Best team your club ever had.

[briz almighty]

I've answered and refuted your . Why not answer a paramount question.

How old are you? I'm sure that's one question you shouldn't be with because
you're obviously confused with this topic.

You have a horse in this race. You are going to extremes to protect them. I have no
horse in the race. In fact, the 9er's are our rivals. Yet, I'm keeping it real here.

9ers didnt go undefeated and have every team playing their sb at the end of the season trying to knock them off. yes even scrub teams. if the 9ers were undefeated their end of the schedule wouldnt look so pretty either, pats had to deal with every team trying their hardest to beat them. they beat EVERYONE giving their best. its going to be more difficult when teams are trying to knock you from undefeated status. but the 9ers wouldnt know that because they werent dominant enough to experience that. what the pats did was insane.


you still have yet to prove why the 89 niners are better than the 07 pats other than throwing out you opinion on who has better rosters. thats why im lol'ing.

 

[Itsmytime]

Ugh...

I think it's time to let go of this losing battle. lol

 

[RoboticDreams]

I think it's time to let go of this losing battle. lol

Lol, I think you're right.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

9ers didnt go undefeated and have every team playing their sb at the end of the season trying to knock them off. yes even scrub teams. if the 9ers were undefeated their end of the schedule wouldnt look so pretty either, pats had to deal with every team trying their hardest to beat them. they beat EVERYONE giving their best. its going to be more difficult when teams are trying to knock you from undefeated status. but the 9ers wouldnt know that because they werent dominant enough to experience that. what the pats did was insane.


you still have yet to prove why the 89 niners are better than the 07 pats other than throwing out you opinion on who has better rosters. thats why im lol'ing.

let me get this straight. we all just have opinions, but you have hard facts of the other teams tried harder against the Pats then they did against the Niners? Oh & the one more win the pats had in the season is the difference maker. Ask Brady which record he would prefer. 17-2 & superbowl champs or 18-1 & losers!

you know. Never mind. It makes me Nauseous, defending the Niners. You obviously cant see past your Homer glasses. So either way it doesn't make sense for me to continue.

 

[briz almighty]

let me get this straight. we all just have opinions, but you have hard facts of the other teams tried harder against the Pats then they did against the Niners? Oh & the one more win the pats had in the season is the difference maker. Ask Brady which record he would prefer. 17-2 & superbowl champs or 18-1 & losers!

you know. Never mind. It makes me Nauseous, defending the Niners. You obviously cant see past your Homer glasses. So either way it doesn't make sense for me to continue.

if you look at the whole picture other than who wins the last game than yea maybe you'll see which teams were truely great and which were not.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

if you look at the whole picture other than who wins the last game than yea maybe you'll see which teams were truely great and which were not.

it is exactly what I was doing. your hanging your hat on undefeated regular season. you bring up stats where if I remember correctly Belicheck said he doesn't apologize for running up scores. The other teams job to stop them. Which BTW is all true, but padding stats is just that. teams that were broken (in other words not trying harder)
but alas my humble opinion is the Niners team would have beaten the 07' Pats.
Niners did have better opposition as well

 

[Schmoopy1000]

one other thing. the Pats division didn't have a single team even at 500 other than the Pats.
As far as trying harder as you put it. you know when that happens? In the playoffs.
Pats 31-20 Jags
Pats 21-12 SD
then lost 17-14 to the Giants.

now lets look at the less dominate Niners as you put it.

41-13 against the vikes
30-3 against the Rams
55-10 against the Broncos

I completely see why you think the Pats were more dominate.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Just to add my 2 cents.

89 Niners definitely >>> 07 Pats

And I'm not a Niners fan.

Good to love your team Briz, and they were very good, but poll 100 people who are not Niner or Pats fans, and the Niners would win it, hands down, IMO.

 

[briz almighty]

the niners didnt come anywhere close to what the pats did. they were a great team that won the sb. the pats were a far superior team that came up short in the sb. if the pats won the would be the greatest team ever. just because they didnt still dont mean they cant stack up with the best. i dont see any other team for the last 20 years that won the sb have the greatest team ever designation asinged to them. the 89 niners were a great team, but they did nothing special other than be really good and win the sb. the pats already won 3 sbs, they were a dynasty, the 07 pats were on a level no team in history has come close to. you cant disregard what they were because they didnt win the sb.

 

[briz almighty]

it is exactly what I was doing. your hanging your hat on undefeated regular season. you bring up stats where if I remember correctly Belicheck said he doesn't apologize for running up scores. The other teams job to stop them. Which BTW is all true, but padding stats is just that. teams that were broken (in other words not trying harder)
but alas my humble opinion is the Niners team would have beaten the 07' Pats.
Niners did have better opposition as well

i guess we differ on opinion how hard it is to go undefeated in a season in the salary cap era, since no other team has done it.

 

[GreenNickle]

It was before the movie The Dirty Dozen made it into theaters.

Gotta love the Browns

 

[da55bums]

Vikings-1998, even though they sadly lost in the nfc title game.

are you even a fan of the Vikings? You know they went to 4 sb's...'98 may be the 5th best season, at tops that the vikings have had...I grew up in the 70's in minny....sorry but maybe the entire decade was better than most teams since then...defensively 1000 percent and offensively more complete all around. Moss was a better WR and Peterson a better RB but the combo's of Rashad, Foreman and Tark were better than any combo the Viks have ever had.

 

[da55bums]

The Chiefs, since I have been alive anyway is probably the 93 team

 

[soxfan1468927]

and both of you revert to the sb game. yes winning the sb game trumps everything. any team that wins the sb is the greatest team in history. im not saying the pats were clearly better, its extremely close. im just saying the sb game dont matter.

