B12 expansion

[BoiseStateFan27]

My question is with these schools contacting the Big 12,

when are we going to quit playing with our dicks and start pitching to the Big 12 that

1: Our stadium is small right now but we have a plan in place that with better finances which the Big 12 would give us we will expand it to around 50,000.

2. There is a concern with our market yes, Boise isn't as big of a market as Orlando, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati or the Denverish market of Colorado State but unlike those schools we own our market. Houston is a market that is primarily fans of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and LSU, Memphis is dominated mostly by Tennessee, Cincinnati by Ohio State. Along with that Boise State has the biggest national brand of any other school under consideration, even slightly bigger than BYU who mostly is a Mormon market. Having a national brand will allow for a bigger TV deal to be negotiated which is more $$$. Let's face it more people will be interested in Boise State vs TCU, Oklahoma, Baylor and Texas than they will Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Colorado State, Byu and Houston vs said teams. Let's look at a professional example of a successful team in a small market, the Green Bay Packers, they are in the smallest city of any professional team and yet they are one of the best NFL franchises because they are a national brand and they do a fantastic job with their resources.

3. Mentioning that do the research, no program is more successful on a budget than Boise State is.

4. Recent add-ons to the Big 12 and Pac-12 TCU and Utah respectively have often been compared to us when it comes to moving up to a bigger conference. The comparison was mostly made when both programs took their lumps and struggled for a few years. We are deeper than those TCU and Utah teams were when they moved up. We will still take our lumps that's for sure but like TCU and Utah the evidence from our performance on our current budget suggests we will be successful after a few years.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I was ALWAYS on board with the Pac 12 proposal......I'll take road trips to Cali and Arizona all day everyday.......

You'll get tired of those west coast time away games. Sure going to LA and Autzen is nice. But those 10:30 games in Corvallis and Pullman will be a drag.

Just stay in the conference where nearly all your opponents are a car ride away, most oh which have some kind of rivalry with you.

 

[Texas Jefe]

My question is with these schools contacting the Big 12,

when are we going to quit playing with our dicks and start pitching to the Big 12 that

1: Our stadium is small right now but we have a plan in place that with better finances which the Big 12 would give us we will expand it to around 50,000.

2. There is a concern with our market yes, Boise isn't as big of a market as Orlando, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati or the Denverish market of Colorado State but unlike those schools we own our market. Houston is a market that is primarily fans of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and LSU, Memphis is dominated mostly by Tennessee, Cincinnati by Ohio State. Along with that Boise State has the biggest national brand of any other school under consideration, even slightly bigger than BYU who mostly is a Mormon market. Having a national brand will allow for a bigger TV deal to be negotiated which is more $$$. Let's face it more people will be interested in Boise State vs TCU, Oklahoma, Baylor and Texas than they will Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Colorado State, Byu and Houston vs said teams. Let's look at a professional example of a successful team in a small market, the Green Bay Packers, they are in the smallest city of any professional team and yet they are one of the best NFL franchises because they are a national brand and they do a fantastic job with their resources.

3. Mentioning that do the research, no program is more successful on a budget than Boise State is.

4. Recent add-ons to the Big 12 and Pac-12 TCU and Utah respectively have often been compared to us when it comes to moving up to a bigger conference. The comparison was mostly made when both programs took their lumps and struggled for a few years. We are deeper than those TCU and Utah teams were when they moved up. We will still take our lumps that's for sure but like TCU and Utah the evidence from our performance on our current budget suggests we will be successful after a few years.

you make some good points.

As for the stadium, that's exactly what Baylor did after the new/current TV contract came in: they built a brand new stadium, replacing that shit box they had for fifty years. TCU completely re built/re furbished their stadium. Of course it's still empty...

And as for the brand: You're right that Boise St has a national brand, and they play good football.

If they were looking for the best CFB program, with a big CFB name, they'd probably be a shoe in. But I'm afraid, if you look for example at Rutgers and Maryland, that's not what the powers that be in these conferences are looking for... the fans want good teams, the powers want total TV sets, or something like that.

 

[Texas Jefe]

If Espins runs this campaign, they definitely are going to lose even more money by showing how out of touch they are with their customer base...

 

[Wild Turkey]

My question is with these schools contacting the Big 12,

when are we going to quit playing with our dicks and start pitching to the Big 12 that

1: Our stadium is small right now but we have a plan in place that with better finances which the Big 12 would give us we will expand it to around 50,000.

