Best team your club ever had.

[ATL96Steeler]

What is the best single season team your franchise ever had?

I'm a Steelers fan and I'll go with the '78 Steelers, the one that got ring #3. Best SB ever, IMHO. The Cowboys team they beat were the defending champs.

I know I'll catch some flack from my fellow Steelers fans as some of them think the best Steelers team was the '76 Steelers. That being said, to be the best in my opinion you have to have won the SB.

Others will say it was the '08 club since 10 of the team we beat in the regular season were playoff teams either in '07 or '08, and had to beat the Ravens 3 times.

Can't really argue with either of them, but my personal choice is the '78 Steelers.

The '76 team had the best DEF, they just got off to a rough start....I thought the best team was actually the '79 team because they no longer had to rely on the DEF...if was more Bradshaw's team, but the DEF was still very good.

 

[Nipsey]

I blame all QB's for getting sacked - including my own. Do you think I'm going to make an exception for yours just because he's Tom Brady?

Your team was built on offense that entire year. How many records did you set? How many games did the Pats run up the score?

When you have a team like that were the offense IS the team, you HAVE to put up more than 14 points.

Remember this quote?

"Yeah, like we're only going to score 17 points". - Tom Brady when told that a member of the Giants had a dream where his team held the Pats to that many.

That's not what he said. Not surprised that's how you think he said it though.

All he did was repeat the question. And he laughed when he repeated the question because his teammates aren't tools like Plaxico. They don't run their mouths -- they play the game.

 

[Nipsey]

I blame all QB's for getting sacked - including my own. Do you think I'm going to make an exception for yours just because he's Tom Brady?

Your team was built on offense that entire year. How many records did you set? How many games did the Pats run up the score?

When you have a team like that were the offense IS the team, you HAVE to put up more than 14 points.

Remember this quote?

"Yeah, like we're only going to score 17 points". - Tom Brady when told that a member of the Giants had a dream where his team held the Pats to that many.

It's NFL football. The Giants are a professional team, with grown men on their side too. Winning 18 games in a row is an anomaly. The fact that they STILL almost won despite getting outplayed is a testament to how good they were.

I'll ignore your crybaby "run up the score" comment.

 

[Broncos6482]

I blame all QB's for getting sacked - including my own. Do you think I'm going to make an exception for yours just because he's Tom Brady?

Your team was built on offense that entire year. How many records did you set? How many games did the Pats run up the score?

When you have a team like that were the offense IS the team, you HAVE to put up more than 14 points.

Remember this quote?

"Yeah, like we're only going to score 17 points". - Tom Brady when told that a member of the Giants had a dream where his team held the Pats to that many.

This is what kills me about some Patriots fans. Replace the Patriots with the Colts in 2007 and they'd be killing Manning for only scoring 14 points with that explosive offense. But since it's their boy, the narrative is, hey, it wasn't Tom's fault, he got them the lead, the defense blew it!

That Patriots offense scored 36.8 points per game that season and got 14 in the Super Bowl. Their defense gave up 17.1 points per game and allowed 17 in the Super Bowl. Now look at those numbers and tell me what failed the Patriots in the Super Bowl, their offense or their defense.

 

[Broncos6482]

That's not what he said. Not surprised that's how you think he said it though.

All he did was repeat the question. And he laughed when he repeated the question because his teammates aren't tools like Plaxico. They don't run their mouths -- they play the game.

Here's the video.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhw_YLGmvKw]Tom Brady response to Plax prediction of Giants winning - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Nipsey]

This is what kills me about some Patriots fans. Replace the Patriots with the Colts in 2007 and they'd be killing Manning for only scoring 14 points with that explosive offense. But since it's their boy, the narrative is, hey, it wasn't Tom's fault, he got them the lead, the defense blew it!

That Patriots offense scored 36.8 points per game that season and got 14 in the Super Bowl. Their defense gave up 17.1 points per game and allowed 17 in the Super Bowl. Now look at those numbers and tell me what failed the Patriots in the Super Bowl, their offense or their defense.

I get that, but after the game I wasn't even upset. I would blame Brady if he had made dumb mental mistakes, thrown interceptions and given up, etc…but he didn't.

When the other teams defensive line is THAT dominant, you have to just shrug your shoulders and congratulate them. They played like men amongst boys.

 

[Broncos6482]

I get that, but after the game I wasn't even upset. I would blame Brady if he had made dumb mental mistakes, thrown interceptions and given up, etc…but he didn't.

