B12 expansion

[oaknightshockey1]

Honestly I'm not sure, but every other Nebraska poster on here should be able to tell you. Nobody keeps up with UT stuff like the husker fans on these boards.

Very true. Paging @HuskerinBig10. I was just wondering how big of a gap there would be between the future B1G TV contract and the current Big 12 + LHN deals.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

what is Texas's revenue when combining the conference payout and the LHN? I don't know that I've seen a number

it is quirky and not always reported exactly.
Texas is guaranteed 15 million, but ESPN is allowed to recover some costs.
Eventually Texas will see it all on the back end.

But, they are actually only getting about 11 million for the time being.
Each year it goes up as the initial costs get covered.

And another 25.6 million from the Big 12.
Texas gets about 36-40 million depending on expenses from the LHN.

But, Texas doesn't even keep that LHN money. They don't really need it.
They give 50% of it back to the academics to keep tuition down. It is extra money that is not needed.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

it is quirky and not always reported exactly.
Texas is guaranteed 15 million, but ESPN is allowed to recover some costs.
Eventually Texas will see it all on the back end.

But, they are actually only getting about 11 million for the time being.
Each year it goes up as the initial costs get covered.

And another 25.6 million from the Big 12.
Texas gets about 36-40 million depending on expenses from the LHN.

But, Texas doesn't even keep that LHN money. They don't really need it.
They give 50% of it back to the academics to keep tuition down. It is extra money that is not needed.

Rumored payouts for the B1G are in the $40-50M range per school I believe, so really the numbers wouldn't be insurmountable IMO.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Rumored payouts for the B1G are in the $40-50M range per school I believe, so really the numbers wouldn't be insurmountable IMO.

Oh if Texas goes anywhere it would probably be the BIG, since the pac is behind in money. Problem is does Texas want to leave all its regional rivals to play Midwest schools?

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Virginia Tech certainly would leave immediately. They have no long standing attachment to the ACC (2004??).
They totally fit the SEC culture as a southern football first big state school.

NC State would be a tougher pull as the Tobacco Road power would block it.
Plus, NC State still feels more like an urban basketball first school....depending on how you view Raleigh.

I don't see the SEC doing anything anytime soon. There is zero rush.

But, when they do.....it wont be Texas or Oklahoma.
It will be the NC and VA regions.

Part of the reason VA Tech got into the ACC to begin with was the Governor at the time (Mark Warner) threatened to pull UVA's funding if they didn't vote them into the ACC. I think that whomever is the Governor at the time that either the B1G or the SEC tried to lure at least a VA school, they'd make sure the other one would have a safe place to land or threaten the same thing.

That depends, the ACC makes the least amount of money, going to the BIG or SEC would be a HUGE monetary jump for any ACC school. In the BIG they could also keep rubbing elbows with other great schools.

I seriously doubt that UNC is going to want to give up all of the power that it currently has though within the ACC. They'd probably try to be the last ones on the ship trying to save it from going down. I think that they'd try to force idiot John Swofford's hand on an ACC Network before anything serious started to happen.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

Oh if Texas goes anywhere it would probably be the BIG, since the pac is behind in money. Problem is does Texas want to leave all its regional rivals to play Midwest schools?

Find a way to ditch OSU and bring OU with ya. That would be great.

 

[Tharvot]

The Big west is the worst division in CFB.

Add OU and UT and it quickly becomes a strong and interesting division.

 

[Codaxx]

From a football standpoint Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC or Big
It would be awesomeness.

That would border on insanity to be honest. You would have 3 teams that are historically top 10. 2 top 5. That isnt including Auburn and LSU, which are in that 10-20. Throw in A&M and ARK which are around 20ish. IF that happened it would be great football, but you would need a AQ bid. Good chance nobody gets out of there without 2 losses.

 

[Tharvot]

That would border on insanity to be honest. You would have 3 teams that are historically top 10. 2 top 5. That isnt including Auburn and LSU, which are in that 10-20. Throw in A&M and ARK which are around 20ish. IF that happened it would be great football, but you would need a AQ bid. Good chance nobody gets out of there without 2 losses.

THey would flip the Alabama schools to the east and Missouri back to the west.

So you'd have UT, OU, A&M, Ark, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St. Decent but actually maybe weaker than the current SEC West lineup.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Question for the Texas posters...what is Texas's revenue when combining the conference payout and the LHN? I don't know that I've seen a number.

Very true. Paging @HuskerinBig10. I was just wondering how big of a gap there would be between the future B1G TV contract and the current Big 12 + LHN deals.