2. There is a concern with our market yes, Boise isn't as big of a market as Orlando, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati or the Denverish market of Colorado State but unlike those schools we own our market. Houston is a market that is primarily fans of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and LSU, Memphis is dominated mostly by Tennessee, Cincinnati by Ohio State. Along with that Boise State has the biggest national brand of any other school under consideration, even slightly bigger than BYU who mostly is a Mormon market. Having a national brand will allow for a bigger TV deal to be negotiated which is more $$$. Let's face it more people will be interested in Boise State vs TCU, Oklahoma, Baylor and Texas than they will Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Colorado State, Byu and Houston vs said teams. Let's look at a professional example of a successful team in a small market, the Green Bay Packers, they are in the smallest city of any professional team and yet they are one of the best NFL franchises because they are a national brand and they do a fantastic job with their resources.

3. Mentioning that do the research, no program is more successful on a budget than Boise State is.

4. Recent add-ons to the Big 12 and Pac-12 TCU and Utah respectively have often been compared to us when it comes to moving up to a bigger conference. The comparison was mostly made when both programs took their lumps and struggled for a few years. We are deeper than those TCU and Utah teams were when they moved up. We will still take our lumps that's for sure but like TCU and Utah the evidence from our performance on our current budget suggests we will be successful after a few years.

It's not about how big a stadium is or how competitive you are its all about the population of your state and how many cable subscribers they can force onto a special package at a higher rate.

Idaho is the 39th largest state with 1.6 million people. You aren't ever going to get into a power 5 conference because of that and the Big 12 has zero reason to expand until they have a conference network and add 2 high population states. That is why a Florida team and Ohio team (Cincinnati) are the only ones that make sense but only if there is a network deal that makes it worth it.

 

[starbigd]

It's not about how big a stadium is or how competitive you are its all about the population of your state and how many cable subscribers they can force onto a special package at a higher rate.

Idaho is the 39th largest state with 1.6 million people. You aren't ever going to get into a power 5 conference because of that and the Big 12 has zero reason to expand until they have a conference network and add 2 high population states. That is why a Florida team and Ohio team (Cincinnati) are the only ones that make sense but only if there is a network deal that makes it worth it.

Exactly. And only two or three schools fit that description that I would wager would be interested - FSU, Miami, and Cincy.....

 

[ericd7633]

I honestly think BYU and Memphis make the most sense for the Big 12. Clemson, FSU etc. just aren't leaving the ACC. Memphis has Fed Ex on their side, and the $$ aspect of the whole thing is pretty significant.

The two divisions:

Texas Tech
Texas
TCU
Baylor
Memphis
BYU

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
WVU
Iowa State

 

[GoldRusher]

Big 12 could have a title game sponsor – if it invites Memphis

Memphis gonna buyout that stupid LHN, watch what I'm tellin ya....

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Big 12 could have a title game sponsor – if it invites Memphis

Memphis gonna buyout that stupid LHN, watch what I'm tellin ya....

Doesn't West Virginia make like 9mil a yr from Tier 3? you ready to piss that away for a big 12 network?

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Forget all these independents and Mountain WAC teams. I gots the perfect solution to the B12's problems:

Invite Vanderbilt.

It's a total win-win-win-win, all the way around.

They'd raise the academic profile of the league, improve the basketball RPI, bring in a great baseball program, expand the conference footprint into SEC territory, and Hammer would stop raggin on the Big Ten, probably because he'd die of shock.

Also, Vandy automatically becomes the odds-on favorite to win whatever division they would enter; they'd be stewpit NOT to take the offer.

I can imagine the stampede of teams champing at the bit to follow the Commodores into the old Southwest: Tennessee and Kentucky immediately come to mind, plus one of the Mississippi schools (likely, the one that's less gay). So the B12 gets a double dip of improving their own conference and weakening the primary geographical rival by taking their best teams.

In fact, the prestige and history of Vanderbilt is so widespread, I can envision other classy, historic, powerhouse schools like Indiana, Illinois, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech would be tempted to jump ship to be a part of this new Super-League. Notre Dame would probably try to horn in, but too late, as the conference swells to 16, 18, 20 schools.

If I'm commissioner what's-his-name, I'm on the phone with Vandy double-quick, before some league like the ACC catches on and invites them first

 

[Codaxx]

The Big 12: Trying to build a conference that ma

Big 12 could have a title game sponsor – if it invites Memphis

Memphis gonna buyout that stupid LHN, watch what I'm tellin ya....

The entire city Memphis is worth less than LHN, so that might be tough

 

[B_dub]

Forget all these independents and Mountain WAC teams. I gots the perfect solution to the B12's problems:

Invite Vanderbilt.

It's a total win-win-win-win, all the way around.

They'd raise the academic profile of the league, improve the basketball RPI, bring in a great baseball program, expand the conference footprint into SEC territory, and Hammer would stop raggin on the Big Ten, probably because he'd die of shock.