When the other teams defensive line is THAT dominant, you have to just shrug your shoulders and congratulate them. They played like men amongst boys.

Fair enough. I agree it's not that the Patriots were flat, or made a lot of dumb mistakes, they just got whipped by the Giants defense.

The other thing that often gets overlooked I think is that the Patriots offense failed to adjust. I could be wrong because I haven't rewatched the game, but I remember thinking at the time that the Patriots kept trying to throw deep and the Giants pass rush wasn't going to let that happen. It seems like they didn't figure that out until the drive to take the lead.

 

[Nipsey]

Fair enough. I agree it's not that the Patriots were flat, or made a lot of dumb mistakes, they just got whipped by the Giants defense.

The other thing that often gets overlooked I think is that the Patriots offense failed to adjust. I could be wrong because I haven't rewatched the game, but I remember thinking at the time that the Patriots kept trying to throw deep and the Giants pass rush wasn't going to let that happen. It seems like they didn't figure that out until the drive to take the lead.

Totally. When they finally started making quick throws to Welker, they scored. I was yelling "thank you!" at the screen.

 

[Midnightangel]

It's NFL football. The Giants are a professional team, with grown men on their side too. Winning 18 games in a row is an anomaly. The fact that they STILL almost won despite getting outplayed is a testament to how good they were.

I'll ignore your crybaby "run up the score" comment.

Wasn't crying, I was pointing out a fact.

They ran up the score on teams just to break records.

Well...weren't THOSE professional sports teams, to? Didn't THEY have grown men on their side?

Your team was mostly offense and if you're going to do that - fine, then you have to put up more than 14 in the biggest game of the year.

 

[Nipsey]

Wasn't crying, I was pointing out a fact.

They ran up the score on teams just to break records.

Well...weren't THOSE professional sports teams, to? Didn't THEY have grown men on their side?

Your team was mostly offense and if you're going to do that - fine, then you have to put up more than 14 in the biggest game of the year.

 

[wood20ks]

Easy the greatest show on turf. Greatest offense in NFL history

Correct.......Thats as much of a no-brainer as my temas team was........the 85 Bears.

 

[wood20ks]

Ok then. Put your best Super Bowl winner against the 07 patriots and they'll still win. I don't see how a guy making a miracle catch negates their abilities. The records are there for anyone to see.

I gotta agree here..........Just cause the Pats lost in the SB,does not mean they were NOT the greatest team ever.

Its tough to win a few games in a row,less try to win what 18-19 in a row and the win the SB.......shit,if NE had lost during the regular season to the Giants,we`d all be calling it "An any given Sunday" win.

i`ve been watching the NFL since 1975,and i have to say the 07` Pats team was probably the greatest I have ever seen.Whether they lost or not.
and this includes my team the 85 bears,which I had always thought of as the greatest.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I gotta agree here..........Just cause the Pats lost in the SB,does not mean they were NOT the greatest team ever.

Its tough to win a few games in a row,less try to win what 18-19 in a row and the win the SB.......shit,if NE had lost during the regular season to the Giants,we`d all be calling it "An any given Sunday" win.

i`ve been watching the NFL since 1975,and i have to say the 07` Pats team was probably the greatest I have ever seen.Whether they lost or not.
and this includes my team the 85 bears,which I had always thought of as the greatest.

This is totally subjective because of the different eras, but I'm in the camp of the '07 NE team not being the best ever...that can't be possible imo if you did not win the champion defining game....and I started watching NFL football intently in '72.

For one season...it's really hard to say who was the best team, but the most dominating team I've ever seen play your '85 Bears...it was like getting in the ring with Tyson.

 

[Broncos6482]

This is totally subjective because of the different eras, but I'm in the camp of the '07 NE team not being the best ever...that can't be possible imo if you did not win the champion defining game....and I started watching NFL football intently in '72.

For one season...it's really hard to say who was the best team, but the most dominating team I've ever seen play your '85 Bears...it was like getting in the ring with Tyson.

Exactly. If you didn't win the championship, you weren't the best team that season, so you can't possibly be the best team ever.

 

[Morpheus]

Easy the greatest show on turf. Greatest offense in NFL history

Which is about to get eclipsed.

 

[The Derski]

Probably our 15-1 team. Yes we choked. I know. 15-1 is still 15-1.

