Active HOFers?

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Looking more and more like Pedroia's done.

Overall career numbers:

.299/.365/.439, 113 OPS+, 138 stolen bases (caught 46 times), 51.7 WAR in 6777 PA (5.0 WAR per 650 PA)

Good peak, but just too many injuries and too short of a career IMO. He had two seasons where he was playing very well (2010 and 2015) and failed to play over 100 games. He went down early in 2010 after fouling a ball off his foot against the Rockies and went down with a foot fracture (he was having one of the best seasons of his career, putting up a 127 OPS+ and putting up the best power numbers of his career).

Kinsler's pretty similar though he was a much better baserunner (defense is probably a wash, they were two of the best of the last 15 years). Pedroia was a better hitter. Kinsler has a better case with more longevity, but I think he falls just short.

Second Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[Rod Freakin' Dangerfield]

Those that if they retired today, or if they just need to make it to the 10 year career mark who will make the HOF.

Albert Pujols
Miguel Cabrera
Adrian Beltre
Justin Verlander
Clayton Kershaw
Max Scherzer
Mike Trout

Maybe:

Chase Utley
Yadier Molina

Missing anyone?

Kevin Gausman

 

[navamind]

Kevin Gausman

Matt Wieters. He's Joe Mauer with power!!!

 

[PolarVortex]

Looking more and more like Pedroia's done.

Overall career numbers:

.299/.365/.439, 113 OPS+, 138 stolen bases (caught 46 times), 51.7 WAR in 6777 PA (5.0 WAR per 650 PA)

Good peak, but just too many injuries and too short of a career IMO. He had two seasons where he was playing very well (2010 and 2015) and failed to play over 100 games. He went down early in 2010 after fouling a ball off his foot against the Rockies and went down with a foot fracture (he was having one of the best seasons of his career, putting up a 127 OPS+ and putting up the best power numbers of his career).

Kinsler's pretty similar though he was a much better baserunner (defense is probably a wash, they were two of the best of the last 15 years). Pedroia was a better hitter. Kinsler has a better case with more longevity, but I think he falls just short.

Second Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com

Normally, his overall body of work would not be enough but there are several Red Sox players in the Hall who wouldn't be there if they had played for 26 or 27 other franchises.

 

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Longoria's career thus far:

.267/.335/.474, 121 OPS+, 119 wRC+, 297 home runs, 1015 RBI, 54.2 bWAR, 51.1 fWAR in 7171 PA

not a lot of accolades (3 GGs, 3 All-Star appearances, 6 years with MVP votes but only three top 10 finishes (never finished higher than 6th)), but quite good stats and could go down as one of the better defensive 3rd basemen of all-time. his bat has been pretty meh the last few years though. probably not a HOFer, but he certainly looked like one for a while IMO.

 

[Cedrique]

Longoria's career thus far:

.267/.335/.474, 121 OPS+, 119 wRC+, 297 home runs, 1015 RBI, 54.2 bWAR, 51.1 fWAR in 7171 PA

not a lot of accolades (3 GGs, 3 All-Star appearances, 6 years with MVP votes but only three top 10 finishes (never finished higher than 6th)), but quite good stats and could go down as one of the better defensive 3rd basemen of all-time. his bat has been pretty meh the last few years though. probably not a HOFer, but he certainly looked like one for a while IMO.

It looks like San Francisco is hurting his offensive numbers. He's one of those classic right handed hitters that hits better against lefties. Good power but not pure home run power. That profile doesn't seem to do well in SF. His home road splits the last 2 years have showed that. He needs to go to Camden Yards for a couple years and bang out some more home runs.

 

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Ten Position Players Who Have Most Helped Their Hall of Fame Cases in 2021

Between JAWS gains, traditional milestones, and renewed health, these mid- and late-career players have helped themselves the most.

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Don't think Altuve, Correa and Stanton are quite HOFers. Stanton has the rate stats but he's missed a lot of games to injuries over his career. I think the rest have a good chance of making it. Miggy's felt a lock for a long time.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Salvador Perez

 

[Cedrique]

Ten Position Players Who Have Most Helped Their Hall of Fame Cases in 2021

Between JAWS gains, traditional milestones, and renewed health, these mid- and late-career players have helped themselves the most.

blogs.fangraphs.com

Don't think Altuve, Correa and Stanton are quite HOFers. Stanton has the rate stats but he's missed a lot of games to injuries over his career. I think the rest have a good chance of making it. Miggy's felt a lock for a long time.

