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When the pink-haired barista messes up your Venti non-fat soy latte with extra foam, extra hot, double sleeve, no cup....

WTF, is that really the name of a cup of coffee these days?
 

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Think it is official Garrett is good as gone.


I guess the Browns organization just doesn't get it. Garrett doesn't care to be the highest paid at his age as he wants to win. Any contending team, with a real QB, that brings him in will become a Super Bowl favorite. They really can get a kings ransom for him.

The Steelers should take note on this situation with TJ Watt.
 

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Think it is official Garrett is good as gone.


I guess the Browns organization just doesn't get it. Garrett doesn't care to be the highest paid at his age as he wants to win. Any contending team, with a real QB, that brings him in will become a Super Bowl favorite. They really can get a kings ransom for him.

The Steelers should take note on this situation with TJ Watt.

Expecting the Browns to eat 30 million in dead cap is a non starter imo.
 

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Expecting the Browns to eat 30 million in dead cap is a non starter imo.
That is a tough pill to swallow but in the end unfortunately for the team Garrett could just walk away and they get nothing in return.
 

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But Browns fans were tellin me drafting Shadeur Sanders was going to change his mind?
 

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But Browns fans were tellin me drafting Shadeur Sanders was going to change his mind?
That guy is nowhere near good enough to do that...

I like Sanders' potential, but I'm not sold that he's a "Franchise" QB...I think he can be better than Williams was this year, but that's because I think Sanders has a better head on his shoulders. However, his arm, while good enough, is just OK. 70% of his passes were 3 yards or less, and when you look at his WR corps, it was stacked. The bulk of his yards actually come via WR's making big plays or through broken plays where he can move around and the WR's get open downfield. But, to sit in the pocket, process a defense, and make accurate throws...I'm not sold. He wasn't asked to do it hardly at all in Colorado, and in the NFL - even a mobile QB has to be able to read a defense and make pocket throws. No coincidence that LJ's best season as a QB came when he elevated his passing game in the pocket.
 

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That guy is nowhere near good enough to do that...

I like Sanders' potential, but I'm not sold that he's a "Franchise" QB...I think he can be better than Williams was this year, but that's because I think Sanders has a better head on his shoulders. However, his arm, while good enough, is just OK. 70% of his passes were 3 yards or less, and when you look at his WR corps, it was stacked. The bulk of his yards actually come via WR's making big plays or through broken plays where he can move around and the WR's get open downfield. But, to sit in the pocket, process a defense, and make accurate throws...I'm not sold. He wasn't asked to do it hardly at all in Colorado, and in the NFL - even a mobile QB has to be able to read a defense and make pocket throws. No coincidence that LJ's best season as a QB came when he elevated his passing game in the pocket.
Agreed. I'm not sold on Sanders. You seem to be even more optimistic than I am. I think he has the athleticism, but the above the neck skills just aren't there.
 

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I think the lofty expectations on Sanders are a product of his father... It's setting him up for failure if a team drafts him to play hero ball.

I've been wrong plenty. But I just don't see him having the same success as Jayden Daniels.
 
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I think the lofty expectations on Sanders are a product of his father... It's setting him up for failure if a team drafts him to play hero ball.

I've been wrong plenty. But I just don't see him having the same success as Jayden Daniels.
Agreed - and I don't think they are anywhere close to the same QB. Daniels, for all his athleticism, did a fine job when in the pocket. Sanders has a TON to prove...I think he could be a decent QB, mid-tier guy, but it would mean going to a team that is going to completely structure an offense to what he can do - and I'm not sure that at the NFL level, that's going to work.

Personally, I wouldn't take him in this draft. If you need a QB, I'd go Ward. Outside of that...use that 1st round pick somewhere else, find a veteran F/A for a year, or two, build up around the QB so that when the team is ready - you can either go get a QB in F/A, trade, or draft...whatever...but too many teams just take a QB because they need one that draft - and we see how that works out far more often than not...
 

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Agreed - and I don't think they are anywhere close to the same QB. Daniels, for all his athleticism, did a fine job when in the pocket. Sanders has a TON to prove...I think he could be a decent QB, mid-tier guy, but it would mean going to a team that is going to completely structure an offense to what he can do - and I'm not sure that at the NFL level, that's going to work.

Personally, I wouldn't take him in this draft. If you need a QB, I'd go Ward. Outside of that...use that 1st round pick somewhere else, find a veteran F/A for a year, or two, build up around the QB so that when the team is ready - you can either go get a QB in F/A, trade, or draft...whatever...but too many teams just take a QB because they need one that draft - and we see how that works out far more often than not...
Ward & Howard are the only QBs with upside that look worthy of investing into some development years.

Sanders... I think he is going to need at least 1 year as a backup before he's mentally ready. Once he's removed out from underneath his father's thumb he's going to have a lot of pressure on him. His father maintained a certain level of image for his son even after very poor performances. And the skills transition from college to pro are going to be a lot bigger than they appear.

Could say similar things about Travis Hunter. The luster from these Deion Sanders disciples will wear off soon enough.
 
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