 

[Morpheus]

why are the 89 niners better than the 07 pats other than winning the sb? its what you do leading up to the sb that determines wether you are the greatest team or not. not just the last game. a 9-7 wildcard team can win the last game. so tell me why the 89 niners are better than the 07 pats.

What an absolute crock of BS. It's not JUST what you do leading up to the SB. If you fail to win the SB, it really takes some of the shine off of what you accomplished that season.

Case in point. The AFC East was a floor mat for the Patriots that year. And the Redskins, Bengals and Browns were hardly a challenge in 2007.

Yes, you can only play the teams on your schedule. Yes, every team that has a great year gets a few cupcake opponents along the way.

But the 2007 Patriots had 6 division games that all they had to do was show up and not crap the bed to win.

Now losing the Superbowl to the Giants does not take too much away from their regular season accomplishment of going undefeated, but none the less,
IT DOES TAKE SOMETHING AWAY.

And when you look at it in that context, if they were the greatest Patriots team of all time, then they should have finished.

But they didn't.

 

[Morpheus]

Why were the 9er's better, assuming we mesh era's?

1. Competition: The first point I will attack is the competition. The NFC era from 1984 - 2005, if my memory serves, never lost a SB. It was dominant. G-Men, Bears, Skins, Boys, 9ers. Even the Eagles and Saints had some of the best D's you'll find. The 1989 9er's had tougher competition than the 2007 Pats. Edge to SF.

2. Roster: I will take Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Brent Jones over a very talented '07 Pat team, no disrespect. Tom Brady, Randy Moss and Wes Welker were a formidable trio. But let's keep it real. That doesn't match the '89 Niners. Where is the Pat's running game? TE? Edge to SF.

The Defense is close to a push. Both ran 3-4's. Both had an enforcer in the secondary with Lott vs Harrison. 9er's Haley and Holt could get after the passer and we saw what happened to Brady when pressured. I like the Pats' LB's. Secondaries are a toss up. Edge = Push

3. End of Season: I thought the Pats were leaking oil far before the SB and the engine just happened to seize at an inopportune time. 3 of the final 6 games were decided by 3 pts. We all remember the backup Eagle QB, name escapes me, hang a 28 spot on the Pats. It didn't get better.
The playoff games were unimpressive vs competition that doesn't even touch the 1989 9er's, doesn't touch. Jags / SD / Giants? C'mon, man... Won the first two by a total of 20 points and then lose the SB. The 9er's blasted their opponents by 100 pts in the 3 games inc the SB = Edge 49er's.

4. Stats: Both teams were #1 in both yds and pts Offense. Similar D with #3/#4 for 9ers and 4/4 for Pats. See # 1 above.

5. SB: 49ers won 55-10. Pats lost 17-14 ...

You tell me who is the better squad.





Hopefully, I just did...

Great post.

 

[Morpheus]

and both of you revert to the sb game. yes winning the sb game trumps everything. any team that wins the sb is the greatest team in history. im not saying the pats were clearly better, its extremely close. im just saying the sb game dont matter.

This is pointless. You are suffering from the most debilitating case of homerism I think i have ever seen.

 

[Midnightangel]

I gotta agree here..........Just cause the Pats lost in the SB,does not mean they were NOT the greatest team ever.

Its tough to win a few games in a row,less try to win what 18-19 in a row and the win the SB.......shit,if NE had lost during the regular season to the Giants,we`d all be calling it "An any given Sunday" win.

i`ve been watching the NFL since 1975,and i have to say the 07` Pats team was probably the greatest I have ever seen.Whether they lost or not.
and this includes my team the 85 bears,which I had always thought of as the greatest.

Actually, it does.

If they didn't win the Lombardi it means they weren't the greatest team THAT YEAR.

The team that hoists the Lombardi is the best team of the year. It's that simple. Don't over think it.

The Giants won the SB that year, so if the Pats weren't even the best team that year, how can they be the best team EVER?

The '85 Bears you could make a case for since they won the Lombardi that year, ironically over the Pats whom we were just discussing.

They were the inverse of the '07 Pats. The Pats that year were all offense and no defense. The '85 Bears were all defense and no offense. ]

Now, if the '07 had won the SB then there would be no doubt or argument that they'd be the best ever at 19-0. That kinda trumps everything.

There is a HUGE difference between 18-1 and 19-0.

Undefeated is undefeated. Oh how the Patriots and their fans have to hate the '72 Dolphins.