AD will not sign extension and has requested a trade.

[bksballer89]

My kind of petty

 

[WiggyRuss]

Sports
Rumor: Gregg Popovich cautioned Dell Demps about trading Anthony Davis to Lakers
Dan Feldman,NBC Sports 6 hours ago

The rumor: The Spurs refused to trade Kawhi Leonard to a Western Conference team, especially the Lakers.

The facts: Spurs president-coach Gregg Popovich vigorously criticized the perceived meager package the Lakers sent the Grizzlies for Pau Gasol in 2008. San Antonio dealt Leonard to the Raptors, an Eastern Conference team.

So, whether or not Popovich’s grudge against the Lakers is as significant as some believe, that perception at least fits reality.

In that backdrop comes a rumor about Popovich talking to Pelicans general manager Dell Demps, a former Spurs executive. Demps of course is now tasked with handling Davis’ trade request and reported desire to join the Lakers.

Stephen A. Smith on ESPN, as transcribed by Jeff Garcia of News 4 San Antonio:


“I’ve been told that one of the people that Dell Demps has communicated with is Gregg Popovich. Not for trade talks or anything but a guy like Gregg Popovich has said, ‘Don’t cave to the Los Angeles Lakers.'”


In other words like we did it for Kawhi Leonard.


Don’t think for one second you have to be compelled to mo

 

[WiggyRuss]

My kind of petty

why wouldnt they?

Rich Paul and LeBron are panicking sitting in the 9 seed and needed to try and shake the tree.

Think of how selfish you have to be as a player to come out in the middle of the season when you are going into games with your teammates and to do what Davis just did. Think of how disruptful that is to teammates and an organization to do this right in the middle of a season- when you still have AT LEAST 18 months still on your contract. To not even have the decency to wait until the season was over.

Its pretty scummy if you ask me.

Its rather transparent as well.

 

[flyerhawk]

why wouldnt they?

Rich Paul and LeBron are panicking sitting in the 9 seed and needed to try and shake the tree.

Think of how selfish you have to be as a player to come out in the middle of the season when you are going into games with your teammates and to do what Davis just did. Think of how disruptful that is to teammates and an organization to do this right in the middle of a season- when you still have AT LEAST 18 months still on your contract. To not even have the decency to wait until the season was over.

Its pretty scummy if you ask me.

Its rather transparent as well.

If AD's team leaked this news, it was a pretty shitty thing to do.

 

[evilone]

Raptors going to get him if anyone does pre deadline. No one else has a package that comes close. Boston can compete in the off season or if they are willing to trade Kyrie.

 

[Gman]

Raptors going to get him if anyone does pre deadline. No one else has a package that comes close. Boston can compete in the off season or if they are willing to trade Kyrie.

What kind of draft picks can the Rap's offer?

 

[evilone]

What kind of draft picks can the Rap's offer?

Siakam Jonas or Ibaka whichever they prefer and Wright or OG as well as picks which could be quite good if they don't wind up resigning AD and Kawhi.

There are quite a few options to make it work. Pascals value is very high. He already beat the Pelicans in the preseason as the Raptors feature player playing against AD and and a complete Pelicans squad sitting no one. Raptors sat most of their starters. He also fits seamlessly as a glue guy as he is an elite defender capable of defending 1 to 4 and some 5s.

Ibaka and Jonas both playing great too. Fit well with Siakam.

 

[Gman]

Siakam Jonas or Ibaka whichever they prefer and Wright or OG as well as picks which could be quite good if they don't wind up resigning AD and Kawhi.

There are quite a few options to make it work. Pascals value is very high. He already beat the Pelicans in the preseason as the Raptors feature player playing against AD and and a complete Pelicans squad sitting no one. Raptors sat most of their starters. He also fits seamlessly as a glue guy as he is an elite defender capable of defending 1 to 4 and some 5s.

Ibaka and Jonas both playing great too. Fit well with Siakam.

No offense... but what you describe isn't a great package for a full rebuilding team.

Jonas or Ibaka has relatively little value to a team at the bottom. Not sure the Pel's would be interested in "hoping that AD and Kawhi don't resign in Toronto", either... why rush into a trade now on such a hope when they can get a much better bidding war and much better picks later?

 

[OutlawImmortal]

My kind of petty

When he comes back from injury are they just going to go back to the old one? Weird thing to do since they're currently saying they're going to hang onto him.

 

[trojanfan12]

It seemed implied since "so many teams can offer more than the Lakers".

To be fair, saying other teams assets have more value, doesn't mean the Lakers assets have no value.

For the sake of argument, let's say that the young players the Lakers offered up were of equal value to what the Celtics offered.

The draft picks the Celtics can offer are likely to be better than the picks the Lakers can offer and they can offer more of them.

So, the Celtics can still make a better offer.

That's why these rumors about AD not wanting to play in Boston are out there. Rich Paul knows that the Celtics (and probably a couple of other teams) can beat whatever the Lakers offer so he's trying to depress the market.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

No offense... but what you describe isn't a great package for a full rebuilding team.

Jonas or Ibaka has relatively little value to a team at the bottom. Not sure the Pel's would be interested in "hoping that AD and Kawhi don't resign in Toronto", either... why rush into a trade now on such a hope when they can get a much better bidding war and much better picks later?

Fair, and true, enough.

But why the hell is Danny Ainge trading all those assets this summer for a player who is making quite clear that he doesn't want to stay in Boston long-term? It would make sense if Boston was 100% keeping Kyrie and wanted to make a 1 year run at a title and hope they can convince AD to keep the band together but Kyrie may very well be gone by then. That's a risk for the Pelicans too.

