help. And I really don't want to see a retread or 1-2 fix.

For a limited time, I agree, but I wouldn't call guys like that "set for the foreseeable future". If that were the case, why did the Cardinals give up on Brendan Ryan? Why did the Astros and then the Tigers give up on Adam Everett? Because even at a premium position, you can only put up with an automatic out for so long.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

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You obviously are to close. The network loves them the Yankees about as much as Tebow!

I think you're just paranoid. The amount of coverage they give the Yankees is a business decision, not a reflection of their feelings about the team.

 

[Swangin]

I heard the Rangers were willing to trade anyone even including Garza before the deadline? Any truth?

As of today who knows exactly except for the guys on the phone? But it's pretty obvious they were on the phones with a few teams asking about some players that would have taken a lot to get. So if the players they were asking about are all true, then I imagine they were willing to make quite a few players available.

I don't know about "everyone" tho.

 

[jdwills126]

Adam Everett, Brendan Ryan, and a host of guys like that do not have the glove that Inglesias has. Most scouts from what I have read and heard about the trade consider his field work the best since Omar Vizquel and Ozzie Smith.

Thats pretty high thought. From what I have seen of him and what I saw of Everett I would take Inglesias all day long.

The shortstop position right now in the MLB is very subpar when it comes to offensive ability. I would most definitely give up the offense that Peralta was providing for better defense. I truly believe the adage about being strong up the middle wins championships.

 

[jdwills126]

As of today who knows exactly except for the guys on the phone? But it's pretty obvious they were on the phones with a few teams asking about some players that would have taken a lot to get. So if the players they were asking about are all true, then I imagine they were willing to make quite a few players available.

I don't know about "everyone" tho.

The Rangers in it or not?

I know the Tigers inquired about Profar but the price was to high. The fact their was a price I found surprising.

 

[steveringo]

As a homer I really liked the Tigers picking up Inglesias. They lock down a position for the foreseeable future and did not have to take a player off the big league roster. A friend is a big Red Sox fan and he is livid the Sox traded away Inglesias and thats good enough for me as a trade endorsement.

I am not a big fan of todays version of Jake Peavy and if the Red Sox see him as a top of the rotation guy they will be disappointed. Five years ago most definitely but today not so much.

Lucky for Boston, your friend is not the Sox GM. Igelsias will dazzle with the glove and a .235 BA is possible - unfortunately, his SLG will be about the same...

And, double lucky for the Sox that they see Peavy as their #5 starter....

 

[Swangin]

The Rangers in it or not?

I know the Tigers inquired about Profar but the price was to high. The fact their was a price I found surprising.

Rangers in it or not? meaning winning division/making playoffs? If that is what you are asking, yeah they are in it. Will know a lot more when the Cruz situation is known. That is going to be a big hit they might not be able to over come, but as of today they are fine. They have 9 left against the A's with a more friendly looking schedule than the A's this month. It's baseball, funny things happen

A price for Profar was surprising? explain

 

[jdwills126]

A price for Profar was surprising? explain

Everything I had heard is he was untouchable. Then the Tigers GM is saying that the price for Profar was to high. That tells me the Rangers could have parted with him for the right price.


As for Peavy the interview I heard is the Sox planned on him as a top of the rotation guy.

Lester, Peavy, and Bucholtz when he comes back. I would hope the Sox didn't think he was a top of the rotation guy.

.235-.255 is what I hope for out of Inglesias and stellar defense. It's different for Detroit. A guy with great range to cover slow footed 3B means more than a .275 hitter with average range.

Detroit was willing to go with Peralta a lead footed SS that hit .240 last year. So yes I think it's a big upgrade. Especilly when they had zero options in the minors. If Detroit goes status quo and Peralta gets hit with a season ban Dave D an the Tigers are just SOL!

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

Adam Everett, Brendan Ryan, and a host of guys like that do not have the glove that Inglesias has. Most scouts from what I have read and heard about the trade consider his field work the best since Omar Vizquel and Ozzie Smith.

Thats pretty high thought. From what I have seen of him and what I saw of Everett I would take Inglesias all day long.

The shortstop position right now in the MLB is very subpar when it comes to offensive ability. I would most definitely give up the offense that Peralta was providing for better defense. I truly believe the adage about being strong up the middle wins championships.

Wow. You're quite the expert on Jose Iglesias. Surprising considering he's been with the Tigers for all of two days. I haven't read a single person compare him to Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel (Vizquel was always a tad overrated anyway). I've seen them say that about Andrelton Simmons, but certainly not Iglesias, not that he's not excellent. I'd question your eye if you didn't think Everett was incredible. He was a bit older when he was with the Tigers, so maybe he had lost a step, but in his days with the Astros, he was easily the best defensive shortstop in baseball for several years. And he simply didn't last because he couldn't hit a lick. And Brendan Ryan is excellent as well. I think you're overglorifying an unproven player in Iglesias and underrating everyone else. I wonder why?

 

[Swangin]

Well yeah I think the Rangers listened to deals for Profar, and will this winter as well more than likely. Profar is way more valuable to other teams right now than the Rangers. His value is at MI especially SS. Elvis and kinsler are both locked up. They aren't just going to throw him out there for anything, but a top prospect under team control you have time to be a little picky.

besides the extra wild card, prospects are starting to be used, viewed, and valued a lot differently these days. One of a few reasons not a very active trade deadline

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

A price for Profar was surprising? explain

Everything I had heard is he was untouchable. Then the Tigers GM is saying that the price for Profar was to high. That tells me the Rangers could have parted with him for the right price.


As for Peavy the interview I heard is the Sox planned on him as a top of the rotation guy.

Lester, Peavy, and Bucholtz when he comes back. I would hope the Sox didn't think he was a top of the rotation guy.

.235-.255 is what I hope for out of Inglesias and stellar defense. It's different for Detroit. A guy with great range to cover slow footed 3B means more than a .275 hitter with average range.

Detroit was willing to go with Peralta a lead footed SS that hit .240 last year. So yes I think it's a big upgrade. Especilly when they had zero options in the minors. If Detroit goes status quo and Peralta gets hit with a season ban Dave D an the Tigers are just SOL!

And yes, we all know that offensive production is down at the shortstop position, and that you can sacrifice the offense for the defensive value. But how much? Again, a guy like Brendan Ryan, who other than Simmons might be the best defensive shortstop in baseball, can't maintain an everyday job because his bat is such a liability. There are limits to how much you'll give up to have a great glove in the field. A .245/.285/.290 hitter ain't gonna cut it playing every day in MLB. That's about what Iglesias has been the last two seasons until his anomalous start with the Sox this year.

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

I'm also hesitant to trust your eyes, too. Jhonny Peralta's a pretty solid defensive shortstop, and clearly has one of the better bats at the position. I wouldn't be so quick to cast him off. He's a pretty valuable player.