Yeah Miggy was a lock at least 3 or 4 years ago. Albert Pujols too. But it's been kind of painful to watch those 2 limp to the finish line.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yeah Miggy was a lock at least 3 or 4 years ago. Albert Pujols too. But it's been kind of painful to watch those 2 limp to the finish line.

It’s more painful to watch miggy limp to the finish line. At least pujols is limping to get a farewell World Series championship.

 

[Cedrique]

It’s more painful to watch miggy limp to the finish line. At least pujols is limping to get a farewell World Series championship.

yeah Miggy's got 2 more years guaranteed, with an option for 2 more (provided he finishes in the top 10 in MVP voting which seems like a huge stretch).

 

[navamind]

Salvador Perez

I was very surprised to see Fangraphs WAR (14.3) so bearish on him. If anything, I was expecting it to be much higher than BB-Ref's WAR (28.6) like it is with Molina (bWAR has him at 41.7 while fWAR has him at 55.2).

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I was very surprised to see Fangraphs WAR (14.3) so bearish on him. If anything, I was expecting it to be much higher than BB-Ref's WAR (28.6) like it is with Molina (bWAR has him at 41.7 while fWAR has him at 55.2).

Framing has really messed up the catcher discourse in unhealthy ways from a fandom perspective, imo. More fodder for roboumps as I see it.

Perez has a chance if his new swing holds up in his 30's to be one of the more polarizing players in a while.

 

[calsnowskier]

Yeah Miggy was a lock at least 3 or 4 years ago. Albert Pujols too. But it's been kind of painful to watch those 2 limp to the finish line.

Miggy still has a WAR7 well into the 40s. And he has multiple 5+ WAR seasons outside his 7 best seasons. He is a lock.

 

[Cedrique]

Miggy still has a WAR7 well into the 40s. And he has multiple 5+ WAR seasons outside his 7 best seasons. He is a lock.

Yeah maybe I worded that wrong. I meant that he could have retired a few years ago and been a lock to go in. He's still a lock now, but we just had to watch a few years of mediocrity. But if you've accomplished all that Cabrera and Pujols did you really can't play your way out of the hall of fame.

 

[jwolt92]

The case for Salvador Perez is weak at best. Brian McCann, Russel Martin, and Victor Martinez all have higher WAR7 and it's not particularly close. If he sustains for another 5 years he has a case. His defense has been atrocious his entire career.

 

[calsnowskier]

Yeah maybe I worded that wrong. I meant that he could have retired a few years ago and been a lock to go in. He's still a lock now, but we just had to watch a few years of mediocrity. But if you've accomplished all that Cabrera and Pujols did you really can't play your way out of the hall of fame.

I wasn’t trying to to say anything you said was wrong. I was actually just supporting your comment with evidence.

 

[navamind]

The case for Salvador Perez is weak at best. Brian McCann, Russel Martin, and Victor Martinez all have higher WAR7 and it's not particularly close. If he sustains for another 5 years he has a case. His defense has been atrocious his entire career.

His batting stats also don't compare very well to the majority of HOF catchers and other HOVG catchers. He's hit very well since the pandemic started, but we're still talking about a guy with a 104 OPS+.

Jaffe talks about Perez's changes and HOF chances here.

Salvador Perez is Crushing Baseballs Like Never Before

In which Tommy John surgery apparently turned Salvador Perez into Mike Piazza 2.0.

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[jwolt92]

His batting stats also don't compare very well to the majority of HOF catchers and other HOVG catchers. He's hit very well since the pandemic started, but we're still talking about a guy with a 104 OPS+.

Jaffe talks about Perez's changes and HOF chances here.

Salvador Perez is Crushing Baseballs Like Never Before

In which Tommy John surgery apparently turned Salvador Perez into Mike Piazza 2.0.

blogs.fangraphs.com

Good read.

Amazing that Russell Martin is never talked about as making the HOF by anyone, but Yadi is almost guaranteed in. Martin is barely behind him in most numbers and has very good defensive numbers as well.

 

[Cedrique]

Good read.

Amazing that Russell Martin is never talked about as making the HOF by anyone, but Yadi is almost guaranteed in. Martin is barely behind him in most numbers and has very good defensive numbers as well.

The numbers are close in a lot of categories but it is notable that Martin has zero cool neck tattoos.