The idea that waiting until the summer maximizes potential returns isn't a certainty. There's a very real possibility that it actually would diminish the number of suitors available to deal with.

 

[Gman]

But why the hell is Danny Ainge trading all those assets this summer for a player who is making quite clear that he doesn't want to stay in Boston long-term?

No, AD hasn't made that quite clear.

There has been a lot of wild speculation on this front, usually from unnamed "sources"...

... of course, that's not the same thing at all.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

No, AD hasn't made that quite clear.

There has been a lot of wild speculation on this front, usually from unnamed "sources"...

... of course, that's not the same thing at
all.

Okay, let's assume then that Rich Paul isn't doing everything behind the scenes to get AD to LAL and that he's still up for grabs to the right team.

You're still not 100% that Kyrie is staying. There is as much uncertainty there as there is with AD wanting LA and only LA.

So once again, if you're the Pelicans, why are you throwing all your eggs into the "Celtics will blow us away" basket? Is there not a better chance that a team will pay more today to get AD for 2 playoff runs? The best the Spurs could get for Kawhi in pretty much the same scenario was a B-level "star" pushing 30 and a big whose best-case projected to be a good bench piece. You don't think someone could beat that today in order to get AD for two playoff runs?

 

[Gman]

Okay, let's assume then that Rich Paul isn't doing everything behind the scenes to get AD to LAL and that he's still up for grabs to the right team.

You're still not 100% that Kyrie is staying. There is as much uncertainty there as there is with AD wanting LA and only LA.

I think the Celtics organization is pretty confident that Kyrie will resign.

I think all the wild speculation out there... especially now during silly season... has the average NBA fan a lot more uncertain on this front.

I could be wrong, of course. Just my take.

So once again, if you're the Pelicans, why are you throwing all your eggs into the "Celtics will blow us away" basket? Is there not a better chance that a team will pay more today to get AD for 2 playoff runs? The best the Spurs could get for Kawhi in pretty much the same scenario was a B-level "star" pushing 30 and a big whose best-case projected to be a good bench piece. You don't think someone could beat that today in order to get AD for two playoff runs?

The Celtics are only one aspect of this scenario, albeit a notable one.

Overall, it comes down to this:

• the bidding war for AD is likely to be better in the summer than it is now, irregardless of any specific team
• N.O. loses nothing by waiting. The Lakers would throw the kitchen sink at AD just the same in the summer as they would now

 

[flyerhawk]

Okay, let's assume then that Rich Paul isn't doing everything behind the scenes to get AD to LAL and that he's still up for grabs to the right team.

You're still not 100% that Kyrie is staying. There is as much uncertainty there as there is with AD wanting LA and only LA.

So once again, if you're the Pelicans, why are you throwing all your eggs into the "Celtics will blow us away" basket? Is there not a better chance that a team will pay more today to get AD for 2 playoff runs? The best the Spurs could get for Kawhi in pretty much the same scenario was a B-level "star" pushing 30 and a big whose best-case projected to be a good bench piece. You don't think someone could beat that today in order to get AD for two playoff runs?

It is hard to imagine a scenario where the Pelicans won't get better offers for AD in the offseason.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

• the bidding war for AD is likely to be better in the summer than it is now, irregardless of any specific team
• N.O. loses nothing by waiting. The Lakers would throw the kitchen sink at AD just the same in the summer as they would now

1) But why? What evidence is there to support that when another star player in a very similar situation was traded for much less than what people are throwing out there for AD just over 6 months ago?

2) This is assuming the Lakers would put together the best package today. Why is that the assumption?

It is hard to imagine a scenario where the Pelicans won't get better offers for AD in the offseason.

Wouldn't the team who wants him for two playoff runs be putting up their best package today rather than 6 months from now?

What's the logic in paying more for less later?

 

[Gman]

1) But why? What evidence is there to support that when another star player in a very similar situation was traded for much less than what people are throwing out there for AD just over 6 months ago?

It's common sense, I guess... more teams are gonna be in the bidding pool during the offseason... notably, the Celtics who can theoretically make the best offer.

2) This is assuming the Lakers would put together the best package today. Why is that the assumption?

I don't follow you here.

Magic Johnson would push his mother in front of a bus if it meant L.A. gets AD... that's true in the summer same as it's true now.

 

[Gman]

What's the logic in paying more for less later?

AD is a top 5, maybe top 3, maybe top 1 player...

... he has super immense value to a bonafide team... that doesn't change 6 months from now.

Team has to be a championship contender, of course... that would be the only caveat.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Siakam Jonas or Ibaka whichever they prefer and Wright or OG as well as picks which could be quite good if they don't wind up resigning AD and Kawhi.

There are quite a few options to make it work. Pascals value is very high. He already beat the Pelicans in the preseason as the Raptors feature player playing against AD and and a complete Pelicans squad sitting no one. Raptors sat most of their starters. He also fits seamlessly as a glue guy as he is an elite defender capable of defending 1 to 4 and some 5s.

Ibaka and Jonas both playing great too. Fit well with Siakam.

Not a very attractive offer

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It's common sense, I guess... more teams are gonna be in the bidding pool during the offseason... notably, the Celtics who can theoretically make the best offer.

Once again, you're gambling that the Celtics will be in a position to do so. If they lose Kyrie, there's no chance they're moving major assets for AD just to potentially lose him too in a year.

I don't follow you here.

Magic Johnson would push his mother in front of a bus if it meant L.A. gets AD... that's true in the summer same as it's true now.

The point I'm making is that I don't think LA is capable of giving them the best package either today or in the summer. It's not like Magic can go offer a 20% stake in his movie theatres in a trade for AD lol