Now you're just purposely being argumentative and acting like a child. No one said that winning the Super Bowl trumps everything. In fact I said flat out that it didn't. Clearly you aren't going to get what anyone is saying if you think the SB doesn't matter.

You talk about how difficult it is to go undefeated, but you remember how lucky the Patriots got in some of those games? Obviously they were one of the greatest teams, but I don't know why you would put more weight on two regular season games over the Super Bowl.

 

[soxfan1468927]

9ers didnt go undefeated and have every team playing their sb at the end of the season trying to knock them off. yes even scrub teams. if the 9ers were undefeated their end of the schedule wouldnt look so pretty either, pats had to deal with every team trying their hardest to beat them. they beat EVERYONE giving their best. its going to be more difficult when teams are trying to knock you from undefeated status. but the 9ers wouldnt know that because they werent dominant enough to experience that. what the pats did was insane.


you still have yet to prove why the 89 niners are better than the 07 pats other than throwing out you opinion on who has better rosters. thats why im lol'ing.

Yes the Patriots had to deal with every team trying their hardest to beat them, and they lost. The 49ers had to deal with every team trying their hardest to beat them, and they steamrolled everyone in the playoffs.

 

[soxfan1468927]

are you even a fan of the Vikings? You know they went to 4 sb's...'98 may be the 5th best season, at tops that the vikings have had...I grew up in the 70's in minny....sorry but maybe the entire decade was better than most teams since then...defensively 1000 percent and offensively more complete all around. Moss was a better WR and Peterson a better RB but the combo's of Rashad, Foreman and Tark were better than any combo the Viks have ever had.

Peterson was 13 in 1998...

 

[soxfan1468927]

the niners didnt come anywhere close to what the pats did. they were a great team that won the sb. the pats were a far superior team that came up short in the sb. if the pats won the would be the greatest team ever. just because they didnt still dont mean they cant stack up with the best. i dont see any other team for the last 20 years that won the sb have the greatest team ever designation asinged to them. the 89 niners were a great team, but they did nothing special other than be really good and win the sb. the pats already won 3 sbs, they were a dynasty, the 07 pats were on a level no team in history has come close to. you cant disregard what they were because they didnt win the sb.

When it comes to the discussion of greatest team of all time, I will, can, and should disregard them.

 

[Broncos6482]

thats fair but i dont think any team has dominated like the 07 pats. scoring records, win streeks, salary cap era, undefeated, number of division leaders they beat and eventual sb champs, best coach ever, best qb ever, best wr ever, no sb team can claim they did better except win the last game.

 

[Broncos6482]

Why were the 9er's better, assuming we mesh era's?

1. Competition: The first point I will attack is the competition. The NFC era from 1984 - 2005, if my memory serves, never lost a SB. It was dominant. G-Men, Bears, Skins, Boys, 9ers. Even the Eagles and Saints had some of the best D's you'll find. The 1989 9er's had tougher competition than the 2007 Pats. Edge to SF.

2. Roster: I will take Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Brent Jones over a very talented '07 Pat team, no disrespect. Tom Brady, Randy Moss and Wes Welker were a formidable trio. But let's keep it real. That doesn't match the '89 Niners. Where is the Pat's running game? TE? Edge to SF.

The Defense is close to a push. Both ran 3-4's. Both had an enforcer in the secondary with Lott vs Harrison. 9er's Haley and Holt could get after the passer and we saw what happened to Brady when pressured. I like the Pats' LB's. Secondaries are a toss up. Edge = Push

3. End of Season: I thought the Pats were leaking oil far before the SB and the engine just happened to seize at an inopportune time. 3 of the final 6 games were decided by 3 pts. We all remember the backup Eagle QB, name escapes me, hang a 28 spot on the Pats. It didn't get better.
The playoff games were unimpressive vs competition that doesn't even touch the 1989 9er's, doesn't touch. Jags / SD / Giants? C'mon, man... Won the first two by a total of 20 points and then lose the SB. The 9er's blasted their opponents by 100 pts in the 3 games inc the SB = Edge 49er's.

4. Stats: Both teams were #1 in both yds and pts Offense. Similar D with #3/#4 for 9ers and 4/4 for Pats. See # 1 above.

5. SB: 49ers won 55-10. Pats lost 17-14 ...

You tell me who is the better squad.


competition? you do know its harder to win in the salary cap era than not dont you? thats why they have a salary cap.

both rosters have great players, i dont think it really matters 9er fans will go to their grave claiming montana, rice, walsh etc the best and pats fans will go to their graves claiming belichick, brady, moss the best. im concerened with what they accomplished and as a team. you gave me nothing. pats scored more points, beat more teams, dominated, they clearly had a superior regular season.


9ers
Scored 442 points (27.6/g), 1st of 28 in the NFL.
Allowed 253 points (15.8/g), 3rd.
Differential of 189 points (11.8/g), 1st.


pats
Scored 589 points (36.8/g), 1st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 274 points (17.1/g), 4th.
Differential of 315 points (19.7/g), 1st.



315 point differential even blows this years broncos out the water. the pats SET RECORDS. the pats WENT UNDEFEATED. what did the 9ers do other than being really good?

Stop saying that. They didn't. They went 18-1. They lost the most important game of the year. You can't be the greatest team of all time if you didn't win the Super Bowl, period.

 

[Broncos6482]

To answer the topic of the thread, I'd have to go with the 98 Broncos. 2000 yard rusher, highest scoring offense in team history (until this season), pretty good defense. Most wins in team history, and they were even blowing people out with Bubby Brister subbing for an injured John Elway.

Once they got to the playoffs, they dominated. Of course it's nowhere near 89 Niners level, but 38-3 over the Dolphins, 23-10 over the Jets, and 34-19 over the Falcons is pretty impressive.

Hopefully by the end of the season I can say the 2013 Broncos.