My simple math

May 29, 2015

Big 12’s record per-team payouts still can’t match what the SEC Network has produced

For 2015, for Texas
Conference = $25,600,000

For LHN, since LHN is not profitable the payout is 3% per annum growth, in 2015 the payout was something like $12,750,000. But, (most Texas fans disagree on this), IMG gets 30% of the LHN money that ESPN pays. Call that $3,750,000. Easy math that way.

For 2015, for Texas
Conference Payout = $25,600,000
LHN payout - IMG cut = $9,000,000

$25,600,000 + $9,000,000 = $34,600,000 in Texas pocket.

Due do ESPN not having recovered its costs of approximately $290,000,000 + $40,000,000 in losses = $330,000,000

The LHN will NOT pay Texas $15,000,000 plus until 2021.

The LHN payout will be around $13,135,000 in 2016.(IMG gets a cut of that)

In 2029, ESPN will pay 19,290,000 for the rights to LHN, UNLESS ESPN has recouped their costs.

The big payoff for Texas is if and when the LHN paysoff ESPN, then the LHN gets 70% of the monies. Not looking like this is going to happen though.

 

[Texas Jefe]

From a football standpoint Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC or Big
It would be awesomeness.

yes, I'd be happy with either: if the B1g, we get into the region with Nebraska. If the SEC, the one with A&M...
both hated rivals.

Bring it on.

 

[Texas Jefe]

The Big west is the worst division in CFB.

yes, and Texas would own it.

As you can probably tell from this thread, I've become rather snippy over this whole deal.
I now just want to be located with Huskers or Ags. It would be fun.

 

[Texas Jefe]

Question for the Texas posters...what is Texas's revenue when combining the conference payout and the LHN? I don't know that I've seen a number.

not sure, but bet Codaxx knows.

my guess? about 13 million from LHN currently, about what, 24 million from Tier 1? Just a wild guess.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

I also want to point out that Texas still has another $30,000,000 in rights and licensing coming in. This would be for clothing, shoes, soft drinks, beer, Billy Bob's Bevo Car Wash, Concessions, etc.

 

[Texas Jefe]

My simple math


In 2029, ESPN will pay 19,290,000 for the rights to LHN, UNLESS ESPN has recouped their costs.

The big payoff for Texas is if and when the LHN paysoff ESPN, then the LHN gets 70% of the monies. Not looking like this is going to happen though.

the thing about the LHN is, when Texas starts winning again the interest will go up.

not sure how that will impact the monies, but interest will skyrocket, if 2005-9 are any indication.

 

[Tharvot]

yes, and Texas would own it.

As you can probably tell from this thread, I've become rather snippy over this whole deal.
I now just want to be located with Huskers or Ags. It would be fun.

It would be more difficult than you guys are making it out to be. First off, you'd be in there with OU so there's a pretty major obstacle to begin with. Additionally, Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin aren't slouches. Heck, even Minny has been 1/2 way decent recently.

It would be more difficult to navigate than the old B12 South was, and Texas didn't exactly dominate that one.

 

[Texas Jefe]

It would be more difficult than you guys are making it out to be. First off, you'd be in there with OU so there's a pretty major obstacle to begin with. Additionally, Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin aren't slouches. Heck, even Minny has been 1/2 way decent recently.

It would be more difficult to navigate than the old B12 South was, and Texas didn't exactly dominate that one.

oh I understand that. Just being tired of the whole thing and wanting to go ahead and do something so everybody will shut up about 'big bad Texas this and Big12 imploding/expanding that'

The way I see it, the tougher the better. In football, tougher opponents make you better, or make you cry and run away. Texas will get better, no matter where they end up.

 

[Tharvot]

oh I understand that. Just being tired of the whole thing and wanting to go ahead and do something so everybody will shut up about 'big bad Texas this and Big12 imploding/expanding that'

The way I see it, the tougher the better. In football, tougher opponents make you better, or make you cry and run away. Texas will get better, no matter where they end up.

It would be good football and will be wherever those schools decide to go. I don't see anything happening conference shuffle wise until after 2020 though. The B12 could add some before then, but no one's leaving.

 

[Texas Jefe]

It would be good football and will be wherever those schools decide to go. I don't see anything happening conference shuffle wise until after 2020 though. The B12 could add some before then, but no one's leaving.

probably so. We in the Big12 are going to have to listen to this shit until then.

but that's okay, I dont care really, all that matters to me is Texas beat the teams on their schedule, to hell with the rest.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

So after 23 pages, what have we learned?

That Texas is the Nelson Muntz of College football, and West Virginia is the Milhouse