The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[dtgold88]

Franchise Stability is huge for team dynasty success. Think Lakers/Celtics, Spurs, Warriors, Bulls, even Patriots if you want to go NFL.

Now let’s compare MJ to Lebron as far as who benefitted from it more. Both Start with constant change, but Compare these careers:

Jordan: From Year 5 (1989) to his second retirement from the Bulls, he had one coach, one GM, and one owner.

Lebron had 4 coaches, 2 GM’s, and an ownership change in Cleveland in just his first 7 years. He goes to Miami with a rookie coach Spelstra under a self-installed rookie GM in Pat Riley. He comes back to Cleveland to a rookie European Coach in David Blatt under a different GM than when he left. Blatt is out by the next year for Ty Lue who is rookie coach. He goes to the Lakers under young coach Luke Walton only for tons of drama to explode as president of basketball operations Magic Johnson resigns saying he was backstabbed by GM Rob Pelinka. Walton is ousted from Head coach for Frank Vogul, and then rookie coach Darvin Ham is brought in.

MJ: 4 coaches, 2 GM’s (his rookie year was Rob Thorn, all others were Krause), and 1 Owner. If you want to add his Wizards swan song you can, but they were never a contender.

Lebron: 10 Coaches, 5 GM’s, 4 owners

IMO, it’s impressive a player with so much change was able to achieve so much success with so many different variables and versions.

Very good points.....though don't think I'd include the 5 GMs and 4 owners to prove instability for Lebron as considering it's 3 teams and 20+ seasons that's pretty stable.

 

[Jordan23]

Lebron got to a Finals without any of those guys and even won Finals games without any of them.

MJ never even won a playoff series without Pippen.

More facts to ignore for the true nuthuggers.

And once again, the same idiotic posting. Do you ever post anything that’s not half retarded?

 

[Jordan23]

Franchise Stability is huge for team dynasty success. Think Lakers/Celtics, Spurs, Warriors, Bulls, even Patriots if you want to go NFL.

Now let’s compare MJ to Lebron as far as who benefitted from it more. Both Start with constant change, but Compare these careers:

Jordan: From Year 5 (1989) to his second retirement from the Bulls, he had one coach, one GM, and one owner.

Lebron had 4 coaches, 2 GM’s, and an ownership change in Cleveland in just his first 7 years. He goes to Miami with a rookie coach Spelstra under a self-installed rookie GM in Pat Riley. He comes back to Cleveland to a rookie European Coach in David Blatt under a different GM than when he left. Blatt is out by the next year for Ty Lue who is rookie coach. He goes to the Lakers under young coach Luke Walton only for tons of drama to explode as president of basketball operations Magic Johnson resigns saying he was backstabbed by GM Rob Pelinka. Walton is ousted from Head coach for Frank Vogul, and then rookie coach Darvin Ham is brought in.

MJ: 4 coaches, 2 GM’s (his rookie year was Rob Thorn, all others were Krause), and 1 Owner. If you want to add his Wizards swan song you can, but they were never a contender.

Lebron: 10 Coaches, 5 GM’s, 4 owners

IMO, it’s impressive a player with so much change was able to achieve so much success with so many different variables and versions.

Lebron is the reason for half of those changes, lol.

 

[tlance]

Lebron is the reason for half of those changes, lol.

No, he wasn’t.

 

[trojanfan12]

Some days I am not sure which is funnier.

The desperation of LeBron fans to prove he's the GOAT.

Or the desperation of LeBron Haters to prove it's anyone else but.

Perhaps you can link the post where anyone tried to prove or even claimed that Lebron is the GOAT?

Because all that I have seen are folks stating that he has a case while either stating that MJ is the GOAT or not designating a GOAT and saying that MJ, Lebron and Kareem all have strong cases.

The MJ deep throaters are the ones stating that he is the GOAT and that "it's not close".