Also, Vandy automatically becomes the odds-on favorite to win whatever division they would enter; they'd be stewpit NOT to take the offer.

I can imagine the stampede of teams champing at the bit to follow the Commodores into the old Southwest: Tennessee and Kentucky immediately come to mind, plus one of the Mississippi schools (likely, the one that's less gay). So the B12 gets a double dip of improving their own conference and weakening the primary geographical rival by taking their best teams.

In fact, the prestige and history of Vanderbilt is so widespread, I can envision other classy, historic, powerhouse schools like Indiana, Illinois, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech would be tempted to jump ship to be a part of this new Super-League. Notre Dame would probably try to horn in, but too late, as the conference swells to 16, 18, 20 schools.

If I'm commissioner what's-his-name, I'm on the phone with Vandy double-quick, before some league like the ACC catches on and invites them first

 

[Goldbug]

I have an honest question for the Horns fans because I'm not clear on something. If it came down to either keeping the Big 12 Conference as-is or giving up the LHN to secure a couple of new members, which would you prefer? Let's assume the new members are run-of-the-mill schools like Memphis and Cincinnati (or their equivalents).....not current P5 teams. Which would you choose and why?

 

[Lance Armstrong]

I have an honest question for the Horns fans because I'm not clear on something. If it came down to either keeping the Big 12 Conference as-is or giving up the LHN to secure a couple of new members, which would you prefer? Let's assume the new members are run-of-the-mill schools like Memphis and Cincinnati (or their equivalents).....not current P5 teams. Which would you choose and why?

Clearly keeping the Big 12 as is. Why give up a network to make less money, then we have to give up more of the Big 12 pie for these bottom feeder schools? I don't mind adding two schools and trying to grow them, but giving up the LHN to do so is just flat out dumb. Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Kansas would all be taking significant tier 3 pay cuts with a big 12 network.

 

[Codaxx]

I have an honest question for the Horns fans because I'm not clear on something. If it came down to either keeping the Big 12 Conference as-is or giving up the LHN to secure a couple of new members, which would you prefer? Let's assume the new members are run-of-the-mill schools like Memphis and Cincinnati (or their equivalents).....not current P5 teams. Which would you choose and why?

Not sure there is a real choice here. If you said add Arizona and ASU, than there maybe something to think about.. Again I think this is all nonsense.
1. Multiple Big 12 schools have tier 3 deals that would require working out of contracts, so LHN is only 1 of many contracts that need to be broken.
2. I do not think the Big 12 can get big money for a network.
3. I see no reason to accept lesser money for the right to play Cincy and Memphis more and Baylor less.

 

[Goldbug]

Clearly keeping the Big 12 as is. Why give up a network to make less money, then we have to give up more of the Big 12 pie for these bottom feeder schools? I don't mind adding two schools and trying to grow them, but giving up the LHN to do so is just flat out dumb. Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Kansas would all be taking significant tier 3 pay cuts with a big 12 network.

OK, that makes sense. But what if staying right where the conference is now would increase the chances of it breaking up in the future? Would that be a factor to consider?

 

[Goldbug]

Not sure there is a real choice here. If you said add Arizona and ASU, than there maybe something to think about.. Again I think this is all nonsense.
1. Multiple Big 12 schools have tier 3 deals that would require working out of contracts, so LHN is only 1 of many contracts that need to be broken.
2. I do not think the Big 12 can get big money for a network.
3. I see no reason to accept lesser money for the right to play Cincy and Memphis more and Baylor less.

It's a tough choice but I have a hunch it's the choice we are all going to have to make.

 

[Codaxx]

It's a tough choice but I have a hunch it's the choice we are all going to have to make.

I dont see why. I just see negatives in this scenario. What's the positive?

 

[Wild Turkey]

The Big 12: Trying to build a conference that ma


The entire city Memphis is worth less than LHN, so that might be tough

Nashville is awesome but there is something not right about Memphis...not a fan.

 

[Goldbug]

I dont see why. I just see negatives in this scenario. What's the positive?

I honestly don't see any positives for Texas. But you guys are in the cat bird's seat. You're richer than Midas, you have the pick of the litter in recruiting and your football program is strong in spite of being mismanaged. Plus, the rest of your sports are strong and your academic standing is already very good. The rest of us are at various levels below your status except for Oklahoma which can match you and probably even exceeds Texas overall with our football program.....but we are behind you in many other categories. The trick is to see the problems we all face through the eyes of each school, both short term and long term. I think the little guys need to see things from Texas' perspective as much as you need to see things from other schools' perspective.